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ParticipantJune 4, 2004 at 11:05 am in reply to: All aboard the Luas, at last Tickets, please: the low-down on Luas #742983kefu
ParticipantI think people still believe it’s not actually finished.
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ParticipantVinnyFitz, I know exactly how the system is supposed to work.
It’s how the system actually works that is my concern.
None of the An Taisce defenders have yet responded to how they can cut and paste objections (with wrong street names) and still retain any credibility whatsoever.kefu
ParticipantSo Devin, how do you explain the fact that An Taisce’s appeal included the wrong street names etc. It’s indefensible.
An Taisce is not there to stop any new development in Dublin.
After all, every new development in Dublin either overlooks, shares a streetscape – or whatever other bullsh** An T usually claims – with some historic building. It is after all a Georgian city.
An Bord Pleanala would hardly have rejected this on the basis of complaints from two residents whose garden was being slightly overlooked.
It was An Taisce’s inaccurate cut and paste appeal that killed the project.kefu
ParticipantI agree with you AlanD on your general point.
When it comes to signature architects, you only have to look at Calatrava’s Blackhall Place Bridge to see how forgettable these things can be.
When you see what he’s done in Valencia, Lyon and with the Athens Olympic Stadium – you just know the Dublin bridge (Even though I do like it) would never even feature in a retrospective of his best work.
Is it better to have a bog-standard Calatrava than a great Ian Ritchie work (The Spire) or an Irish architect’s masterpiece?kefu
ParticipantWell Graham, I think I’ve changed my mind.
I only saw the image in the Irish Times today and wasn’t overly impressed.
But that night-time picture you’ve posted now puts a whole new gloss on it.
I often find myself standing at this spot waiting for people outside Wagamama and find the Eircom building so dull and so depressing.
I know I’ve said this a million times before but who exactly are An Taisce trying to represent.kefu
ParticipantWhich projects are you referring to AlanD.
I don’t suppose you mean Norman Foster’s Armadillo – I think it’s superb, especially on the motorway in from the ferry.kefu
ParticipantPS:- Where are ye getting all these pictures of it. Are they the ones that were in the paper today or are there some online?
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ParticipantI’m not overly impressed with the building that was planned.
But how can J Seerski/An Taisce possibly think of this as a victory when the developer says that he’s considering leaving this building as is?
The existing building is one of Dublin’s worst, totally devoid of any value – a vacant lot would nearly be better.
This is depressing and you have to ask who An Taisce think they’re representing.
Also, anybody know how long the Chatham Court apartments – where these poor put-upon residents live – have been around? Is it an old complex?kefu
ParticipantBallroom sign should be restored and left as the equivalent of a modern art installation.
It has genuine history for several generations of Irish people and I don’t think it would detract at all from an extended Hugh Lane.kefu
ParticipantI don’t think it’s about religion. It’s about the fact that it’s a tacky, badly kept, glass-encased, cheap “non-monument” that looks like it was left over from a sale at a £1 shop.
It just about sums up the shoddiness of the North end of O’Connell Street.
Were the wealthy taxi-drivers to pool together and erect an actual “monument”, be it Marian or a crucifix or whatever in its stead, I don’t think anybody would object.
Plus, the reason nobody wants to remove the Papal Cross, Wellington Monument etc is because they are worthwhile, are “monumental”.
This reminds me of the bid to save the Easter Rising house on Moore Street. Despite the campaign, it’s still a shack and the upstairs windows are still boarded up. All that’s visible is that tiny plaque.
History should not be used as an excuse for mediocrity, especially not on O’Connell Street, which is now one-third a spectacular street again.
If we worked on this basis of preserve everything, we would still have those god-awful London plane trees (witnesses to what happened to the GPO – give me a break) at the middle of O’Connell Street instead of what we now have. Something that you can actually be proud of.kefu
ParticipantI think people aren’t discussing it because it’s so implausible.
There’s not one good reason for this apart perhaps from an infrastructure deficit, which could be easily addressed by the money it would cost to build a new capital.
I think Dublin would go into serious decline with an abundance of historical building stock probably allowed go to rack and ruin.kefu
ParticipantI think the doors were sealed and I vaguely recall the basement of having lead in the lining of walls, roof etc. Could be wrong.
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ParticipantIt’s not a bomb shelter but it was an area for emergency sittings of the Cabinet.
I think it was put in place at the height of the Cold War and equipped with gas masks, iodine etc.
It’s underneath one of the large buildings in the army barracks but is decommissioned now.
Was in it one time – was like stepping on to the set of Dr Strangelove.
It had large maps of Ireland on the walls, rotary phones, weather equipment and paperwork for noting radiation levels etc.
Fascinating but presumably utterly useless had anyway tried to actually bomb it.kefu
ParticipantAbsolutely amazes me that the Catholic Church aren’t still interested in building a city centre cathedral.
Pro-Cathedral doesn’t count.kefu
ParticipantWhat have the completion of the Taney Bridge and the Macken Street Bridge got to with each other any way?
One was built by the RPA, one is being built by Dublin City Council.
More relevant point would have been why not build Macken St Bridge before Blackhall Place (James Joyce) Bridge.
Can’t understand your logic here Diaspora – a €9 million spend for an architectural triumph of a bridge that can be seen for miles around is a lot better than a €6 million spend on some concrete span bridge.kefu
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ParticipantNo that’s exactly it Phil. The river would only be tidal as far as the weir, meaning you could put leisure/tourism/passenger boats on the Liffey if you wanted with no worry about them getting banked.
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ParticipantIt’s not in the Phoenix Park per se, which is exempt from any development.
If you know the area. This is a site – I’m almost certain – on the left-hand side of White’s Gate Road (between Castleknock and Chapelizod) as you run up to the park from Castleknock College.
I think it might be farmland at the moment but it’s certainly not open to the public.
Have to say I’m completely amazed by this. By the same token, I wouldn’t mind a house there.kefu
ParticipantAnd there’s a new building called Bridgewater Walk up on Summerhill, which aside from being quite nice, is named similarly to Bridgewater Quay. Very Anglo.
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