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ParticipantAs regards the architectural merits or otherwise of the pier extension and new terminal, I have a feeling we’ll be very disappointed.
Mary Harney on Pat Kenny this morning said she did not want a “Taj Mahal” or an “over-spec” extension/terminal. If she said it once – she said it a hundred times.
One of the first things out the window will be the design elements.
And considering the atrocious standard of buildings at Dublin Airport (the original terminal the glorious exception) – there’s not likely to be any improvement with the DAA left in charge.
As regards your actual point, not sure if you’re on the right forum at all.
But I don’t think dithering is confined to just FF/PD. It’s a fact of life with our style of government where the supposedly national representatives are beholden to the local interests of individual constituents/parishes.kefu
ParticipantThe insurance issue is only an issue because the skaters themselves are suing after they fall.
So before we immediately blame the insurance industry, if the skaters signed a waiver (of if indeed waivers had any legal standing) – that wouldn’t necessarily be an issue.
After all, if you’re involved in any physical activity, particularly one like skateboarding where you will fall and regularly, you can’t say you didn’t know the dangers.kefu
ParticipantThe development’s webpage is at:-
http://www.smithfield-market.comkefu
ParticipantHere’s Kevin Myers utterly moronic contribution to the debate. From the man who called the Carrickmines campaign “a diseased exercise in ancestor-worship”. Preserve our heritage … but only the bits Mr Myers like.
The Dún Laoghaire seafront is one of the best-loved features of the entire island of Ireland, and for many reasons, says Kevin Myers
Its setting has been carved by nature, with the Wicklow hills behind it, before it St George’s Channel, and beyond that, and visible on good days, the mountains of Wales, cousins to the Wicklow hills to which they were once joined.
But it was the hand of 19th century man which really made Dún Laoghaire what it is, with the railway line from the centre of Dublin, and the creation of the port by the great Scots engineer John Rennie: and perhaps it is in his honour that the adjoining Scotsman’s Bay is so named. With the arrival of the ferries and the rail connection with Dublin, an elegant Regency and Victorian waterfront was built, with a brace of mile-long piers stretching out into the bay.
Two churches were built to grace the town’s skyline, and from one of them the Angelus bell used to sound each evening to welcome returning ship-borne emigrants and visitors. The ferries no longer arrive shortly after six as once they did, and only those who have slid across the bay in the evening light and heard the bells tolling across the shimmering waters can know the bewitching melancholy they aroused in the hearts of those coming home to Ireland upon the brimming tide.
Dún Laoghaire is one of the most beautiful places in Ireland. It is beautiful to see from the sea and beautiful to see from the shore, and at times it can rival the Bay of Naples or Capri in its enchantment. So it is quite simply past all belief that Dún Laoghaire Council plans to dump a 5.5 acre apartment complex on land which for the most part – some four acres – is to be claimed from the sea in Scotsman’s Bay. And in contrast to the modest, two and three storey roofline which characterises most of the waterfront, the complex will, with a glass tower, reach 10 storeys high.
Moreover, it will not be set back from the sea, but will be an intrusion into it: where there are now waters, there will be an apartment block rising like Croke Park, adjoining the spit of land where the derelict baths now are. Indeed, it has been a desire to make something of the old baths which became the starting point for the entire wretched project.
But if it was simply a desire to put the baths to some fresh and profitable use, why not open a shopping mall, or a heliport, or an office block, or put the Bertie Bowl there? Why not place the national incinerator in Scotsman’s Bay, or perhaps our first nuclear power station? If a disregard for the waterfront is to be a defining feature of any development of the old baths, why halt at half measures? Why not let Michael O’Leary build his own transatlantic air terminal there? On the other hand, there could of course be some modest, low-cost development of the baths: they could be turned into a maritime park, which would be appropriate to the scale and the nature of the town. For Dún Laoghaire is primarily a residential suburb, which has no separate existence independent of the metropolis. It is not an industrial city like Bilbao, which was visited by a delegation of Dún Laoghaire councillors, and which apparently has become the inspiration for the Scotsman’s Bay project.
This is rather like councillors from Belmullet visiting Venice for a few tips on how to build a Lido, or representatives from Birr travelling to Florence to plan the future of their town. But we do not live in such a world. Apples are not the role models for turnips: oranges do not aspire to be teapots; Dún Laoghaire wastes its time, and squanders its seafront jewels, attempting to emulate Bilbao.
To be sure, turning the old baths into a park will not net the council as much money as the 180 view-blocking apartments, which will probably sell for about €1 million each. But then, keeping the Book of Kells does not earn Trinity College Dublin as much money as it would get from selling it: we could dispatch the President to Blanchardstown and sell the Ãras to a Texan, thereby turning a tidy penny. Moreover, Merrion Square is a terrible waste of precious city-centre space: why not knock down those unproductive Georgian buildings, and give planning permission for 40-storey offices and flats complexes, alongside the even taller Leinster Towers, where the old Dáil used to sit in that ghastly old Leinster House?
There is a bespoke and accusatory sneer for those who want to protect what already exists, and who wish that developers would leave well enough alone. It is that they are reactionaries who are opposed to change. So be it. For was the founder of architectural conservationism, John Betjeman, not so abused when he campaigned to save the famous St Pancras Arch? Were not the opponents of the Dublin Corporation scheme to turn the Grand and Royal Canals into motorways similarly traduced? Are defenders of the modest and the quaint against the garish and the new not invariably so ridiculed? The truth is that Dún Laoghaire is not some exotic Iberian city set on a Mediterranean shore, but a largely British seafront town set on the Irish Sea. If the Dún Laoghaire flats-complex project goes ahead, and Scotsman’s Bay becomes Scotsman’s Plaza, then the curse of both John Rennie, and of future generations, will pursue the perpetrators down the years to come.kefu
ParticipantPhil, You could definitely reclaim one of the traffic lanes but both would present a whole range of new difficulties.
At the moment, it would be sending trucks around the back of the Customs House near the Luas intersection and back around past the IFSC.
The bridge’s right-turning traffic would have to turn much earlier, and use O’Connell Bridge instead.
However, when the Port Tunnel is completed – it would certainly become more feasible.kefu
ParticipantGraham,
I’ve never thought of the Matt Talbot as great – was that meant as ironic or do you think it has redeeming features?
It’s certainly not as offensive as the usually concrete bridges of that era you find in many English cities. And it has a nice curve and sweep to it, but little else.
A photo of it just in case anyone forgets:
http://www.fantasyjackpalance.com/fjp/photos/city/c002/liberty-hall-066.jpgkefu
ParticipantThe only boats that would come through are the tall ships that go up towards the Customs House.
How often is that? Once a year at most.
Valid criticisms aside, it’s worth reserving judgement on the bridge until you see it in the flesh.
The pictures are not doing it any favours.kefu
ParticipantThere’s a pic of the Bread Company building in this thread
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3156&highlight=dublin+bread+companykefu
ParticipantRather than start a new thread, I’ll throw this in here.
I was wondering does anyone know why scaffolding has been put up on City Hall.
It was up last Thursday when I passed it. Considering its beautiful restoration wasn’t that long ago, it seems a little strange.kefu
ParticipantI suppose the most logical way would be to have the end of the sections cut as below and swinging naturally together:
_ ___ ___
/ /__/ /__/ /I think that would work. Didn’t look close enough to see what they had actually done.
Would seem a bit long-winded to have to reattach a number of sections every time you opened the bridge.
Although, the necessity for opening it is so infrequent that this may well be the case.kefu
ParticipantThe bridge is now in situ. Looks impressive, one half is pivoted sideways and the other is lined up with the quay wall. Those boat lane markers we were talking about earlier sink right down and when the bridge is fully closed, they won’t be that visible at all.
The lighting scheme is going to be important and the bridge should come into its own when its dark.
Also, it doesn’t make much of an impact from a distance if you’re driving. It’s hard to see from the North Quays because the DDDA shed is there. The Matt Talbot bridge obscures it on the Custom House Quay approach. You can’t really see it from the East Link bridge either.May 3, 2005 at 3:18 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753070kefu
ParticipantCouldn’t agree more with the earlier points made about Galway? In ten year’s time – it will be a model for how not to develop a city.
We all know Dublin is bad for planning but Galway is making the very same mistakes and magnifying them five-fold.
The new ring road is being built with out-of-town shopping centres as its first priority rather than funnelling traffic away from the city centre.
‘Galway is Ireland’s … largest sprawling retail warehousing park’ – a perfect description.kefu
ParticipantIt says on that website that they used replica antique glass in Castletown House
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ParticipantCan anyone explain why some of Graham’s pictures won’t load up?
I’m on a super-fast connection on work so it’s not a band-width issue.
When I’m at home on broadband, they come up no problem.
Is there something I need to change in settings?kefu
ParticipantI agree. But a far more pertinent issue regarding the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road is the very limited 50,000 seat capacity. It means there will be continual pressure on the GAA to open up Croke Park in non-exceptional circumstances – that is, the biennial rugby matches against France or England and the less frequent MAJOR soccer internationals. I know it’s an old point, but when the corporate boxes and other long-term seat sales are taken out of the equation, there will be even fewer tickets available to the general public for matches.
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ParticipantMost of the good will towards athletics in Ireland has died off because of doping and the lack of serious Irish competitors.
It’s a disgrace the way track and field facilities (for example Belfield) have been let go to rack and ruin.
But there just isn’t any good reason to put in place a track at Lansdowne Road.
Neither the FAI or IRFU would agree to it … and the chances of a big Euro/World athletics event getting a full house here is non-existent. Santry is more than adequate for the national championships at the moment.
A lot of the National Stadiums were built with athletics tracks because they were built for the purposes of holding the Olympics, ie Rome, Barca, Berlin.
Stade de France was built that way with a Parisian Olympic bid in mind. A similar situation has arisen in London with Wembley and their Olympic bid. But the extra cost is enormous.
Only Gay Mitchell thinks the Olympics will ever come to Dublin.kefu
ParticipantI’ve blown out two tyres in recent months driving over potholes around town. The standard of road surface is unbelievable.
It’s no wonder there are so many jeeps on the road. And no wonder Advance Pitstop and the like have so many shops around town.kefu
ParticipantWell done Graham.
Contacting Dublin City Council is the way to get things done.
They are a very proactive organisation when they get a nudge.kefu
ParticipantCoincidental the way this thread has popped up again. This is a tender ad that went out today – wonder what it’s for:-
Title: Dublin Liffey Services Tunnel. Awarding Authority: Dublin City Council. Notice Type: Tenders
Abstract: This contract involves the construction of a 2.5 metre internal diameter tunnel under the Liffey Estuary adjacent to the Eastlink Bridge in Dublin City for a distance of approximately 240M. Construction of 20 metre deep approximately, 5.5 metre internal diameter shaft. Strengthening existing 20 metre deep approximately, 9 metre internal diameter shaft. Various ancillary works including small above ground structures and permanent reinstatement of all surfaces. Protection of existing services crossing site, including a high pressure gas main. Diversion of specific services where required. The contract also includes for the construction of two large concrete services ducts from the tunnel shafts to the adjacent public roadways.kefu
ParticipantHere’s another very good picture of it
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/other/abl/etext/irish/pictures/p235.html- AuthorPosts
