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- May 16, 2008 at 4:46 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #754951
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ParticipantThose are impressive and informative pictures, but they appear to show almost grotesque levels of overdevelopment, with old Georgian terraces and warehouses crowded out and overshadowed by testosterone-laden commercial blocks (not necessarily bad in themselves). Progress?
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ParticipantGuys: this whole thread is a lot of babble without any illustrations of what you’re all rabitting on about. Few of us have the pleasure of living in the People’s Republic of Cork, but if you could all stop the mutual bloodletting and explain a bit more, it would help!
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ParticipantThe first two images have to be in the atrium of the OPW in St Stephen’s Green.
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ParticipantGraham H: good puzzle, even I should have got that (isn’t hindsight wonderful?). Yes, I hate the kindergarten kolours, but what would you do? I think the green and grey/blue work reasonably well, but the red and yellow are vomitose; if these buildings were faced (in what and how?), the green and blue could remain as a contrast and look quite decent. Would a render with window opes defined in stone do? Or some kind of minimalist granite or limestone cladding?
It’s a nice dilemma, along with what to do with the Revenue site when that miscegenation is eventually demolished.johnglas
ParticipantYes, but what does the Spire do?
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ParticipantIf you ask me, it’s a good excuse to do what they should have done in the first place: move the O’Connell statue to where the Nelson Pillar was, to give the street a literal and symbolic focus. And please,sir, can we have Anna Livia back?
The Spire? I can think of a few places to put that.johnglas
ParticipantAgain, not to flog the topic to death, but GU (founded 1451) was located in the 17th, 18th and most of the 19th C in the High Street right in the heart of the old town. However, Victorian snobbery and prudery wanted to remove the students away from the vice and smells of the city and fly to a more salubrious west-end suburb (as it was then). The railway company also made them an offer they couldn’t refuse (another Victorian trait). The new site was on top of a drumlin (good Irish word), much of which was too steep to build on (even in Glasgow), hence the grassy areas; it’s also contiguous to a major public park (Kelvingrove, hence Lord Kelvin),which reinforces the green aspect.
If you really want to see how not to do a municipal square, look at George Square here; an elegant if dull late-Georgian square trashed with cheap red tarmac in the interests of commercialism.johnglas
ParticipantIf you want contemporary, why not a design competition/consortium approach as in Group 91 and Temple Bar?
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ParticipantAh, yes, but gunter’s point is the Brit obsession with mown grass (it’s because we can’t get rid of the toff cringe, don’t ye know). Mown grass and municipal planting are the sine qua non of public open space in GB.
Get rid of the grass and get in some decent paving/gravel; forget the American examples – WASPs are even more Brit than the Brits themselves. Look at the continent – gravel’s the boy.May 6, 2008 at 8:03 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771544johnglas
ParticipantPrax: no finger-wagging, at all, at all! The Seven Dwarves did not ocur to me, but Walt Disney certainly did…!
May 5, 2008 at 11:13 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771541johnglas
Participantake:when are the kitsch police going to raid this church? The colour scheme I could live with (it will be repainted at some point and it is ‘tasteful’). The ‘Lourdes grotto’ should be torched by some iconoclast bent on doing everyone a favour.(NB I do not mean this to be taken literally.) I have often wondered just what religious message these grottos are meant to convey (as opposed to the very clear message the obscured altar conveys). Like you, one can only despair at the liturgical illiteracy, not to mention the artistic affront. Are the parishioners at Carrick so supine?
Very good pictures: keep them coming.May 5, 2008 at 10:58 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771536johnglas
ParticipantPrax: judging by their portfolio, Cornerstone have done some prestigious work. Not being on the ground, it’s hard to judge: do you think they’re up to the scale of what is needed at Cobh cathedral?
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ParticipantShouldn’t the effusive language about ‘… a sophisticated ‘mix’,etc.’ give us all pause for thought, not to mention the up-to-date reference about congestion and carparking? A generation later this ‘sophisticated’ development is just another piece of urban tat. Whatever about the architectural purity of Gilbey’s it did have presence and impact and what replaced it certainly was not an advance.
It’s a fallacy to think that ‘contemporary’ equals ‘modern’ or that either equals ‘progress’ or ‘improvement’. Think carefully before you demolish, especially in this location.johnglas
ParticipantIt’s not a case of people ‘whinging’; it’s a case of a development that’s largely inappropriate. So far as the Carlton and what might have survived of the interior is concerned, beware the ‘insurance fire’ or the ‘accidental’ missed swing of the wrecker’s ball; where developers are concerned, take nothing on trust.
It surprises me that what is left of Art Deco cinema architecture is not more highly prized and that it is beyond the wit of the developer and his architects to come up with an alternative use of the buiding in situ.
Also, looking at the existing pattern of lanes in this area, it seems to me that they should form the basis of any new streets, or is that beyond the ingenuity of the developer and his architects as well?johnglas
ParticipantIt’s not looking good, is it? When the SECC (Scottish Exhibition and Conference Centre) was built here in the late 70s, it was clad in some pedestrian metal cladding and painted salmon pink! It is now battleship grey and doesn’t look any better.
Has anyone seen any illustrations of what the interior will look like? Presumably they’re spending their money there.johnglas
Participantlostexpectation: I’m lost!
April 28, 2008 at 9:41 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771509johnglas
ParticipantIt’s interesting that, although the reredos is beautiful and well-mannered, it looks so Victorian compared to its immediate surroundings; there seems also to be a quandary about what to do with the furniture. The three (Jacobean?) chairs look really out of place place behind the altar and the chairs on either side look completely superfluous. The altar frontal, though beautiful as well, looks literally tacked on.
On my one visit to St Mary’s it was in the throes of a ‘reordering’ which seemed especially brutal and disorientating. Has that now all settled down? Where have the superb medieval choir-stalls with misericords ended up?April 27, 2008 at 10:53 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771502johnglas
ParticipantAnd a churchyard that has some presence rather than being a tarmac carpark; the PP can’t last.
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Participantgunter: I’ve lost where you did the original post, but re the SAS Radisson hotel in Argyle St, it was designed by Gordon Murray and Alan Dunlop and there was a discussion about it (and a contribution by AD himself) on the thread: ‘What is “good architecture”?’ on 19 Mar 2003.
I have to fess up and say that I’m now seeing it as part of the streetscape; I don’t like it, but life’s too short and it’s there. And it’s not sandstone. (PS The Ta Paell-ya ‘Spanish’ restaurant in the hotel does brilliant tapas.)johnglas
ParticipantA long extract from your gospel, GrahamH, but your Word is true nevertheless.
Q: why couldn’t a version of your analysis been conducted between the planners and the developers before this hit the streets and their being quietly told to go away and redesign?
A: the planners are secretly in favour of this.Discuss.
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