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@Maskhadov wrote:
I think all the development to date is incredibly bland and could have done with another 3 or 4 floors when you consider the width of the liffey. Although there are one or two exceptions to this rule.
By the way.. what is going between Spencer dock and the point ? it looks all pretty low rise from what I can see.
Ground-scrapers. You are spot on – the width of the Liffey would allow for many more floors. This is where the DBM 50-odd storey schemes should be – and NOT in the historic core:mad: !
OMG We’re in danger of achieving consensus on this one…PDLL + TP are agreeing on 1-offs, love and peace is breaking out on archiseek; whatever next? 😮
PDLL, I agree with you fully. Incentivise the right kind of development, as opposed to just bitching about the wrong kind and those involved. Imo that includes the full western corridor – and I believe that by doing so, it would have a benefecial effect of increasing traffic throughout the rail system, not just the WRC; it is a shame that this has never been calculated:( . All in all, if it was up to me I would continue the WRC up past Sligo, as a BMW project, linking it in to the Derry railhead!:D
@Thomond Park wrote:
Heres how the idea came about for the WRC
Ah TP, ’tis not the case – the WRC campaign has been on the go for 20+ years; I am quite sure that the intelligent authors *cough, cough* of that release would acknowledge that. 3 years ago An Taisce rightfully presented Fr Micheál MacGréil with award acknowledging his work. That said, it was a shame that the schedule presentedd in that release did not become a topic of debate in the media; James Nix, co-author of Chaos at Xrds, did some good work in calculating those figures.
Great cycling facilities down there, judging by Devins last photo…I am hoping that DDDA are about to mark out that new path – or the cycle festival being held down there this weekend really would be a joke 😮
@kite wrote:
And in How to dismantle an atomic bombs all because of you..”some people got high-rises on their backs”……Sorry for the rant, im just a fan of U2
Yeah I noticed that too – I wondered whether it was a side reference to any crits on their tower at the docks. 🙂
@asdasd wrote:
I think we could differentiate between once-off housing in scenic areas, and once-off housing elsewhere ( i.e. the midlands). We would all want t protect the scenic area os ireland, preferably as national parks. I think the monotony of the midlands is broken by once-offs, in fact.
If they should be charged more for the resources they consume, so be it ( that has in someways been the case anyway – water charges, higher phone bills etc.)
Ah but theyre not – town dwellers end up effectively subsidising such dwellers through the allocation of spending at Govt level, such as school bus runs, public transport etc to such dwellings. The cheaper initial capital outlay to the one-off builder is a discount that is carried by society as a whole. I am not against all one-offs all of the time but the current free-for-all climate is a disaster.
It is particularly regrettable that it is the scenic areas along the west coast that are the worst affected, but at the same time the one-offs that are being built at present in the midlands should not be encouraged given all the issues regarding sustainability.
@asdasd wrote:
I doubt thesestatistics, I am afraid. There is no way we get 3.5 people to a house, and so it is unlikely that 13% of the population is in one offs. If there were 3.5 people to a house, then the number of houses predicted to be built this year [90,000] would be enough to house 315,000 people more than last year: which is far ahead of demographic projections, even at the most extreme. The number of houses built over the last 5 years would be enough to house one million extra people, or thereabouts.
In fact it is almost impossible to see why demand is greater than supply countrywide unless there is substantial number of houses unoccupied – i.e as second houses not rented out.
Laws against this would reduce the price of housing, and reduce the number of one offs being built. Missing in Panda’s crazy screed is the fact that Irish people have generally historically lived in one-offs – i.e. cottages. If these older cottages, and bungalows, were not occupied for 2 weeks a year by the Dublin intelligentsia there would be little need for new once off housing as the original stock would become available.
Lastly, support for a GAA team is not “anti-patriotic”, and is no more tribal than local support for English or Italian soccer teams.
Agreed. However as to “Irish people have generally historically lived in one-offs – i.e. cottages”, I differ in that the coatline at places such as Donegal, Galway and Clare have only been really decimated in the last 20 years.It is equally correct that, historically speaking, dwellers of one-offs were employed by agriculture – which obviously is not the case now.
@StephenC wrote:
Is it the Hotel above Hogans on SGSt? Is “A” Broadstone Station
Re A, thats what I was thinking – Central Hotel on corner of Exchequer St – but Morlan says its not on SG St….Re B, I dont think its Broadstone as thats all Greek Revival, and this emblem is 2nd millenium classicism – what say the side of Heuston Station instead ? 😉
@jayluna wrote:
what does bono say about all this …. doesn’t he have an opinion on everything.
Lol…Whats the difference between God and Bono? God doesnt walk around heaven thinking he’s Bono 😀
@Cute Panda wrote:
Ireland has long been divided into separate little states by the GAA…Modern Ireland is based on GAA country team colours and this determines every aspect of Irish social, economic, poltical and cultural life. Right down to housing patterns…Thanks to the GAA county colours mentality Ireland is simply not a nation in any real sense.
Rofl. In fairness CP this is full of some wild assertions. There are a great many people who would strongly contradict this, arguing that the creation GAA in 1884 was central to fostering a sense of national identity that led to the 1916 Rising, War of Independence, etc. (jayluna, for more see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_League ). While the demographic profile of GAA members may be that shared by some Fianna Fail /Fine Gael members, thats a different matter.
Closer to the point of sub-division into little kingdoms is local government (and coincidentally GAA) being based on a county system that dates from Elizibeth I, and was probably exaserbated by the 1921 partition/ Govt of Ireland Act 1920. That said, Im always amused by calls for a “32 county republic” – ie something based on a dead english queen’s definitions 😀
As to the seperation of strands of society being sports related, it is arguably more the case that the real divider is different sports being played by different socio-economic groups – ie rugby played by affluent Dublin 4 kids, GAA played by inner city/ country kids etc. In the northern end of the island this becomes a lot more ugly when it splits along sectarian lines – and compounded by schools sorted according to religion.
Regarding the western rail corridor debate, jay may wish to check out http://www.westontrack.com/ and http://www.platform11.org/campaigns/wrc/ for both sides of this debate. Imo its a shame that pro-rail groups could not find common cause at a time when central government spends 4 times more on roads than on public transport.
And therein lies the real root of the problem – Dublin government policies that at a strategic level are pro low density. Germany has 40 times the population, yet only 2.5 times the amount of roads by kilometre. However coupled with the M3 and Waterford motorways, the NDP is delivering radial motorway routes, which is a remarkably daft way of allocating of resources. Truth is, that in itself speaks volumes of the government mindset – one that until now has ignored that 87% of our energy is imported. And the same one that has delivered a National spatial strategy that bears no corralation to either the NDP transport corridors, nor that to towns selected for decentralisation. All of this is the direct fault of current central government, (not the GAA:p ).
So into this vacuum of both stategy and planning, while an unprecedented propert boom occurs at a time that argiculture is dying, the one-off housing issue crops up and is vote winner in the countryside… sure what mattter? Think of the mindset; is there any real suprise? Even when the results are blatently unsustainable and a visual massacre of our landscapes?… All in all national embarrassment really. Welcome to Ireland jayluna. 🙁 😮 🙁
@Bob Dole wrote:
Both aesthetics and unsustainability. But unsustainability is a much more significant problem.
They tend to look like these:
http://www1.myhome.ie/search/property.asp?id=279467&np=&rt=search&searchlist=
http://www1.myhome.ie/search/property.asp?id=271272&np=&rt=search&searchlist=
http://www1.myhome.ie/search/property.asp?id=271849&np=&rt=search&searchlist=
Aesthetics? Bob how could you say that, you asthete! Afterall apparently A is “elegantly proportioned”,
B is “SUBSTANCIAL”, and C is both “Executive style” and “Finished to the highest of standards”!Rofl 😀
Rofl 😀 ; Thats a stoic looking seagull, but what has that got to do with arch? That said, I think Seamus is on the right track –
@Seamus O’G wrote:
I think E is the very low railway bridge on Grand Canal Quay. Just beside that nice glass ESAT building.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Might as well do these three then, but that’s it..
Cant be it, is it? Tis too much fun 🙁
It’s time to stop buying the line
By that dullard, Brendan O’ Connor, *yawn* –
SO, would you buy a used airline, a bit used (and abused) and slightly past its prime, from this lot? Of course we will. And they know we will. They know we’ll buy anything really. They know we might huff and puff a bit about things but eventually we’ll shut up and cough up. This is how much they know we’ll buy any old crap: they actually tried to sell us electronic voting again during the week.
Never mind that they tried to sell it to us once already and we pretty much bought it once already, until it became really clear just how crap it was. Never mind that we were all furious at being sold a pup. They have so little regard for our skills when it comes to caveat emptor that they actually tried to flog it to us again last week.
But we’ve no one to blame except ourselves. We keep buying Dunphy too, for example. When Dunphy announced during the week that he’s too tired for the commercial sector and that he’ll be retiring into the public sector to do an hour a week on Radio 1, they expected us to celebrate how we will now be contributing to his already sizeable income.
That’s how stupid they think we are. And they’re right. Because we’re buying it again.
And what about Fintan O’Toole. We continually buy whatever he’s peddling. Because he’s so well read and thoughtful. So when his own paper appears to turn on him by publishing An Taisce’s mildly angry comments about a gigantic new extension he’s building, to quadruple the size of a little cottage in the Burren, we buy that. And even when the apology comes the next day because of the publication of An Taisce’s comments, we buy that too. And when An Taisce says that it will not be objecting to what it previously thought was “criminal”, we buy that too.
So Fintan can now build a multiplex cinema in the middle of the Burren if he wants as far as An Taisce is concerned. And we buy that Fintan was a victim. Not that he would build a multiplex cinema. This is Fintan, so it’d be more like a little arthouse place, showing Three Colours Blue, preceded by an Iranian short.
Of course, our gullibility is grand most of the time, but sometimes it gets us in trouble. Because down the years we’ve bought a whole load of crap from Sinn Fein/IRA. Even though we all know they’re lying most of the time, we still buy their wares, out of embarrassment and a sense of obligation and because they convince people it’s all in a good cause.
Remember we nearly bought their line on Jean McConville. Remember we nearly bought an agreement that had no mention of Sinn Fein/IRA ending criminality. In fact, it was big bad Michael McDowell who looked at the fine print for us that time. Almost makes you hope he’s around the next time we’re buying anything from Gerry and his merry band of murderers.
So, a slightly used airline? That shouldn’t be a problem. You can count me in.
An Taisce apologises to journalist for ‘crime’ label
From:The Irish Independent
Friday, 7th July, 2006AN TAISCE “unreservedly apologised” to journalist Fintan O’Toole last night for labelling his plan to more than quadruple the size of his second home as “criminal”.
And the organisation confirmed that it was withdrawing its controversial objection to the planned extension of the O’Toole holiday home, which is located just south of Ballyvaughan in the Burren, Co Clare.
The climbdown by An Taisce followed the sustained attack on the organisation in the Seanad on Wednesday over the language used in the objection.
The leader of the Seanad, Senator Mary O’Rourke (FF), commented that “if it had four feet, An Taisce would have shot itself in them”, while Senator Labhras O Murchu (FF) said that the preposterous language used in the objection shows a darker side to An Taisce.
The Clare Association of An Taisce formally objected to the Irish Times journalist’s plan.
It said it was “not in keeping with the landscape and could be likened to an infection on the west coast road, is unacceptable and criminal”.
Confirming that An Taisce wished to unreservedly apologise to Mr O’Toole, its director Gavin Harte said the submission made by the local Clare Association of An Taisce was “without the knowledge and approval of head office.
“An Taisce would agree with Mr O’Toole when he kindly suggested that the language used in this submission was wildly disproportionate. For this reason, An Taisce has instructed the Clare association to withdraw their submission.”
Mr Harte said that submissions from local associations of An Taisce “sometimes reflect a more emotional expression of planning matters as they are felt locally”.
An Taisce, he added, “would again like to apologise to Mr O’Toole for any difficulty we may have caused”.
Mr O’Toole said the inflated language used in the objection “allows the enemies of good planning to dismiss An Taisce’s legitimate concerns”.
Sen Brendan Daly (FF) told the Seanad on Wednesday: “An Taisce is showing the same face to Mr O’Toole that it has shown to all ordinary decent people in north Clare.”
Gordon Deegan
@hutton wrote:
Mr Harte said that submissions from local associations of An Taisce “sometimes reflect a more emotional expression of planning matters as they are felt locally”.
Mr O’Toole said the inflated language used in the objection “allows the enemies of good planning to dismiss An Taisce’s legitimate concerns”.
Seems like love and peace has broken out + that common sense is prevailing alll around 😉
@d_d_dallas wrote:
Is he involved on a project on Tara St?
Afaik he is – he gave a talk in UCD 7 years ago at which he raised the matter. Said that one of the benifits would be that it would block out views of Hawkins House:D . Sam – you got to hand it to him.
@Thomond Park wrote:
I don’t dispute that AT are unpopular in some rural areas but in many others their role is accepted and in areas where AT has actively assisted rural communities in bringing quarries or environmental rogues in relation to EPA breaches to book they are in fact greatly appreciated.
As they are anywhere where they manage a property such the Burren where the local popualation fought side by side with AT against the interpretive centre and overturned it working together against the type of professional consultancy that changes the odds.
Yeah, but in fairness TP the timing of this couldnt be worse for An T – right when they should be showing up the exclusive nature of Dick Rs Heritage Trust :rolleyes:
@ctesiphon wrote:
calling the proposal ‘criminal’ can’t be far short of libellous. Fortunately FOT seems to be handling this in a dignified manner.
Agreed. They is lucky 😉
@CTR wrote:
an infection on the west coast road and is unacceptable and criminal
😀 ..Rofl its so daft and ott, the only reaction is lol…almost.’Dems sneaky reds are invading’…and at FoT? Talk about gun and foot.
On a more serious note, does this show up the flaws of a necessary watchdog being volunteer-based?…
(…or was it just a ‘one-off’ incident? 😀 :o)
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
It would indeed and like said above, would still be in is original area.
What say championing it as an archeire campaign?
As a curiosity fact, if the temple was to be moved, it would be the 2nd protestant church facing onto Sean Mc D st to ‘disappear’ in less than 100 years.
St Thomas’s, built 17588-60 was built by John Smyth and modelled on Palladio’s Redentore in Venice. Pre-1922, it stood where Cathal Bugha St has been subsequently inserted, linking Sean Mac D and O’ Connell Sts. Frederick O”Dwyer gives it a page in his ‘Lost Dublin’,(p68).
