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And then once you *do* start debating, the previous posts suddenly change, shrink and disappear… very disconcerting.
Good god, it’s like trying to have a debate with a puddle. Your posts seem to shrink before finally evaporating. Don’t make me start quoting you in full; I’m not sure the server could take the load.
You shouldn’t feel you have to revise your opinions or assertions based on an evolving discussion.
I can accept that hyperbole has its place, but when it becomes the default mode it can pose a danger to the discourse as a whole. That was kind of my point – the practice of architecture operates under particular constraints regardless of whether you use 3d visualisation or grease pencil. A debate on the former presupposes a firm grasp of the latter.
Quantity Surveyors are a global phenomenon, although they more usually masquerade as ‘Cost Consultants’ over here. The net effect is the same.
Originally posted by garethace
I still think, you may not be as familiar with the scene here as you think – where exactly did you work in Ireland, kinds of projects, size of practice etc? Just perhaps to flesh out this debate and little bit more and give an idea where exactly you are ‘coming from’ in the argument.You forgot to ask how much money I was making. I am somewhat reluctant to post my cv online; my credentials shall therefore remain in question.
I do, however, stand by my initial contention.
Originally posted by garethace
So just bear in mind before jumping to any more conclusions, just how different the actual situation is here on the ground in Ireland today from yours over in Canada. Why do you think the Presidential candidates work so hard to adjust their speeches for each of the states they campaign in the elections?Not sure where you’re going with this. Last I checked Canada doesn’t have a president, with or without a capital P.
Here in Ireland, which is probably a much smaller place even than Iowa, or Wisconsin, or Kentucky, the Architectural technicians are doing more and more of the duties you described, in terms of contract administration etc, etc, that young architects are doing.
Thanks for reminding me of that. The fact that I’m Irish doesn’t necessarily mean I know how big the country is. How would it compare to Ontario, Manitoba or British Columbia? You know, the *Canadian* provinces?
Originally posted by garethace
So just bear in mind before jumping to any more conclusions, just how differen the actual situation is here on the ground in Ireland today.You wouldn’t have just jumped to a conclusion yourself now, would you?
I’ve worked on the ground in Ireland (as you put it) as recently as last November, and prior to that for two years from ’99 to 2001.
This unsubstantiated aggrandisement of junior architects still bugs me. The first four years out of college are spent learning exactly how much you *don’t* know. The sooner you accept that and get on with it the sooner you can take on the difficult (and often thankless) business of actually making architecture.
Originally posted by garethace
the whole system right now is really badly organised for the young entry level architects starting with no experience in practice. This has very telling results I find, as later on when those young architects mature, they are not as comfortable with the whole process of working in a design office [remainder of run-on snipped]Oh please. The ‘system’ is designed to administer building contracts. Graduate architects are going to be useless for at least a year where they are not an actual liability. If their feeling are so easily hurt there are other careers.
Originally posted by garethace
Click: Read my posts here about the pics which Paul put up.Do I *have* to?
1. I’m inherently mistrustful of renderings. They more often than not give all the wrong answers to all the wrong questions about a project. As far as I’m concerned, one of the most damning indictments of an architectural process is the statement ‘looks just like the renderings’. How often have you heard that one – quite often from the architects themselves – can they not see the corollary?
2. It’s a dead end within an office (who really *wants* to be the ‘viz guy’?) I didn’t spend five years busting my ass in college to blindly produce images of a design I have no input into (apart from the colour of the glass and the number of people lifted from ‘vogue’ I place in front of it).
3. It’s horrifically time consuming and expensive, either in house or sending it out to a bureau. I’d rather spend the fee on design hours.
4. Clients get hung up on them. Planners believe (and demand) them. Partners redmark them and think that counts as design input. Woeful.
Ban ’em, I say. There was a fashion a while back in architectural competitions to prohibit models, the thinking being a larger office would have more resources and thus an unfair advantage over the smaller. The same can be said for renderings.
Originally posted by garethace
It strikes me too, that Bauhaus and ‘God is in the details’, approach in architecture may not be the most flexible, even though the eventual package might look very spectacular.I think you might be on to something there. Be careful though, you may rock the modernist movement to its very core. Its CORE!
Originally posted by garethace
I was walking past the Hairy Lemon pub last night toward St. Stephens Green, when I passed out some nice looking hair saloonIt can’t have been going very fast then. That would be one of Pomme de Terre’s, but I think it styles itself a salon (no spitoons).
You can get nice all in one PC cases, such as these.
I happen to have a window on the side of my PC and it looks very pretty indeed – that’s what those round IDE and FDD cables are for.
Originally posted by pepe
This is not the place to openly criticise peoples workYes, it is. Look up the word criticism.
but if you really had some balls the RAIA and the DDDA would have been shut down by now.
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get onto the RAIA and demand an enquiry
No idea who the RAIA are supposed to be, but the RIAI had nothing to do with the competition. No Thing. Nothing.
and as far as criticism goes.
where are your wholefully significant designs?
how did you characterise the whole of intelligent irish culture?Wholefully ain’t a word. The role of the critic is not to produce the work.
The comments on acito’s entry may have been unsolicited, but such is the nature of public architectural discourse. Get over it.
Originally posted by garethace
I thought Busarus just plain sucked myself, until it was explained to me what a revolutionary new and exciting piece of Architecture it was for that particular time.So were you *wrong* about Busaras before, and *right* now? Presumably it still ‘sucks’ for the reasons you thought it sucked before, but now those reasons seem less important?
Originally posted by sw101
sam stephenson sucks.no discussion. department of agriculture. evil man
But what about the ESB Offices? Civic Offices? Hume St?
Oh, wait. Yeah.
But here’s the thing. I like the Central Bank. There, I said it.
I’ve always been fond of the Honan Chapel in UCC and had the privilege of doing some work on it a few years ago.
Another favourite is Scott’s pavilion church, but I can’t for the life of me remember where it is. I’m thinking Kerry, but couldn’t swear to it.
The Church of Christ the King at Turners Cross also deserves a mention. It’s a pretty impressive edifice, especially considering the era in which it was concieved.
de Blacam and Meaghers courtyard church (memory seriously failing again – Firhouse? Or was that a different one?) and chapel of reconciliation at Knock are both worth looking at.
For some reason Burt never did it for me, but I can accept it as a pretty singular piece of work.
Originally posted by GregF
I think the judges took less time to decide the winning entries for the replacement of the World Trade Centre.Once they had it down to the shortlist of five, yes. Kind of my point 🙂
Well, let’s not judge the judges too harshly, at least until we see which one they go for :).
This has been a very high profile competition – I know of at least two of the better Canadian firms who were considering entering, not sure if they went through with it. It’s quite possible they’ve got a large number of compelling schemes to assess.
