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@ctesiphon wrote:
Re: Marrowbone Lane . . . . I’m starting to believe we might be onto something.
ctesiphon, I was only half joking about the prevailing winds! I really don’t see the reverse image working. It would be a freakish day in Dublin that you’d get a kite to fly towards the south-west, would it not?
@ctesiphon wrote:
gunter- have you given up on the Benburb Hypothesis? If not, how would you explain the advanced kerb line?
The advanced kerb line is hard to explain, particularly since there’s no sign of basements, unless other houses in the terrace, out of view, had basement and front ‘areas’, or unless it was a very wide street or square, which I imagine is how Newmarket came to be suggested in the first place.
Because of the roof pitch and particularly the non-matching chimney, I think we have to give up on that the Benburb St./Hendrick Lane location, (even though there’s even a tiny old rooflight corresponding to the little dormer in the roof valley).
Anyway the shampoo shine on the kid’d hair suggests the southside rather than the northside 😉
Still can’t get any site on Marrowbone Lane to work, I think there are buildings on that Robert Street corner that don’t match!
I thought I had it earlier with this site on present day Benburb Street, with the H. Mathew’s Pub being the structure in the distance, and the laneway being Hendrick Lane.
It’s a south facing terrace and Benburb St. (Barrack St./Tighe St.) was a comparatively wide street for the traffic it supported and the location of the returns on the probable ‘Billys’ equate with the door locations perfectly. Surviving houses are all three storey, remodelled or rebuilt Billys, and the two storey vernacular is just around the corner from a little cluster of similar houses at Hendrick Place, but the pitch on the pub roof is a couple of degrees too low and the chimney stacks don’t match.
I even had it figured that it must be Sunday morning and the pedestrian rush up the lane was to church service at the local Methodist Church on Blackhall Place.
Have to start again!
@StephenC wrote:
Nerd alert!
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@el swanko wrote:
The slide is backwards and its Marrowbone Lane.
I like the idea of Marrowbone Lane, but I can’t get a group to match exactly on the map. Also I’m not convinced that the slide is backwards . . . . if you factor in kite flying and prevailing winds and all of that!
@ctesiphon wrote:
Time to get your Roques out for the lads, gunter? 😉
We might use this great recent 1847 O.S. reprint this time . . . *without the knowledge or consent of the Royal Irish Academy*
@tommyt wrote:
Is it Church st. and general environs ?? the big gable end on the right makes me thinkof Bow st.
Checking them out, but generally pretty narrow streets around there, not much scope for wide paths of set-backs!
OK, this is not going to be easy, and I can’t give clues because I don’t know the answer!
Where could this be?
It was originally suggested to be the south side of Newmarket, with the side street visable on the right being Mill Lane, (the narrow street that runs down to no. 10 Mill Street), but it can’t be, because the shadows tell us that the photograph was taken sometime around midday, so the buildings must face south, or maybe east or west, but certainly not north.
The house on the left is a paired-down ‘Dutch Billy’, so we’re talking not much later than the 1750s at the latest, and it looks like it could be one of a pair with it’s neighbour, out of view to the left.
The white house is a standard 19th century vernacular structure which suggests a slightly more edge of town location. They’re found everwhere from Arbour Hill to the Liberties and places like Harold’s Cross Road, but they were also found closer in, in places such as the back of Hill Street and Wood Lane off Hendrick Street.
I feel that the best clue is going to be that wide set-back beyond the path, that rules out a lot of streets.
Obviously there’ll be bonus points for anyone who can name the kid with the kite.
P.S. being a lantern slide, there’s also a possibility that the picture is backwards!
@ac1976 wrote:
. . . . the Friday market at Smithfield, located in an attractive tree lined area . . . offers a fine selection of foods with an international flavour . . . there is also a seated picnic area.
Hours of business: Friday 11.00am-6.00pm
So you’re suggesting that if a person were to go down there tomorrow, say for example, they would find Smithfield thronged with the sounds and smells of a lively market in full swing!
That sounds like a challenge!
. . . will bring camera and a fiver, and report back in due course.:)
@cgcsb wrote:
jasus! . . . it was an absolute kip
I don’t know, you could get some good stuff there!
. . . and if you spent €4.50 you’d come home with more than a feckin loaf of herbal bread
old newspaper cutting of Smithfield (April ’97) . . . before redevelopment.
Interesting caption!
The way I remember it, apart from the monthly horse fair, the fruit & veg market illustrated was just a spill-out from the market sheds and stores along the west side of Smithfield and was mostly a Saturday morning thing.
But, even with this limited use, and accepting that there may have been an architectural deficit, little urban enclosure, and no towering gas braziers, the space ‘worked’!
It can’t be rocket science to just stick a open-air market into Smithfield at weekends and just see what happens!
The Meeting House Square market in Temple Bar is fine if you don’t mind paying €4.50 for a loaf of bread, but it too small and too arty to really satisfy. The Marlay Park and Peoples’ Park, DunLaoghaire markets have their charms but are too far out to make a contribution to the city, and are equally arty and over-priced, IMO.
Is there any reason why a city the size of Dublin couldn’t have half a dozen decent unpretentious open air markets within the city centre area, enlivening dead spaces and drawing people into the ghost areas of the city centre?
Why would Smithfield and Newmarket not be the obvious places to start?
Are they sure this is a Calatrava!
. . . . and they didn’t just buy it from some bloke at the airport
For a start, the ‘Alto Vetro, Grand Canal Docks, Dublin’ thread is not the right place to continue this discussion!
. . . . out on the street with hurley sticks is the right place to continue this discussion.
One of the lesser entries for the 1991 Smithfield competition just envisaged a bit of in-fill, trees and a market!
It’s too late for the in-fill, but we could still have a few trees and a market, what’s wrong with that?
@Peter Fitz wrote:
agghhhhhhhh! . . . . a considered planting scheme please, by a landscape design practice . . .
That sounds like six hundred quid for the trees and ten grand in consultancy fees, a competitive tender process and two years of dithering!
Could they not just get out the google-earth view, splodge on a few tree until it looks right, print it off as a map and send someone round to B&Q.
They could even fix the paving on Haymarket with the cobbles they’d take out!
While they’re trying to figure out what to do with Smithfield, could they not stick in a few pockets of trees and the odd bench.
And when we’re on the subject of prolonged inaction, does anyone know what the master plan might be for the last remaining fragments of the last early houses on Smithfield? or are they just hoping they fall in on themselves before anyone notices that they’re gone!
@cgcsb wrote:
I assume An Taisce have objected considering it’s a developement that can be seen from somewhere and will generate employment and revitalize a derelict area. They generally don’t approve of such ungodly things.
I imagine they took the time to read the application, examine the several crates of drawings and supporting material submitted and, having done so, submitted criticism of any parts that they believed to be in conflict with stated heritage objectives, or were in conflict with the goal of protecting and enhancing the character of the city centre.
That’s just a wild guess.
@archipig wrote:
Has anyone noticed the best western hotel rennovation down the road from it? Sweet Jasus it looks terrible.
I found some recent pictures of this . . .
. . . can’t find any words though!
The DCC/Sean Harrington/York Street scheme is up for shaving in the current ‘ARCHITECTURE’ (RIAI journal)! The piece is by a Dr. Jonathan Hale, who hales from Nottingham.
Normally RIAI feature reviews are so sweet and sugary, reading too many of them would rot your eyes, but low! . . . . along comes a sugar-free review, even incorporating a couple of mild rebukes:
”Compositionally the elevations adopt the principle of expressing each apartment as a distinctive unit, which in some areas – particularly on Mercer Street – results in a slightly fragmentary collage of competing forms. The more sober and taught plane of the longer York Street frontage strikes a much happier balance of size and scale . . . ”I could be waiting six months for someone to point out that this not a dissimilar view to that expressed by gunter above, so I’m just going to point it out myself 😉
In the same publication, the RIAI president’s column cuts loose and carries out a high school shooting that leaves ‘Luddites’, the ‘angst ridden’, ‘Jahadists’, ‘Eco Artistos’, ‘suited proles’, ‘contrarians’, ‘neo cons’ and ‘Evrironmental Athesists’ strewn about the place in the ensuing slaughter, . . . outstanding stuff, but we’ll deal with this in the appropriate place.
@Figlen wrote:
I’m not a banker either!
You’re in the clear so!
Actually, serving in McDonalds, could be one of the more respected professions by the time this is all over.
