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You should worry about who’s running your country before you start picking on the people who work for it.
Dearest What….
I don’t dislike Architects, I am one…..one that also holds a degree in Landscape Architecture……I took a shot at my own profession (architecture) because I am tired of being around people who can’t think outside the box, these are the narrow-minded individuals I refered to…..like you who thinks that the word Landscape is limiting…..what part of the word Landscape refers to being “narrowly focused”….I ask you, what word could be more broadly focused????? lets see….maybe building architecture????
Im tired of this conversation….sorry if I offended you….my comments were meant to stir a debate…. the suggestion that architecture is a narrow-minded profession is not mine, its universal…I guess it worked.
Good luck…
Dearest What….
I don’t dislike Architects, I am one…..one that also holds a degree in Landscape Architecture……I took a shot at my own profession (architecture) because I am tired of being around people who can’t think outside the box, these are the narrow-minded individuals I refered to…..like you who thinks that the word Landscape is limiting…..what part of the word Landscape refers to being “narrowly focused”….I ask you, what word could be more broadly focused????? lets see….maybe building architecture????
Im tired of this conversation….sorry if I offended you….my comments were meant to stir a debate…. the suggestion that architecture is a narrow-minded profession is not mine, its universal…I guess it worked.
Good luck…
Dearest What….
I don’t dislike Architects, I am one…..one that also holds a degree in Landscape Architecture……I took a shot at my own profession (architecture) because I am tired of being around people who can’t think outside the box, these are the narrow-minded individuals I refered to…..like you who thinks that the word Landscape is limiting…..what part of the word Landscape refers to being “narrowly focused”….I ask you, what word could be more broadly focused????? lets see….maybe building architecture????
Im tired of this conversation….sorry if I offended you….my comments were meant to stir a debate…. the suggestion that architecture is a narrow-minded profession is not mine, its universal…I guess it worked.
Good luck…
Dear What
You found me out…and figured me out…well done, and with no clues!
Yes….everyone desires to be a narrow minded arrogant architect like you (not all are, and assuming you are one). I can only dream about prefabrication and cookie cutter buildings plans. What a life you must lead. To only worry about the building with no concern for context and site conditions, you are truly a GOD.
The only purpose your comments serve are to confirm mine, and my decision to be who I am and what I am. I challenged your comments, not your person….you cannot say the same. You my friend showed your insecurities and I feel for you.
I will thank BTH though, those comments were very helpful. I would ask you what you think about the changes that have been made to Galway city already. Mitchell and Assoc. were the designers for the new pedestrian scheme which seems to be very successful, which is why they were choosen to continue on with Eyre Square.
Cheers.
Once again I am amazed at the ignornace of people who babble on about topics they have no idea about. You talk about restoring Eyre Square to what it once was because this is what the thrust of Landscape Architecture should be in Ireland. This coming from a set of Irish Architects who have no idea how to build contemporary buildings in a historic city. This is hypocrytical and stupid. Landscape Architecture can have a contemporary niche as well, and it can be contextual and revitalizing.
Why would anyone want to put a fence around a public space….especially one that sits in the middle of one of the most vibrant parts of Galway City….because its what was once there????
The new design by Mitchell and Assoc. responds to the activity and dynamics of this area, and allows for mixed uses. It is historic in the sence that it will become a Public Open Space, which is what it really was originally, and not closed in Park as suggested. Of course it has contemporary components and materials….we live in the year 2003….how can it not. And it certainly does not have a Heart Shape in it. If you want to know what you are talking about before you continue to babble on, have a stroll down to St. Stephens Green and have a look at the scale model and drawings that have been sitting in the lobby of the Corporation Building for months.
You are right that many mature trees are being removed from the site. But what you fail to understand is that they are all dying and need to be removed. A very detailed tree survey has been completed by one of the countries top Arborists, and the suggestion was made by him that these trees NEED to be removed. Another thing that people fail to realise is that they will be replaced by MORE trees than are there currently, and that they will be healthier and more appropriate species for that site.
Just like buildings, public spaces have life spans too…and once those days are up things need to change……the architects in this country have no regard for restoring buildings to what they once were, so why should landscapes be any different, especially one like Eyre Square which was not designed by anyone significant or in any particular style to begin with.
you have know reason to TRUST me Kefu……just trying to give you an educated answer…..you can choose to believe me or not. I work very closely on many of the projects that are mentioned in this thread….and I know how the process works….landscape design budgets dissapear as building budgets increase…..its a fact of life in Dublins design scene…not to mention that senior architects in the OPW make the final decisions on ALL the public open spaces in your city….I don’t know why an architect is in this position…..You may choose to beleive it or not, but landscape architecture is a very important component in our built environment….and there are many highly trained and professional people trying to get that message accross……at this point many people are too nieve or ignorant to accept that….at the very least I would expect an educated person to at least try and understand that….. I find that it is a real shame that people don’t understand the relationship between the interior and exterior environments…..I am sure that I don’t have to tell you that many of the most successful examples of architecture do not sit alone on barren sites….their is usually a very tight and coherant and exciting relationship between the building and the landscape….so much so that in many cases you probably do not notice it…..which is why I say trust me, because I can see it…and I can see why people talk negatively about public spaces in this city….how can we expect to create succesful public spaces when most people making the decisions on how to design them don’t know what those are?
But thats just my point of view…..
leinster lawn…..as mentioned earlier, it is proposed to have a 3 story underground carpark on the south side of the main building with the ‘reinstatement’ of the historic lawns to be completed afterwards…however, since we are talking about a roof deck, and considering the government has decided that they will not spend excessive amounts of money to upgrade the structure of the carpark so that it can withstand heavy loading, we will be left with a ‘GREAT’ lawn, when we could have had something quite nice….do expect some of the mature trees to come down as well….which is also a pity…..as it stands, the expectation is that the lawn will be given back to the people as full access is supposed to be the plan…..however, a new gate will be created closer to the house. On the city side the 15 foot high metal fences/barriers are supposed to come out…?????? that is still being discussed….the cars will definitely be removed, as well as the raised ‘plinth’ area that currently sits in the middle of that space..I feel that is unfortunate and I know that the new design tried to spare it, the plinth, not the cars…I think it is an intergral piece in that area, with a fair bit of history (albeit short) but it does help contain views to the front of the house and although it does not relate directly to the other buildings, it could have been a nice center piece for the new plaza space…..as far as I know, the security huts are meant to be removed and access to the public allowed in….that is still being decided…..hopefully in the end the politicians will stick to their guns and we will see some attractive spaces framing some of our most important and visited buildings.
Trust me on this one, the problem with urban open spaces and parks in this country is not due to the lack of trying on the part of several very good landscape architecture firms here in your country. It is due to the lack of funding given over to the exterior environment portion of all projects that occur here, and the lack of understanding on the parts of city officials and in many cases architects who cannot look past the building architecture to see what is being offered to them.
i can’t believe that you used an image of Winnipeg’s skyline . Winnipeg’s skyline has never looked so good.
a troll? thanks paul.
I am sure it is a money issue, like most competitions in Ireland. I think the competition was a two tiered system…..where the jury picks the best design, then they open the TOTAL costs envelope. If it is too high it gets tossed out…..
can anyone clear that up?
a troll? please.
MK
Who pissed in your corn flakes?
I have yet to read one interesting thought from you. All you do is bitch! You give out to a student in the JOBS section about wasting space in this architectural forum trying to find work. Take a look in the mirror because your words are trash and I would rather read an engineers report than listen to you moan. Grow up and take you complaints to another forum!
MK
you sound suprised by the suggestions made here. maybe you could be so bold as to suggest just what the ‘Irish Venacular’ is….I would definitely be interested in your definition.
as well, are you aware of some planning constraints in Dublin that I am not? your comments suggest that there are planning issues here in Ireland….show me where? I think that the riot this past weekend is a clear example of how the public feels about planning issues in this conurty…I have been working here for 5 years, and I am still not sure the exist….your not refering to a little set of rules that planners pull out of their back pockets when they feel it is neccessary….are you?
Have you been to Asia? They are far more advanced in the construction and design trade….we could do ourselves a huge service by looking at their process…..do yourself a favour and jump outside the box for a second……you might like what you see.
cheers.
MK
you sound suprised by the suggestions made here. maybe you could be so bold as to suggest just what the ‘Irish Venacular’ is….I would definitely be interested in your definition.
as well, are you aware of some planning constraints in Dublin that I am not? your comments suggest that there are planning issues here in Ireland….show me where? I think that the riot this past weekend is a clear example of how the public feels about planning issues in this conurty…I have been working here for 5 years, and I am still not sure the exist….your not refering to a little set of rules that planners pull out of their back pockets when they feel it is neccessar….are you?
Have you been to Asia? They are far more advanced in the construction and design trade….we could do ourselves a huge service by looking at their process…..do yourself a favour and jump outside the box for a second……you might like what you see.
cheers.
