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ParticipantSure buy the bridge as well – keep the peasants well away 🙂
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ParticipantOooh – how exciting 🙂
Thanks for that Phil – must take a look. I was talking to someone who was speaking with the ‘curator’ 🙂 of the museum, and he said quite a lot of the church remains – though ‘quite a lot’ is fairly subjective…
It’s due to close in June/July I think.GrahamH
ParticipantHere’s a patronising question.
Do women produce different architecture to men?GrahamH
ParticipantI like how it stands out on the landscape – makes a very definite, powerful statement.
But the roadway is so thick it looks like it doesn’t even need suspension. Were the pylons and cables added for decoration?!
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ParticipantA shaggy, vomiting lady – I’m sure I saw you on Eden Quay the other day…
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ParticipantThanks for the link Paul.
Certainly the high-quality nature of the shrouds that very notably highlight the scaffolding form, and as a result their incongruous unique positioning within the streetscape, is a very different concept to draped or stretched banners etc – done properly they look genuinely temporary, as opposed to omni-present cheap drapes etc.
Saying that, I still don’t like the idea of advertising dominating in such a way – it simply takes over spaces in a way that is inapproriate for advertsing to do – the theme or message becomes imbued into the public surroundings and streetscape, whereas with billboards it is kept firmly in its place.
It does depend to a degree on the scale all right – this one I’d frankly find offensive:

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ParticipantAgain – really? 🙂
I suppose it reflects a more general trend ; areas traditionally considered male preserves like engineering & surveying etc are also showing similar ratios, if not in favour of women as you describe sw101.
You never know – might spread to Archiseek one day 😉
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ParticipantWithout doubt, there is great appeal in that conservation-funding concept, but one could also argue that developers can afford to restore buildings regardless of such carrots, and these shrouds are/will be used simply as a source of extra revenue in the larger scheme of things.
Even if the funds go directly to the restoration, it’s still saving the developer a packet.I’m just not sure that that there is a drastic demand for such a concept. Buildings that are in dire need of work will continue to languish, while owners/developers who can afford to pay the full cost will be the ones availing of the advertising.
I appreciate we are bombarded with advertising all of the time on a huge scale, but to convert that scale into physical reality by cladding whole buildings in it is one step too far.
I’ve never like the concept of covering all or part of buildings in these yokes – it feels like advertisers are taking advantage of the public environment in an underhand way, and is most unpleasant. At least billboards are comparatively self-contained, and this is how large-scale outdoor advertising should stay (though improved obviously :))For state and institutional buildings to be clad in quirky shrouds relating to the building or instituton itself is a different concept entirely – and a good one at that.
Like to see some pics too if you have any Paul…GrahamH
ParticipantThat goes without saying 🙂
Certainly the idea of demolishing the building seems to be a bit far-fetched, esp as efforts were already underway to secure Duiblin Castle and other key state ceremonial assets.
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ParticipantThe Shandon Bridge is very elegant – graceful.
The Trinity Bridge isn’t 🙂
The nice thing about Cork is that it can provide prefect settings for bridges, with picturesque curves, overhanging trees etc.
Daly’s Bridge looks especially well in that context, and is great in its own right – definitely a favourite.Agreed about the Pink Link (why so called?) – the cladding is very naff. Looks like the walls of an 80’s public toliet in a ‘heritage town’ 🙂
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ParticipantIt is such a shame this building was demolished. It was a landmark in the area, and was one of the few, if not the only building of note along the North Wall Road.
The long facade, somewhat reminiscent of the National Concert Hall, was perfectly suited to flanking the roadside.A building of intrigue above all else – that alone made it special 🙁
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Participant1/6/2005
Anyone ever hear of this before?!:
“[Arás an Uactaráin] remained the residence of the Governor-General of the Irish Free State until 1932, when the new Governor-General, Domhnall Ua Buachalla, was installed in a specially hired private mansion in the southside of Dublin.
The house was left empty for some years, until the office of President of Ireland was created in 1937. In 1938, the first President, Douglas Hyde lived there temporarily while plans were made to build a new presidential palace on the grounds. The outbreak of World War II saved the building, which had been renamed Ãras an Uachtaráin…from demolition, as plans for its demolition [!] and the design of a new residence were put on hold. By 1945 it had become too closely identified with the presidency of Ireland to be demolished, though its poor condition did mean that extensive demolition and rebuilding of parts of the building were necessary, notably the kitchens, servants’ quarters and chapel.
What sort of building was proposed or do people imagine would have been built? A modernist pile perhaps, or a severe modern neoclassical building?
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ParticipantBewley’s has retained its use – though I hear it is no longer possible to get a fry-up in any of the new establishments 😮
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ParticipantReally? Expected it to be around 20-25%…
So is architecture not considered a male-dominated profession anymore?GrahamH
ParticipantIt’s always reminded me of a Lego brick that came with a train station set – had that exact symbol on it 🙂 😮
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ParticipantPersonally I have never seen the difference between temporary and permanent. Either I can see it or I can’t.
I don’t feel any better about a Vodafone banner plastered across a building because it won’t be there in three months time.
Either it is there or it isn’t.GrahamH
ParticipantThe narrowing of the footpaths is a temporary measure presumably to funnel traffic while service laying and median works are taking place on other lanes of the street. They will be widened subsequent to the works.
@Jack White wrote:
What are the chances that the brick would be in decent condition?
Well that’s the key question isn’t it?!
I’ve heard of and seen the odd scheme where render removal has proved very successful, but the process can be difficult and seems to vary between individual cases.Obviously it’s not an issue to be treated lightly]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Dublin1/SackvilleMallComparison.jpg[/IMG]
The two low, what appear to be commercial buildings, match the current day corner structures exactly, while the first of Gardiner’s houses steps up after five bays.
The ‘Come In And Visit’ building today is the very first of these two-bay merchant houses, that according to Tudor, stretched as far down as Dublin Bus, where a larger house or two houses on the site broke the march. From here on a mixture of two and three-bay houses predominated.
To be able to reveal the last remaining of what would seem to be Gardiner-built houses, as opposed to architect-built in the case of the RDH house, would be very significant. Of course other houses possibly remain behind Lynam’s Hotel, but it has a substantial and very attractive Victorian façade.
But with Joe Walsh on the corner, the window surrounds are at best poor and cheap-looking, and are comparatively insignificant. Personally I’ve always found their proportions rather ugly, presumably why it isn’t protected, but the blue property next door certainly has attractive surrounds on the first floor.
Interesting how the shop fronts of these two properties today match almost exactly those of two and a half centuries ago – with a door in the centre to access the upper floors 🙂As the buildings stand, their rendered facades on what is up to that point a street of quality ‘real’ materials of stone and brick jar somewhat with other buildings – especially how they’re sandwiched in between the distinguished GPO and National Irish Bank, and the fact that they’re corner buildings making them even more prominent. If quality brick facades were to be revealed, they’d look really magnificent on that site, particularly in relation to the GPO – they’d set it off.
The removal of render is a contentious issue and rightly so – too many period buildings are being destroyed by people ripping the render off rubble walls never intended to be exposed, and often losing attractive stucco features in the process.
In this instance, the walls appear to have been originally brick-clad, as intended as the final finish.
The Dept of Environment’s Architectural Heritage Guidelines state that “all original architectural detailing should be respected, as should later additions, embellishments or remodelling of definite quality. …the planning authority may consider it desirable to encourage the reversal of unsatisfactory alterations that disfigure or conceal earlier work of greater merit…â€It goes on to note that appropriate research should be carried out first to ascertain the original appearance of the building, and that tests be carried out to establish underlying conditions etc.
Either way, all of these buildings need serious work, and at the very least a decent restoration of all three in tandem with each other could make them look, if not spectacular, then at least charming and a worthy contribution to the street.
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ParticipantRoughly what percentage of architecture students in Ireland are female?
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ParticipantSuppose anyone would in their position 🙂
The interior of this shop is interesting in that there’s an unusual wall sticking out into the shop with a curved end to it that looks exceptionally old, or even just very strange in appearance. Have a look by pretending to get a leaflet of something, an effective excuse I’ve been led to believe by eh – ‘a friend’ 😀
It’d be great to be able to have a good root around upstairs, see if the building is as old as it seems to be, maybe c1748-50ish, and what if any original features remain.
Either way, this building out of all of the three is the most in need of immediate attention given it has two major elevations.GrahamH
ParticipantGood to see you mentioned the two-chamber element Boyler of the BoI – most people conveniently leave it out in the world status claim…
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