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  • in reply to: pearse street developments #744257
    GrahamH
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    23/7/2010

    The attractive group of buildings at Nos. 51-54 Pearse Street and structures to the rear have just been restored and expanded as the premises of architectural practice Henry J. Lyons, designed by, well, Henry J. Lyons. It recently won Best Commercial Building in the IAA awards 2010.

    The conservation report as submitted in 2008 appears to have been drafted by Arthur Gibney before his death, perhaps originating from one of the earlier applications for the site. It stands out a mile as a sadly rare example of an architectural heritage consultant who knows what they’re talking about, and is passionate about what they’re talking about. It is thoroughly well-informed, bedded in comparative analysis, and confident in observation. In fact, with the notable exception of Cathal Crimmins, it’s hard to think of many others who produce this quality of work in Dublin anymore.

    The Pearse Street buildings bear a remarkable resemblance in date, design, function and morphology to the newly restored collection of buildings at Nos. 58-61 Lower Mount Street.

    Both groups initially emerged as residential townhouses, both were altered in the mid-19th century with a central infill building on a formerly vacant site incorporating a carriage arch, both were unified into a singular composition, and both served as a major commercial premises.

    As perfectly surmised by Gibney, the structures on Pearse Street “are a strange collage of architectural intentions, utilitarian expression and building interventions. […] Their current expression is essentially the result of changing patterns of use and interventions to fulfill specific functional purposes. Their special historic interest lies in their typological importance as a rare surviving example of a late 19th century workshop evolved from the mutation of a number of former house buildings with a builders yard.” Precisely the assessment we didn’t get over on Mount Street.

    When we look at Nos. 51-54, we are looking at three individual buildings that have experienced varying degrees of amalgamation.

    The bookend houses at each end are the oldest, built in the 1840s as residential dwellings in line with many of the other classically-informed modest houses built along the thoroughfare in the second quarter of the 19th century. The central, then vacant, plot was the site and/or entrance to the timber yard and offices of builders Crowe and Son, with the house to the right being acquired for their use. They sold out their interest in all the properties in 1873, probably to more builders.

    We are not told when the central part of the building was infilled, other than, unsurprisingly, ‘later in the 19th century’.

    I think we can be a little more precise in pinning it to the late 1850s, judging by the juxtapositioning of newfangled two-over-two sash windows with older Georgian grids positioned above. The notoriously bizarrely proportioned Georgian central feature window with squat panes of glass was born through later alteration, namely the shopfront.

    The central and right-hand houses were both heavily amalgamated, presumably when the central building was built in the 1850s. They feature a highly unusual structural system of piers and supports of an industrial nature to the interior, coupled with equally idiosyncratic Victorian plasterwork of a type not comparable elsewhere in the city. The online photographs are difficult to make out, but from Gibney’s description they appear to use complex layering of cast plasterwork in a manner suggestive of merchant builders exploiting newly available plaster products in an innovative way. The staircase hall for example appears to feature a heavy cornice supported by enormous cast corbels on the walls. The boardroom upstairs is also heavily embellished, while joinery is of a neoclassical character – perhaps Edwardian.

    In spite of the 1875 date tablet above the entrance, the likely origins of the handsome stucco shopfront, with its order of Doric pilasters and sombre entablature, is actually 1899 when J. & C. McLaughlin, the famous Dublin engineers, founders and art metal workers, took over the premises, moving from only a few doors down on Pearse Street. 1875 probably refers to the establishment date of the company. McLaughlin’s remained here right up until 1970 when the James Healy foundry kept the trade going a little longer into the final years of the 20th century.

    We can see above how the late addition of the shopfront skewed the proportionality of the central window with its odd square panes, where presumably it was another two-ver-two before this. Perhaps the adoption of the Georgian model was an attempt to hide the window’s botched relationship to the flanking windows by making it more of a decorative feature of the façade. It was also a cheap conversion: the top sash it is not segment-headed, but a regular, squared sash lurking behind the brick arch.

    The refined detailing of the shopfront is exquisite in its elegant simplicity.

    The ground floor of No. 54, one of the original houses.

    A scrolled end corbel.

    in reply to: Irish say no to PVC windows #745056
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Ha – is this still on the go. D’other guy got it Paul!

    Top marks gunter. This winner of this month’s prize!

    You can use them to erase pesky parapets.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776188
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Exposed again 😮

    :p

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776186
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I don’t mind the self-contained glass display units on the inner wall of the arcade. They don’t interfere with the design integrity of the church on the streetscape, while (in theory) allowing for a minimal street presence for the occupant. Alas, they appear to be used as little more than advertising revenue generators, rather than serving as objective information panels. Which comes as no surprise. The railing panels are an abomination. Which also comes as no surprise from Dublin Tourism. I invite anyone to go inside and take on the daunting challenge of finding out a scrap of information about the city. You might as well be walking into Carroll’s of Westmoreland Street. An absolute scandal. The place exists to line the pockets of its concessions and to tell tourists how to get out of the city. But everyone has known this for years – no point wasting breath on it.

    Over on Dawson Street, the former Costa premises has finally been replaced by another, higher class, coffee outfit. Priding themselves on a quality product and a quality service, this place has admirable notions, if not quite in relation to the planning process. Incredibly, unbelievably, in spite of the fuss surrounding the previous occupant and the refusal of permission for all of their external clutter, this operator hasn’t applied for planning permission either!

    Yes their signage is more muted, better designed, and their various accoutrements less obtrusive, but planning is planning. After many months of preparing and fitting out this store, it is truly remarkable they have not seen fit to apply for permission for their external alterations. And for what it’s worth, while their new signage is a decent stab at a fresh statement, at the end of the day, a sticky-up board frankly is not of sufficient design standard for this supposedly prestigious retail area. Not from a prissy conservation standpoint, but from a good design standpoint. A sign mounted on such a large expanse of wall demands a high relief, sculptural quality – not a laser-cut. flat-pack solution. Standards in this area of the city – deserving of a thread of its own – have been plmutting through the floor in recent years. Like the rest of the city centre, it’s getting close to a free-for-all out there, with nobody steering the ship.

    Inside, the flooring is just exquisite – beautiful tiles set in panels of dark timber. What a striking combination.

    Similarly, the ceilings are fresh and elegant, the lighting sharp and the counter set-up innovative.

    Less successful are the overly high partition walls clad in lavatory-like mosaic. They lend a clinical quality to the room, while obliterating one of the principal activities conducted in coffee places – watching other people buy coffee, and the frenetic activity that comes with it. Especially on a Sunday – what modicum of life that stirs in the place is hidden. Not good for the image. The mosaic is also too busy, clashing with the already frenzied floor. Timber would have been nicer.

    It’ll be interesting to see how the place trades anyway. The service is superb, the coffee the second best in Dublin, and the rocky roads even better than the surface of Dawson Street.

    in reply to: D’Olier & Westmoreland St. #714013
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Aha – interesting gunter. Yes the fine steel windows are a saving grace. A point worth making.

    in reply to: D’Olier & Westmoreland St. #714011
    GrahamH
    Participant

    It really is one of the most bizarre shop front maulings in the city, as if the new pieces were cut out with scissors and pasted on with Pritt Stick. Even the street sign was shifted over to accommodate the unholy mess.

    How coherent it was originally.

    Still, Drew’s desgn was considerably more elegant. How Westmoreland Street could look today.

    Presumably it would have been faced in red Scottish sandstone.

    The gloomy side elevation as built. The upper facade is no match for that heroic ground floor.

    What on earth is going on with those skinny central windows – never mind the bluntness of the breakfront as a whole.

    A clunkily detailed Venetian window.

    At least the wonderfully plastic vermiculated rustication – seemingly of Portland stone – injects some animation into the stern street level frontage. Great skill here.

    in reply to: D’Olier & Westmoreland St. #714008
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Indeed – what is now this.

    One wonders of the type of thinking that went through the minds of owners and their architects in the 1970s and 1980s, when institutional frontages like this were ripped out or pasted over for a cheap shop front installation. One need only look at the success story of The Millstone restaurant on Dame Street (if admittedly with more inherited glazing that above) to observe how a retained historic frontage confers considerable prestige upon a business’s image. The above example is a particularly botched job – cardboard cut-out isn’t the term.

    This corner building is one that never appealed to me. It doesn’t quite know what direction it is headed, with a fabulously vigorous ground floor contrasted with a weak classical upper elevation with overly elongated giant pilaster order and silly frippery about the windows. The Venetian windows at first floor level are also decidedly inadequate, and the facing materials of granite and sandstone curdle in the way they are used. The Fleet Street wing borders on crude.

    Drew’s design by contrast is a marvellous exposition that does justice to this corner site, at once commanding, upstanding and proud to make its presence known on the streetscape. It demonstrates Drew’s typically skilful handling of proportionality and wonderfully sophisticated detailing. The step down to Fleet Street is particularly well handled, making for a harmonious yet almost entirely distinct expression on that thoroughfare. More than a few hints of his Rathmines Town Hall in there too. A shame it wasn’t executed, more than likely for reasons of cost rather than any classical deference to Trinity down the road. Interesting to see the humble scale of the Wide Streets Commission stock next door.

    It was also this site that gave the gothic ICS/Blood Bank building its nickname ‘O’Callaghan’s Chance’, as the architect J.J O’Callaghan came in second place to the winner George C. Ashlin in the above mentioned competition. As a result, the critical O’Connell Bridge site a few doors down became O’Callaghan’s chance in the following period of the late 1890s.

    in reply to: New Advertising in Dublin #777227
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Voila.

    What is so immediately striking about the sign is how incongruous it is in the Dublin context. It’s nothing short of bizarre to see proper directional signage in this city! Without question this has the potential to transform how visitors get about, and what sites they chose to visit. Fantastic to see.

    The unit as a whole is certainly substantial. It looks overwhelming and faintly ridiculous up close, but from a distance it is appropriately scaled. Their success is entirely dependant on siting.

    When they have multiple fingers such as this one, they are very substantial and slightly gawky. I do hope sites have been sensitively chosen.

    The finger colour is a beautiful deep aquamarine blue – quite a bit darker than the db’s blue. The anodyne font is very much of its time, but beautifully crisp nonetheless.

    Alas the covers for vacant finger sockets are crudely designed and jarr with the sharp lines of the installation. Also, while blank sockets may be needed to accommodate future uses, there should be two, three and four sided posts, which can be chosen according to location. At least that way we don’t end up with entire sides of blank units as we have now.

    The base piece is also flimsy and unnecessary.

    In this instance a bollard appears to have been taken out of the granite paving slab and the hole used to insert the sign, but I get the impression the hole has ‘shifted’ inwards somewhat to move the post away from the kerbline…

    At last tourists know where Dublin Castle and its equally elusive Chester Beatty Library are! What a novelty.

    Christ Church has deviated from its official spelling I see.

    All in all a most encouraging development. Apparently there’s about 140 of them going in around the city core, so a massive undertaking. I hope some of the Docklands panels with You Are Here maps and fingers attached at the top are also included in the ‘suite’. Indeed this model would be far more suited to a major nodal point like City Hall plaza.

    So now that we’re finally getting official signage in order, how about kicking the private sector into shape?

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776181
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Dammit Devin! I was hoping this one would beat a record at some point – now it just may be prompted to come down (even if in the next decade or two). It beggars belief this yoke has sat here for so long without anyone in authority so much as batting an eyelid – indeed, as far as I can remember it has been here for close on two years at this stage.

    And not only that, the tatty newsagents next door has all manner of non-compliant clutter and ‘attendant features’ about its frontage, including LED strips around the doorway that beat the best efforts of Korean restaurants on Parnell Street, while right next door on the other side, as we speak, there is lurid pink signage being erected on what is one of the last historic shop fronts in this part city, on College Green, on a Protected Structure. A particular delight is the mammoth sheet of perspex that has been siliconed in in place of the plate glass, and this is before the internal signage, postering and sandwich board for the milkshake-making occupant arrives to decorate the windows.

    Without question it is the appalling standards of planning enforcement along Dame Street that is causing this shoddy presentation to spread like a cancer through the so-called ‘Grand Civic Throughfare’. The chic, if inappropriately historic-styled new shop front of Le Circ further up the street has just been modified barely a year after it was installed, once a deep and sultry aqua-marine blue, now painted lurid pillar box red, with salvaged two-over-two sash windows stuck into it! Kitty’s Cottage comes to Dame Street! Likewise, the beautiful turreted sandstone building on the corner of Grafton Street has a shop unit on the ground floor that has gone through three different uses in the space of a year, including an application for a café that sadly never went ahead. Now it’s a cheapo travel agents if I remember right, with nasty primary colours used on its nasty boxy timber inserts in the pointed gothic opes.

    It’s all just getting way out of hand. Still nothing has happened with the totally non-compliant frontage of Spar in the Burton building, nor with yet another Asian restaurant that has opened across the road with a totally illegal stone-clad fascia and shop front that can be seen from outer space, nor the horrific newsagents that has morphed into an Indian restaurant across the road from Dublin Castle… nor nor… it just goes on and on.

    Not only does enforcement has to be stepped up, but legislation just has to be streamlined. The court-based system doesn’t work. Local authorities should be able to issue fines on a time period basis – as long as your non-compliant works stay in place, the more you continue to pay. It’s the only thing that does work.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776174
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Ah Golden Pilasters. There’s a breakfast cereal in that yet!

    Part of another 1960s-era shop front survives nearby. This contemporary snapshot of what looks to be a southside shop front, with a thin veneer of po-faced, applique neoclassicim characteristic of the swashbuckling early Haughey Dublin, seems like Switzers.

    So it was. One would imagine that all of this would be long removed following the onslaught of Marks and Spencer, but not entirely so. A little fragment of the ensemble survives on Duke Lane.

    The surviving vent underneath the above panel suggests this is the same elevation as depicted in the above newsreel shot. The Ionic-columned entrance, complete with uniformed doorman, as barely evident to the extreme left in the first picture, has since vanished. I’d often wondered if Duke Lane was once much more prominent than it is now – would that be the case? If the Grafton Arcade was around back then, it would explain matters.

    Perhaps the architect of the above lived out in Rathmines. The arch-headed panels are vagurely reminicent of that curious pair of iced Victorian houses off Mountpleasant Avenue 🙂

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776170
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yes that does colour matters considerably, Punchbowl.

    But even on an objective basis, I think this frontage has considerable panache: an elegance that is let down, if not virtually obscured, by a tatty decorative appearance. Of course one could not advocate such a use of aluminium today, not least as has been demonstrated, it doesn’t appear to last without considerable retreatment or renewal. And the material is not fashionable to the contemporary eye. Just as the use of bronze or brass in shop fronts is considered passé, doesn’t mean we ditch it, especially where a material is as inoffensively used as on West’s frontage. Indeed the pilasters are positively regal – much better detailed than the dross we commonly get today.

    Full agreed on that utterly hideous green; it makes this one of the most unbearable buildings in the capital to look at. But just imagine the upper elevations painted a soft cream, with windows and reveals in a dark buff shade (Conservation Code #567841), complemented by a slick new narrow fasica with crisp mounted lettering. The sultry shop front (spruced up a notch) would look simply fabulous. No contest.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776166
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Ha I was wondering that too.

    Spot on observations regarding… observations. My thoughts exactly, particularly as a result of being regularly exposed to this example over the past while through the media coverage of West’s closure, and through passing it by quite often. Add twenty minutes of photographing it into the mix and arguably objectivity gets thrown out the window. Nonetheless, while quirky features or minor detailing may reveal themselves during the course of assessment, muddying the waters somewhat as regards inherent worth or value, the substantive issue remains that the shop front in its entirety remains of architectural value as an expression of thoughtful, well considered 1960s retail design, of which precious few examples remain in the city today.

    From a conservation standpoint, the primary question to be asked is the value or merit of the aluminium cladding and the degree to which is should be preserved. One school of thought may deem the material to be a tacky, quick fix solution that has degraded and ultimately long passed its shelf life. The other line of reasoning, which I would hold, is that the material was deliberately chosen as an elegant, modern but tasteful expression of the jewellery trade, whose use of sultry tones transformed an emerging practical construction material onto a sophisticated piece of architecture. In design terms, the poor resolution of the lower apron panels at pavement level admittedly give the material a stuck on appearance, but as a complete ensemble the aluminium works to refined effect.

    This in turns begs the question as to what can be changed with the frontage. Fully agreed with gunter that the fascia can go – it is crude and unresolved. Indeed I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the legacy of a previous tenant in the building. Dropping the windows presents a challenge, as not only are the aprons lost – which are intimately linked with the spandrels between the fanlights – but the whole sense of peering into a jewel case with its quaint landscape windows is also lost in such a scenario. Indeed the windows, with their gold aluminium frames, are one of the principal charms of the frontage. Certainly they are adequate in size for modern retailing. The trade-off would be a more transparent entrance in place of the rather seedy original door, which I don’t think anyone will lose too much sleep over.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776163
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Even the fusty, quaint window displays with morbid faux roses tacked onto fabric panels appear to date to the 1960s. Certainly they’ve been there for a decade or three.

    The timber paneling is surely original.

    Macabre qualities aside, this will all shortly be another sad loss of one of the last of the Dublin old school of retailing.

    The reason for the closure of the store is not entirely clear, in spite of the official line that the discreet clientele the store once attracted no longer exist to sustain it in business. Only last August the store applied for planning permission for: “Refurbishment of ground floor shop floor to include: essential maintenance and repair of the historic joinery and shop fittings; the replacement of the late 20th century cabinets/counters with high quality timber units; the upgrading of security and the upgrading of mechanical and electrical services.” Little more than a few months later, and the business, with reserves of nearly €400,000, claims it can no longer survive. The various media articles covering the story at the time all quoted oddly erratic explanations for its closure. What is perhaps of greater relevance is that Joe Moran of Manor Park Homes now owns a majority stake in the business, and the value of the property, with apparently unused upper floors, may not have been realised…

    In any event, any Section 57 Declaration commissioned for the property over the next while should unquestioningly, in my view, list the shop front as being an intrinsic part of the special character of the building. Careful consideration must be given to any proposed alteration. One possible solution to bring the frontage up to date for modern retailing requirements, is to allow for the removal of the lower window aprons in favour of full-length display windows.

    Otherwise, the character and integrity of this charming shop front, which sits in a sophisticated quiet elegance adjacent to virtually every other shop front along this stretch, must be retained. It is the very last if its kind on Grafton Street, and one of the few worthy design statements of its era in the city at large. It also stands as an important and enduring reminder of the venerable Dublin institution that served the city for nearly three centuries, as jewellers to the Lord Mayor, and by appointment to Queen Victoria and the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776162
    GrahamH
    Participant

    The shop front trade lettering is also of note. Restrained, crisp and timelessly elegant.

    Take a closer look and the refinement of subtle profiling becomes evident, with a raised ridge surrounding each letter.

    The fascia, albeit somewhat cumbersome in massing, effortlessly incorporates an awning which reads as a streamlined gold string course when closed. I don’t recall it ever being used in recent times.

    The arrangement of this side elevation is unwittingly reminiscent of the grand Wide Streets Commission building at the corner of Thomas Street and Meath Street, where access to the upper floors from the street is also gained through a side entrance at the back of the building.

    Number 33 Grafton Street is of course of significance in itself. A Protected Structure, first impressions suggest this to be amongst the oldest buildings on the thoroughfare, with a curious arrangement of relatively small windows to the front and side elevations and an extremely high ground floor both suggesting modification of an early 18th century townhouse that was once approached by a flight of steps up to the front door, above a partially exposed basement.

    Strangely modified first floor windows of a remarkable small size. The timber balconettes, possibly of the 1960s, are a delight.

    Things get a little more interesting once we look inside. We have no less than what appears to be the remains of an early corner chimneystack on the party wall with the adjacent building.

    The shop itself is graciously decorated; of a vintage that still knew what traditional design was about before the travesty that was the 1980s threw the rulebook out the window and gave it a bad name.

    Vibrant Soane yellow wall coverings with gold trimmings, handsome wall sconces (when was the last time you saw these anywhere?), sophisticated triplets of chic, recessed vintage spotlights, and beautiful curved, glazed timber display cases. The horse… you know you love it.

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776161
    GrahamH
    Participant

    22/3/2010

    A rare surviving element of 1960s shop front heritage in Dublin is in danger of being lost from the capital’s main street.

    The sensitively designed shop front of the former West jewellers, installed c. 1965, gives a contextual nod to the blind-arcaded shop fronts of the Wide Streets Commissioners of the 18th and early 19th centuries, thoroughly reinterpreted using modern materials.

    The famously reticent jewellers closed on Grafton Street in mid-February of this year after nearly three centuries in business. First established on Capel Street in 1720, the firm later moved to College Green in 1845 and subsequently to the present-day River Island premises on Grafton Street, before coming to rest at its current location at Number 33 in 1965.

    It is rare in Dublin that reproduction design works to such elegant effect, and less still when dating to the 1960s, a time when historic shop fronts were being replaced across the city to make way for more contemporary models of retail expression – not an updated version of the same as in the case of West’s.

    Contrived of champagne-coloured aluminium pilasters framing landscape-shaped display windows, the shop front utilises a contemporary material in an ambitious way, employing further strips of purple-toned aluminium as window aprons and either side of the splayed inset entrance bay, as well as above the marching array of fanlights.

    The purple elements have become extremely tired but can probably be re-coloured.

    The fanlights are of course the principal delight of the frontage: beautifully proportioned and delicately detailed.

    The quirkily designed Ionic capitals appear to be of carved and painted timber.

    The current metal fanlights, although venerable in appearance, seem to be a later addition. This snapshot of a Dublin film reel from the late 1960s, shortly after the shopfront was installed, shows what appear to be painted semi-circular panels in their place. Quite visibly this was an unsatisfactory arrangement that no doubt led to their hasty replacement with the current, more substantial ensemble.

    A shame those beautiful cylindrical copper lamps have vanished!

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776152
    GrahamH
    Participant

    1/3/2010

    I see Costa’s new café on the corner of Dawson Street and Molesworth Street has shut down exactly one year since it opened (my, how time flies).


    (March 2009)

    A notice on the door reads the shop is ‘temporarily closed due to relocation’. Given it was an immensely successful operation here, one can only conclude it was the terms of the lease that forced their hand. It was a short term lease that was signed back at the end of 2008, as then reported by The Irish Times.

    Incidentally, their cheeky application for planning permission (note, not retention permission) for all of their external tawdry signage paraphernalia was hearteningly refused by Dublin City Council last year. Not that it made any difference of course. They just held out till they had to up sticks.

    “The cumulative effect of the back-plate, illuminated lettering, canopies, illuminated circular signs, awnings with corporate logo attached, together with a range of other manifestation, including poster display systems, open hours window manifestation and door handles, creates visual clutter in the streetscape and a poor quality image. The proposal would be contrary to The South City Retail Quarter Architectural Conservation Plan and the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.”

    So where are they off to does anyone know? They’ve literally hired a removal van and taken everything from the counters to the corporate art on the walls. Where are they going to deface next, and will DCC be one step ahead of them this time? Presentation aside, it is a sad loss of a vibrant social amenity in this quarter of the city.

    in reply to: Irish say no to PVC windows #745050
    GrahamH
    Participant

    It does indeed have protection, Satrastar, but only if your building is a Protected Structure or is located in an Architectural Conservation Area. Even the replacement of the glass, never mind the entire original window, will be deemed as materially altering the character of the structure, therefore requiring planning permission (which would be refused).

    in reply to: Shopfront race to the bottom #776151
    GrahamH
    Participant

    🙂

    It’s such a shame with that Westmoreland Street premises in particular, as Thomas J. Coleman’s shopfront was one of the most elegant in the city before it was mauled as Devin describes.

    In respect of Griffin’s, I would proffer that their shop on lower Grafton Street opposite the Provost’s House is in fact worse than their upper Grafton Street equivalant. It is beyond outrageous. What other civilised city on the planet allows this sort of muck on their principal ‘exclusive’ thoroughfare, never permitted to form the setting of internationally significant landmark buildings?

    Pretty much everything visible in these shots is illegal.

    Peasant mentality to the core.

    I’ve said it 87,000 times and I’ll say it again: until we get penalty-driven enforcement, based on time-dependant fines for unauthorised development in ACAs and ASPCs, we will get nowhere with tawdry non-compliance such as this. End of. There is no other mechanisim that works.

    in reply to: Carlton Cinema Development #712150
    GrahamH
    Participant

    So I think it is agreed amongst pretty much everyone – and from all ends of the architecture and planning spectrum on this website – that this is categorically not what O’Connell Street and this new city quarter warrants or deserves in design terms. Therefore a systems failure has to be identified, either in our planning process or in the architectural profession, or both.

    Developers and some architects have often been heard in recent years waxing on about overly-prescriptive planning laws, yet surely the outcome of the above is precisely the result of a lack of clout and clarity in planning policy? Or more pointedly, the erroneous interpretation of planning policy? Alternatively, one can argue that the relative ‘freedom’ offered by planners in this case was to enable architects to come up with imaginative and creative design solutions in accordance with best design practice. Architects, after all, know best when it comes to design – right? Why shouldn’t they be given the rudder on this one? Logic would dictate that they should.

    The reality is that we see both professions culpable in this:

    In spite of some worthy Additional Information modifications made by Dubln City Council, an effectively illegal interpretation of the O’Connell Street ACA under the 2000 Planning Act led to the initial grant for the scheme by DCC: -1 for planners.

    The initial proposal was over-scaled, crudely integrated with its host environment and ignorant of existing building grain and street patterns: -1 to architects, and -1 to planners for granting it.

    An Bord Pleanála then gets called in to clean up the mess as usual. They enforce planning policy and civic design character by decree – hardly the best method of producing creative design solutions: both +1 and -1 to the planning system.

    Architects come back with a thoroughly dismal redesign that could not express in bricks and mortar the concept of a mean-spirited, begrudging sulk any more if it tried. The O’Connell Street frontage attempts little distinguished sense of urbanity or clarity of expression, never mind anything that approaches a civic-minded outlook for the first major intervention on the capital’s main throughfare in nearly a century: -1 to architects

    An Bord Pleanála now reassesses, and grants permission on the basis of a raft of conditional redesign measures that attempt to address the refusal of the promoters to engage in a meaningful manner with the critical planning and design issues at stake. The result is a compromise that does nobody any favours, and where the energy that is expended in the whole arduous process would have been immeasurably better spent concentrated on a thoughtful and engaging urban design proposal – critically, had the guidance been there from the outset.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773406
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Dear oh dear, the fire damage is much more severe than I had imagined. It looks like many of the columns are indeed beyond reuse. Questions really do have to be asked about how the fire got such a hold and so quickly over the building – what detection measures were in place?

    One wonders as to a curse by association with architect John Bourke, who as at St. Mel’s, made the later addition of a belfry to St. Nicholas of Myra in Dublin in the late 1850s. That church suffered a calamitous incident also on Christmas Day, in 1840, when six people were killed during a stampede caused by fears of the rear gallery collapsing.

    Very interesting view above of the cathedral without its portico. To think an entire generation of people only ever knew the building in that crude, unfinished state.

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