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ParticipantDamn you streetlamp! Sorry I keep forgetting to reply to this – G is indeed on Middle Abbey St:

…though to be honest haven’t the faintest idea what premises it is – not Hotel Capri anyway. It’s sited just behind M&S, almost terminating the view down (Middle) Liffey St.
The Moyne Institute is an excellent guess for E as it too is sandy-rendered and has some surviving steel windows, but it’s not it :).
As is F a good guess, but the Chapel facade behind is of rubble stone, so can’t be it either…GrahamH
ParticipantHow strange – only today I was passing through Mount Merrion Avenue and adjacent roads, surprised at the amount of cream aluminum that has cropped up in 1930s and 1940s housing there. Must be the latest D4 fad. It looks decent enough, certainly better than PVC.
However there was an interesting case of two houses right next to each other – one had cream aluminum frames while the other had timber frames painted exactly the same colour. There was little contest in my view as which looked better: the timber looked so much more substantial, architectural and simply more pleasing to the eye than the aluminum. Whatever the undoubted benefits of the latest versions of PVC and aluminium, they still cannot help looking like mere flat inserts in buildings. The lack of depth or relief in their frames can rarely match the more structural, sturdy appeal of timber that makes windows look like a part of a building rather than thin sheets stuck in to cover over the window holes.
@Devin wrote:
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Ah now Devin, don’t be too hard on yourself ๐
GrahamH
ParticipantIndeed – only the other lunchtime there was a group of (rather sad) thirty/fortysomethings in their shirt sleeves probably from the insurance offices across the way playing football up against the gravestones, which was pretty ignorant. Goes to show the attention they’re given in their current position.
Yes the new Quartier Bloom is a great addition to the city, if nothing particularly spectacular – a pretty standard urban space. Certainly the difference it has made as an efficent link from the Millenium Bridge to the north inner city is remarkable – I find myself using it two/three times a week simply by virtue of its convenient location, instead of previously having to avail of dingy Jervis Street or choked and pedestrian-hostile Liffey Street.
Without a doubt it is the beautiful timbered arches that generate the air of quality and distinctiveness here – otherwise it’s fairly conventional; as mentioned there is no planting as yet, nor any lighting or other installations of note. Also the green plastic furniture of the Last Supper place could be improved.But the concentration of quality outlets here, combined with some innovative interiors is most refreshing to see, as is the outdoor seating. Equally, walking by choosing what meal you’d have from those eating at the tables around you is always a pleasure, if somewhat frustrating ๐
Yes the Abbey end by contrast is pretty much dead, though there is already an extension being added to a recently completed building here, hopefully a service outlet of some kind. The quality of workmanship on that same red brick building is very poor.GrahamH
ParticipantAha – thanks both for that. A long-held question answered ๐
No doubt the mesh plays a particularly important role.GrahamH
Participant@Devin wrote:

Good God, that’s certainly um, different! Well, hideous to be honest. If this is deemed to be a good example of ‘topping out’ then I hold up little hope for what lies in store for our urban areas.
What’s the point in stripping off nearly everything of originality, surely the very purpose of retaining the houses/facades in the first place, only to further compromise what could otherwise be a decent modern development, or alternatively an attractive, reasonably dense terrace of Victorian houses? What we have now is a halfway house on both fronts. It looks like a contemporay addition to a dodgy pastiche terrace similar to certain imitation developments you see in the streets off Mountjoy Square, with their all-singing matching red doors, blank double-glazed windows and cheapo railings and concrete plinths.
The addition just doesn’t work at all, not least because the terrace below doesn’t even look old – without a roof it just looks like part of the development!By contrast, the College Green topper-offer, red brick aside, is clearly distinct and complements its context rather than dominates.


GrahamH
ParticipantYou gotta love this country – here’s another monster I’d been watching emerging from the cesspit with ever-growing incredulity the more it neared completion on the main road into Dundalk ๐ฎ ๐ฎ


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What is patently a modern apartment building, perfectly suited to modernist architecture with its eh ‘box-like’ qualities to put it mildly, clad instead with traditional frills and fripperies, so typical of the attitude to architecture in this country. I mean, what’s even the point of the pitched roofs?!! No attempt is even made to cover up the ginormous flat-roofed, brick-clad arse of the attic storey hanging out the back!! ๐ ๐
And you have to love the token ‘quality’ timber ‘feature window’ and front door – classy indeed, the former of which takes on a delightful quality at night, revealing a bare white stairwell with metal handrails and gloomy fluorescent roundels mounted on the walls. The *cough* port cochere leads through to yet more prestigious residences to the rear.
I’d love to get hold of the marketing blurb for them.GrahamH
ParticipantAn interesting and current case of reproduction Georgian sashes being used to replace later Victorian frames is Dundalk Garda Station – an imposing Italianate pile sited prominently at the top of a small hill in the town (below). Built c.1852-54, it was still too early to have plate glass windows, especially in the regions, and so Georgian sashes were installed with typical small horns.

Over the course of the late 19th and probably early 20th century, some of the Georgian sashes were replaced with plate as can be seen below, with the grids simply cut out in a make-do-and-mend fashion :), though nearly all of the side elevation windows remained intact.
This picture was taken a few months ago, literally the day after the completion of what I thought was a conservation job on the windows, they having been cleaned up and painted over the previous few weeks as part of wider restoration including a magnificent reroofing job.

But after all that effort and expense was put in, bizarrely, as soon as the job was done – literally within a week or two if not mere days – the plate sashes were then all taken out, to be replaced with repro Georgian grids! It’s almost as if someone just came back from Dublin and discovered what was all the rage in ‘conservation’ jobs down south, and decided they’d like a bit of that too thanks very much! It’s nice to know at least that the Garda
GrahamH
ParticipantWell if it isn’t Zap after all this time ๐
A bit of both really – books and the internet, most widely available. It’s coming across the less well-known ones that proves most interesting – there’s a rank of cliched pics of ‘aul Dublin’ that get churned out every five minutes and have been examined to death, but the real gems are those that rarely get seen, the Hardwicke St one being a case in point – part of a set of about five pictures taken in about 1848, probably the first ever professional set taken in this country. The Upper Yard of Dublin Castle was another of them.

The National Library online catalogue has some great photographs too:
GrahamH
ParticipantAbsolutely – that addition to College Green is fantastic tucked up in the eaves, its stark glazing contrasting with surrounding stock brick and the copper roofing below. It just works in that jumbled contest.
Building on top and in between existing stock is indeed an interesting and challenging concept; it isn’t that a ‘consensus’ has been reached on how inappropiate it is, but rather how poor the posted examples are, Francis Street in particular which is frankly ridiculous regardless of what stucture it sits on (looks like a mini-version of the DART extension at Connolly).
Cavendish Row might appear somewhat logical on straight-on profile:
…but of course the reality is that from ground level all you would see is a bit of nasty metal trim sticking above the balustrading, and a small amount of glazing from further back – all in all cluttering the roofline and detracting from the main structure itself, one of the finest corner-turning buildings in the city.
If the concept can be executed well, then go for it. I’d imagine there’s hundreds of examples in London in particular. If anyone could post more pics that would be good.
GrahamH
ParticipantFrom all the coverage of this report, the provision of a restaurant and shop bizarrely seem to be top priority for any extension plans, though that’s probably just the papers’ spin on things.
I wonder if the (eventual) reinstatement of Leinster Lawn would offer the opportunity for excavations under the lawn for further storage, labs and even exhibition areas, rather than filling in part of the space next to Govt Buildings (although this overground area would still be preferable for restaurant facilites). Considering most museums try to avoid windows, going underground shouldn’t really be an issue. Perfect for controalled and safe storage of specimens too, like the IAA ๐GrahamH
ParticipantOften wondered Bren88 about what you mention there. Presumably the insulation is polystyrene slab or equivalant branded product, in which case how does the screed remain stable and intact on such a comparatively soft and moveable surface?
Could be comepletely off the mark here in how things are done…GrahamH
Participantctesiphon you will be pleased (though hardly surprised) to know that the Real Tennis Court is protected, though of course that doesn’t exclude a possibility of delisting. Hardly likely surely?
Looking at various sources, it’s estimated it would cost in excess of €2 million to restore it from the current science labs housed there back to its original condition.
Also as dc3 posted from DGrahamH
ParticipantBeside the Liffey ๐
Looks like the view from the James Joyce House looking over towards Ellis Quay…
GrahamH
ParticipantI guessed as much. Lovely views of the Green from the offices – it feels like a Recency London square from up there, even if seen through pre-cast concrete units ๐
GrahamH
ParticipantWell spotted Seamus. Is this the only distinctively sloped Georgian street in Dublin aside from North Great George’s St?
@ctesiphon wrote:
C- Hainault House (69-71 St Stephen’s Green South).
Correct sir – though the address was optional ๐
The Mater is also spot on.
They’ve a lovely new extension built of late on Eccles Street – one of the finest infill buildings to go up in recent times in Dublin I think:

So only the statue B is left – hmmmmm…

Also three others:
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F

…and a giant dolls house dumped in the middle of the city – but where is it?
G

GrahamH
ParticipantIt is fair to say that the nature of the postal system is changing, as is the way people do business and access entertainment. However for the forseeable future there is still going to be a critical mass of people availing of traditional services, and some current services are going to hang on regardless of technological advances such as parcel and basic letter post. That is not to say the GPO ought to remain in the dark ages – its continued use as a public building is more to do with its status as a communications hub than merely that of the headquarters of the postal service.
As we are already seeing in various shopping centres, the provision of public internet access is becoming increasingly common and something that is sorely lacking in the GPO at present, and no doubt many other digital media services into the future. As has been said, there is as much to be gained from technology as there is to be lost in the form of conventional services. Either way, the GPO ought to remain in public use for the provision of day-to-day services for as long as is practicable – hopefully indefinitely. This ought to be actively encouraged by Government, not pulled apart as suggested.
The proposal for a full-scale conversion of the building smacks of the ignorance of rural-based deputies who have never had reason in their lives to make use of the building, indeed may never even have been in there, and view it merely as a political plaything up in Dublin that’s a State asset rather than a public building provided as much for the people of Dublin as for the national postal headquarters.
And yet these are the very same people who would be up in arms at the ‘draining of the lifeblood’ from rural towns and villages at the very notion of the closure of local post offices (generally rightly so). More than a bit of balance is in order here.GrahamH
ParticipantIndeed, that’s all that’s required as a temporary measure, and what I meant by the possibility of a conservation job being planned. Leave the proper replacement till later if needs be, and just pop in a plaster or decent concrete replica for the time being.
It’s a shame both the bridge and Westmoreland Street regenerations are waiting on the Luas. Though considering they’re both going to be compromised by it, perhaps it’s best things be held up for as long as possible.GrahamH
ParticipantIndeed it is needed. As well as the paving etc, substantial repairs to the stone structure of the bridge itself are in order, including whole parts of the balustrading, and some of the bridge facings below need to be replaced/repaired. And a new floodlighting scheme needless to say.
Yes I noticed the new all-white bulbs in the lanterns a few months ago too. (;))Well this has raised its ugly head again:
Irish Independent, Tuesday 25/4/2006
THE Proclamation was read there, but now, 90 years after the Rising, the GPO could itself be ‘history’.
The iconic post office could be ‘decommissioned’ and transformed into a museum and cultural centre commemorating the Rising.
Communications Minister Noel Dempsey is understood to have run the idea up the flag pole for the Taoiseach and senior ministers during a discussion on how best to mark the Centenary of the Rising in 2016.
Should the plan get the stamp of approval, sources say An Post headquarters would be moved out of the building to a new location and the GPO would no longer function as it has since it was built in 1818.
Last night Mr Dempsey told the Irish Independent he would envisage a centre were “all facets of Irish life, culture and history, could be accommodated. It would be a fitting way to celebrate the centenary of the 1916 Rising.”
Taoiseach Bertie Ahern had called for a National Conversation on how best to mark 2016 “and this would be part of my contribution to it”. While the idea is embryonic at present, it is understood the minister envisages full use of space available in the O’Connell Street building, where 1,000 An Post staff now work. It stand on four floors over a basement and contains two courtyards. At one stage the building was considered as a possible new home for the Abbey Theatre. The new GPO would be a home to artifacts and memorabilia relating to the Rising, including a historic archive. It could offer visitors audio-visual presentations on Irish culture.
Such a centre would be certain to become a major tourist attraction.Mr Dempsey outlined his thinking yesterday at the launch of ‘Cuimhneachan 1916’ – an Online RTE exhibition featuring unseen footage of the Golden Jubilee celebrations in 1966. Much of the footage is available in colour.
Among those at the function in the GPO who heard of the minister’s ambitious hopes for the battle-scarred building was Fr Joseph Mallin, son of executed 1916 hero Commandant Michael Mallin.
A spokesperson for An Post said GPO staff were “very proud to work in such historic surroundings. However, the fact is the headquarters could just as easily be in another location in the city.”
GrahamH
ParticipantAnd here was me getting excited thinking Temple Bar’s hot air balloon had arrived for the summer ๐ฎ ๐
Well done indeed – that’s 63,000 pages a day!
What’s the usual monthly figure Paul?GrahamH
ParticipantAgreed, there is the complementary addition in the case of relatively plain stock, and there is the plain stupid, particularly in the case of Francis Street. It’s an architect-designed, self-contained building, finished with a sturdy parapet as a bold full stop. You don’t just lump another structure on top of any such building, let alone an older one.
Parnell Street equally so, especially being such a fine structure at a prominent location; I can’t imagine this getting permission at all.
I read an application for here but don’t recall anything of an extra storey or ‘pavilion’ :rolleyes: – just changes to stairwells and change of use to floors etc. Perhaps it’s a sneaky later one from after attention died away from the first…- AuthorPosts
