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ParticipantSee how I got that qualifier in before you posted. Always cover yourself.
It’s remarkable how a place can look so like a place, and yet not be that place.
GrahamH
ParticipantAlthough St. Luke’s Avenue wasn’t as such was it…
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ParticipantLooking down The Coombe/Dean Street from outside the Widows’ Almshouses with the gabled school to the right? All buildings to the left on the current site of the convent et al?
GrahamH
ParticipantOne feels for the poor mites. Truly.
Yep notjim it’s very notable how much more spacious the pavement could be. I’ve been wondering for a while what surface would be most appropriate for installation on the bridge when/if it actually ever gets dealt with properly. Imported granite would clash harshly with the original rusty granite kerbstones of 1880 (the largest in the city), which remarkably have mostly survived being dug up on seemingly countless occasions over the years for various public events and service works. They are also in effect the last surviving original elements of street furniture in this part of the city.
Surely a decent bit of Leinster granite is not out of the question for this flagship bridge? Alternatively a dark basalt similar in tone to the Plaza on O’Connell Street would make for a crisp contrast with the Portland elements while also acknowledging the crossing of the river which is currently lacking. In spite of the novelty of the square design of the bridge, this somewhat featureless and barren characteristic has always been its downfall.
Oh, and Roads and Maintenance of DCC have known about the balustrade for nearly three years now.
Routine maintenance. I love it.
GrahamH
ParticipantTruly, one of the most cringe-inducing articles I have ever read. Riddled with inaccuracies, hyperbole and just plain madness, with all parties concerned.
Nonetheless it must be noted that provision made for pedestrians during this work is without question the best temporary installation ever used in Dublin, and the whole affair extremely well organised.
GrahamH
ParticipantLikewise. It’s very like St. Mark’s Church on Pearse Street. Where exactly was it gunter, and when was it knocked do you know?
And in a similar vein, and right next door, it seems another structure here has recently bitten the dust that’s been puzzling me for a while. Christine Casey mentions the following: “Nearby on Garden Lane is a simple classical building of 1819, now used as an abattoir. An attractive essay in the utilitarian classicism practised by Francis Johnston and his circle. Two-storey three-bay central block, rendered with blind ground-floor arcade, panelled screen walls and an arch at each end. What was its original purpose?”
A more pertinent question now is where was it? There’s nothing of this nature on the abattoir site that I’m aware of. Was it on the site of the thoroughly hideous block of apartments that’s just gone up with multiple dead frontages onto Carman’s Hall and Catherine Street? This would have been developed after the area was surveyed.
GrahamH
ParticipantDid gunter perchance give it away on another thread of late? It may have been swiftly mentioned…
GrahamH
ParticipantWhere did you hear that in the first place cgcsb?
This was a well considered case by the Board. They turned what was in essence a good urban-minded scheme but very much over scaled, into a palatable form that would sit comfortably with the wider environment of the north inner city.
Chief amongst the alterations was a reduction in height across the board, most noticeable on Liffey Street and Middle Abbey Street – the former of which was nothing short of a towering cliff face as originally proposed. The facade treatment along here, which is so dependent on the limestone cladding used, appears very elegant in renderings, as do the shop units at ground level. The uppermost floors of the building occupying the 1960s curtain wall site on Henry Street are to be lopped off and the remainder pulled back to protect the view from O’Connell Street.
The 16 storey tower at the Liffey Street-Middle Abbey Street junction has been completely removed, reduced down to the seven storey height of adjacent buildings. To be honest I think this came as something of a surprise to everyone – not even a nine or ten storey punctuation was permitted here. However this is a highly constrained corner – not a location that heralds or warrants a signature building. The corner building is to be clad in copper.
Penneys has mercifully been ditched outright, with the Board refusing it at an early stage. Their response to the proposal, and by association DCC’s decision was:
“The Board considers that the proposed modifications to the existing retail premises are unsatisfactory. The proposed addition of two floor levels of accommodation (stock room and administration offices) and the introduction of the large, glazed, projecting screens onto the existing streetfront facades would seriously detract from the civic design character of the eastern end of Middle Abbey Street and O’Connell Street generally, but with particular reference to the GPO building. Accordingly, and having regard to the overriding need to protect the architectural heritage value of this nationally important streetscape, the Board concluded that this part of the overall redevelopment (Block D) would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.”
So a pretty emphatic rejection. Penneys did not resubmit revised proposals other than a minor single storey addition towards the centre of the site. Clearly their involvement was driven by garnering maximum street impact and nothing in the way civic improvement. Croydon on O’Connell Street has thankfully been avoided.
The 1890s Arnotts building itself is going to be altered as proposed, with the western wing dismantled and re-erected as a facade on the new Prince’s Street. The balustrade as removed in the 1940s is to be reinstated as a condition, as is the concealed limestone entrance arch to be conserved and exposed.
The central Abbey Square is to be substantially increased in size, with the building line on the Abbey Street side pulled back by a considerable ten metres to enlarge the square. Also Arnotts which moves entirely to a new purpose-built department store building at the western Liffey Street-Middle Abbey Street corner of the site is to have its entrance forecourt substantially enlarged.
The apartments of the uppermost floors across the board are of an extremely high standard and will without question set a new benchmark for urban living in this city. Beautifully arranged roof gardens and terraces create nothing short of a garden suburb floating above this development.
Some minor modifications to glazing patterns and solid-to-void ratios were also made in respect of the Arnotts facade within Abbey Square. The mini-tower within this square has also been lopped in height.
From what I have seen of the two proposals, I find the Arnotts scheme head and shoulders above the Carlton development.
GrahamH
ParticipantSome pictures of the new development – to be titled ‘Joyce’s Walk’. The entrance buildings are yet more identikit offsprings of Dunnes of Henry Street™, but in a slightly more palatable context methinks…
Simple and elegant nonetheless. The brick further down has a more pleasant quality. The new street is more of a passageway really. Some more tree planting wouldn’t go amiss, and the pavement could be wider.
As BTH and notjim have mentioned, the treatment of the previously concealed bridge piers has been horrific. Left as they are they’re just plain ugly, and if to be painted (likely) they’re crying out to be graffitied. Really, such appalling treatment of the public domain. I cannot believe this, the most obvious element of the entire project to get right, has been so clumsily butchered. It pulls down the entire street. Some simple yellow brick cladding is all that was required as even a basic solution, matching that of the elevations further down the street.
The new shopfront fronting Talbot Street is elegant.
Which is more than can be said of those of Billy and his friend – what ridiculously scaled and detailed concoctions.
Was Planning so bowled over by the generous concept of a new thoroughfare that they just waved through all these details? Nonetheless the upper facades look very well, but their new faux Georgian makeover is dubious and poorly considered. For a start surely these buildings had plate glass sashes originally? (before the 70s aluminium went in). Equally the new glazing bars are too thin relative to the chunky sash frames, while the lovely deep orange of these machine-made Victorian bricks has been replaced with a pink colourwash more suited to dodgy Georgian townhouse restorations in the Midlands. Personally I find this a growing problem with Victorian brick – it’s one thing to clean it, but to colourwash it and thus lose its original character is not on. Going by their appearance you could now date these buildings more accurately to 1997 than 1887.
There are however some other decent jobs going on on Talbot Street. If ever there was an example of the transformation that can be effected on a city just by getting modest facades and fenestration right, this is it. It really cannot be said enough.
Beautiful job (whatever of the old shopfront). And the ever-increasing scourge of cumbersome double-glazed sashes has been resisted here. In fact I’d say this is now a rarity relative to the popularity of factory-churned clunky tmber sashes flooding the market now.
What a difference. And look at the elegant simplicity of the lightly cleaned orangey brick.
Another recent decent job further down – the colour’s a tad dodgy, but passable.
And again the retention of original sashes (if not quite a restoration of them).
Great to see good solid improving jobs like these on a secondary street like Talbot Street.
GrahamH
ParticipantStunning photographs, 1soanes. Beautiful light expertly taken advantage of and extraordinary subjects. Thanks for sharing them.
August 16, 2008 at 4:40 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746299GrahamH
ParticipantYou see, this is what is so frustrating about this city – the RPA are given free rein to carve up the city centre according to their lines on a map and notional nodal hubs and what have you, with external regard limited solely to the competing aims of Dublin Bus and other traffic. What about the requirements of the built environment and the special character of the city’s main thoroughfares? Is this not a further major element worthy of consideration? Is this not as important, if not indeed more important, as a long term and unchangeable constant, than the flexible operational needs of competing transport modes? I find a parallel with the billboards debacle – the city authorities, the guardians of the city, are willing to allow the very essence of what is recognisably Dublin, what forms the image and character of the city in the mind of its people and visitors – i.e. its main streets and spaces – to effectively be handed over to another authority with no urban design planning background, to play with at will in a manner not unlike passing them a giant box of Duplo bricks and a few base boards and telling them: “here you go, make us proud”. Only in this case the miniature town has already been built, and they’re being allowed at it with a giant bale of Chinese granite, a mountain of silver poles and 20 kilometres of suspended cabling.
This has been the nub of the issue for me from day one as regards passing Luas through College Green, Westmoreland Street, O’Connell Bridge and along O’Connell Street, and apologies for reiterating it at length, but sometimes you do wonder if you’re going ever so slightly cracked rather than the authorities being the ones beating the wrong drum – the scoffing attitude of some of the staff of the RPA towards such prissy issues as dignified public space, uninterrupted views and vistas, and coherent and sensitively designed thoroughfares merely contributing to this snowballing popular opinion that Luas = wholesome goodness. Rather than DCC leading the way on this with a set and determined vision for the historic core of the city, they’ll shortly be running around cleaning up the mess and dusting around the edges of the trail of Urbanism by Engineer the RPA has left in its wake.
Very simply, any ambitious plans for the College Green, College Street and indeed O’Connell Bridge centres will be turned to watered-down dishwater should these spaces be subject to the extent of cabling, poles, platforms and all other attendant paraphernalia that the Luas travels with. It is utterly inexcusable on College Green, offensive crossing the Liffey and O’Connell Street, and at best highly undesirable along the other major thoroughfares. One need only look at the disaster of Middle Abbey Street to observe what is in store for the coherence of Westmoreland Street. And what’s more, I suspect this entire issue will only rear its head in typical Irish planning Taraesque style, once the project has begun (if ever). Now is the time to make these critical decisions.
August 10, 2008 at 5:41 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746277GrahamH
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Well first I agree, cgcsb, that the toilet railings are attractive, and could do with some pragmatic recycling elsewhere. Also to clarify about the toilets I mentioned earlier with their pavilions and whatnot, this referred to new toilets that are proposed for this site above ground level. Whether they’re part of the JCDecaux deal I’m not sure, and by all accounts they form a welcome and well-designed and engineered redevelopment, but in entirely in the wrong location. It’s like saying back in the 1950s that there has been a car park on O’Connell Bridge for the past 20 years, so let’s keep it that way, but tart it up with architect-designed distractions and futuristic pay and display machines. Such a short-sighted decision, let’s hope it doesn’t go ahead. Also please missarchi say those railings made up of lamp heads didn’t/don’t actually exist…
gunter, yes okay there has to be some acceptance that removing Trinity’s railings might actually ‘work’. More than any other classical in Dublin, the West Front has a certain St. Petersburgian quality to it – grand, expansive, showy, egalitarian and welcoming with its comforting arms and pavilions, as well as exhibiting a two-dimensional theatre set quality that shouts “I’m forming a set-piece here – give me something to work with”. But the fact that the complex is orientated so awkwardly relative to surrounding streets and buildings, and the fact that there is no ‘official’ view of the building – largely because one was never designated on the basis that one could not be achieved from Dame Street – means that a European piazza, certainly along the typical militaristic model, is not attainable here.
Hence the reluctance to remove the railings on my part. But most of this is arbitrary without hard visual references, and as such photomontages and mock-ups down on the ground could yet influence matters dramatically.
And yep I accept there was a brief spell of enlightenment or call it what you will in the second quarter of the 18th century – one that was quickly quashed not only at Trinity but also at the Parliament House, where full-scale railings are also evident by the 1750s.
Not only is a civic space required in front of the Lords, but College Street in its entirely needs attention. It has a D’Olier Street quality – featuring a ridiculously expansive roadway, plays host to surely some of the most hostile traffic in the entire city (clearly the nerve ends are exposed and blowing in the wind by the time motorists have experienced the joys of the bridge and quays), and fundamentally and quite remarkably just serves no purpose whatsoever. It leads nowhere, has nothing on it, and links one traffic island to another. And yet it is located in one of the most enviable and central parts of the capital with some of its best buildings. Such a wasting asset.
Also it could not be any more hostile to the pedestrian if it tried, as anyone who has had the joy of trying to cross the road at its middle or the Pearse Street end will tell you. You have to go right down and around the corner onto D’Olier Street, wait at the pedestrian lights at Fleet Street, then wait at the pedestrian lights on D’Olier Street, then cross over and wait at the lights at Townsend Street, and the cross the island and wait at the lights at Pearse Street! Trying to jump the racing blind traffic here at any point is taking your life in your hands.
Hence the entire street needs to be addressed, given some purpose and dignity (and its concrete lampposts restored ).
Opening up the grounds of the Chief Steward’s house is an interesting concept notjim, though I don’t think I’d go as far as incorporating its space into a public square, not least as the elevation of the Trinity accommodation block is unresolved and faced in rubble stone (ironically its lesser colleague on the Provost’s House side is faced in ashlar, in deference to the Provost’s delicate sensibilities looking out the bedroom window first thing in the morning). It was mentioned before on the Westmoreland thread what a shame it is this College Street elevation was never given proper treatment to complement the Lords – if ever there was a monument to the Act of Union, this is one of them. Surely this would have been properly resolved if the WSC and Parliament combined has desired it on foot of the neighbouring street improvement schemes.
A low-walled or railed (;)) public park flanking the square would be more desirable I think. Agreed about the delightful mystery factor nonetheless.
August 10, 2008 at 1:03 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746268GrahamH
ParticipantI thought it would be best to continue the College Green discussion here rather than the Westmoreland/D’Olier Street thread.
@gunter wrote:
No notjim, I have not misunderstood your point.
You have an emotional attachment to the lawns and that’s fine, there’s no shame in that.
The urban condition can be gritty and hard and little bits of lawn are a comfort blanket ; )
The point I’m trying to illustrate is that, in urban realm terms, we’ve gone backwards. The College Green of the Joseph Tudor print and Rocque’s map (both 1750s), was clearly a more urbane space, and one more in line with comparable central urban spaces in comparable (mainland) European cities, than the College Green of today.
Rocque shows the new (not yet completed) front of Trinity with the same ring of stone obelisks linked by simple chains that Tudor depicts. While we may not be able to compare the traffic loading of a couple of sedan chairs to a constant string of double decker buses, there’s no question that College Green originally read as an civic space and now it reads as a traffic junction. The transition of the Trinity forecourt, from a being a simply demarcated arc across a single paved space, to the defensive zone with ‘Don’t walk on the grass’ lawns we have today, has played a part in this transition.
As magnificent as those Victorian railings are, and as manicured the lawns, the fact remains that these later 18th & 19th century additions negate some of the original urban qualities of the space.
How do you not see this?
On your belief that ‘main university buildings almost always have grass in front of them’, no they don’t. You’re thinking of English influenced, or the slightly out of town universities, I’m thinking of inner city, old school, universities (Edinburg, Bonn, Freiburg, Heidelburg, anything in Italy etc. etc.) and, in any case, it’s the urban space I’m talking about, whether or not there’s a college on one side.
gunter, as much as I understand your reasoning regarding Trinity’s lawns, I think it is misdirected. The problem of College Green – as we have talked about for years on this site (and acknowledging it takes a while to read through 20,000+ posts) – is how this once grand civic space, as you highlight, has essentially been appropriated to vehicular traffic and effectively vanished from the popular mindset.
What is probably the grandest expression of urban space in Ireland, by virtue of the importance – past and present – of the institutions that flank it, the international quality of its architecture, its grandly-scaled spatial qualities, and the convergence of the main arteries of the city, is completely lost through:
1) The devotion of so much physical space to traffic.
2) The complete dominance of traffic in the spatial and atmospheric character of the ‘room’, to the detriment of the appreciation of all other elements.
3) The obscuring of both buildings and their interrelationships by inconsiderately planted trees and random street furniture.
4) General mindless and uncoordinated clutter, particularly abounding on the central ‘island’.
5) The fact that there even is an ‘island’ – when roadways should be islands amongst pavements.
6) A shoddy and ever-degenerating public domain.Thus the vitriol towards Trinity’s lawns I think would be more usefully directed to the area outside its railings, rather than within. It can of course be appreciated that the West Front could introduce a new quality to College Green if it directly addressed a new plaza unhindered, but I don’t think this facade is particularly approachable in that respect. It was clearly never designed to be a civic building in the true sense of the word – rather, in the manner of a modern-day shopping centre or department store, it presents a largely blank frontage that is decorated as a token civic gesture, whilst really only aiming to do one thing – cloak a megastructure and draw the patron inside. The West Front has nothing of the arcaded or multi-entranced ground floor typical of most European plaza-licking piles – indeed even compared to its colleague across the road – similarly there is no grandiose portico or full-scale verticality which acknowledges a hypothetical flanking space. Jacobson clearly designed this facade with some form of frontal enclosure (and admittedly budget) in mind. The entire facade effectively floats above a heavy base of rustication which is pleasant when on show, but is equally dispensable behind a shroud of railings.
(Incidentally note how grubby the facade has become in 13-15 years)
Pretty much since the foundation of Trinity College the complex has been bounded to the west by some form of wall or railing – this tradition continued with the West Front, albeit broken by the obelisk episode which appears to be more influenced by the contemporaneous Gardiner’s Mall than any real consideration of the site. It’s possible they even pre-date the West Front given so many of Tudor’s prints date to the early 1750s. Certainly by 1761 the front had been railed in with full-scale Georgian railings.
So if the railings were taken away today, you’d pretty much be walking by people’s bedroom windows, or at best catch glimpses of a storeroom piled high with lavatory rolls or an administrator’s dingy office layer with suspended ceilings. As is, the decorous but spare Victorian railings do much to add dignity and graciousness to the West Front with their curved sweeps, and if ever fully exposed through the removal of clutter would actually help delineate and orientate the facade which in reality is off-centre and concealed at both ends in most views.
What could however be achieved (ever the compromiser) is the widening of the hard surfaced space within the railings which is unduly narrow and fails to acknowledge the breadth of the central breakfront of the building. Thus what is currently this:
…could be something more like this:
Also bearing in mind that it would be beautifully paved in Irish granite, detailed with Portland stone, and lined with seating and feature a distinguished lamp or two. A world away from the current dingy asphalt and poorly articulated entranceway.
However to prove I do have time for plazafying notions, I would concede that should College Green eventually be subject to a radical masterplan, and I mean an all-encompassing plan that addresses the space as an ideal world scenario, there would be some validity in the removal of the Bank of Ireland railings should the building as a result directly address a wider plaza space unhindered by traffic.
This would return the BoI complex to that originally envisaged by Pearce with a radical European colonnaded piazza opening out onto a wider civic arena. At present the columns and wider dignity of the structure are curtailed by the horizontal band of railings crossing the site, essentially concealing the weight and grandeur of the building as it hits the ground, as much as it also rises from it. The exposure of the original views of the building from Grafton Street, Dame Street and College Green itself would benefit greatly from this, but moreover the approachability and public interaction with the building – essentially becoming the essence of College Green rather than the stage set function it is currently reduced to. (Aerial pictures cannot of course explain such a concept).
What this area is also crying out for, and this was originally meant to be the point of this post, is a re-evaluation of one of the city’s signature buildings, a structure which has effectively been lost more so than the College Green fronts of Trinity and the Bank combined. It is part of the bank, yet to all other purposes it is a separate – if begrudgingly associated – building, as was its intention – the House of Lords portico.
Utterly lost in a bewildering sea of modern urban distractions, this once-dominant feature of the city can only be appreciated as a series of disparate elements: a rank of disengaged column bases you pass by at street level, a fleeting raking view you might encounter standing at the pedestrian lights opposite, the flash of a statue over the trees from the top of a double-decker. The wider appreciation of this compact Gandon building, encompassing portico, substantial projecting wings and flanking later monumental doorcase is lost in a sea of passing buses, trees, mindless clutter, more trees, and of course disused public toilets and their associated paraphernalia. It is nothing short of extraordinary how one of the landmark buildings of the city, with a once-striking vista down College Street, has all but disappeared, both from public consciousness as well as actual street view.
As part of the College Green ‘reordering’, when and if it ever gets underway, central to this ought to be nothing short of the creation of a piazza space that addresses this building. Many of the same spatial problems affect this structure as once did the GPO – primarily the harsh curtailment of its columns by the roadway immediately adjacent. Similarly views of that building were once compromised by trees, as here, while the wider space fronting it did not acknowledge the building in a manner commensurate with its status, as also at the Lords.
In any other city a project of this type would be given top priority (or moreover would never have got into this state in the first place), yet what do we do here? – only commission a set of all-singing public toilets with entrance pavilions to be plonked above ground right on an island in the midst of a sea of traffic right in front of one of the major classical buildings in the city. It simply beggars belief. As things stand, if things were done properly here, there would very simply, be nothing left standing except Moore on his pedestal and a properly landscaped civic space covering the majority of this important triangle.
I won’t even attempt to suggest traffic plans for this area, but as far as I’m concerned, traffic, including the majority of buses, need to get out out out of the College Green-College Street zone, and both transformed into attractive civic spaces as well as suitable launch pads for their attendant major streets. The College Street area in particular has been unresolved for the past 200 years and someone really needs to take the bull by the horns here and make some decision about what really matters in this city – traffic islands and public conveniences or a stately sense of presence, civic pride, and urban design status befitting of a capital city. The ceremonial heart of urban centres may very well be token public relations gestures, but they more than anything represent the standards and ethos of a city in its entirety, as well as shape the lingering impression of a city in the mind of the visitor. If we can get these spaces right – properly and ambitiously – we could make major headway in the transformation of the image of Dublin from a provincial city to that of European capital.
GrahamH
ParticipantYes you’re right – the entire Westmoreland Street/D’Olier Street/College Green/Dame Street axis is continuously deteriorating; the very places that should be the beating heart of the city. Dame Street is now a string of budget restaurants and bars (the odd gem excepted), language schools, internet cafés and newsagents. The banks’ presence, as welcome as it is, in such a concentration coupled with the aformentioned uses merely contributes to the problem with their deadening frontages.
The latest manifestation of this deteriorating order of uses is an appalling newsagents-cum-café across the road from City Hall, with a sparse budget fit-out and ubiqutous ‘temporary’ signage plastered across the awful polished granite shopfront with clunky aluminum windows. Permanent banner signs have also been erected on the upper facade. Meanwhile a Chinese restaurant recently wanted to set up shop next door to the Central Bank in a building with a stunning early 20th century interior, installing split-level mezzanines etc but have thankfully just been turned down – nonetheless a further indication of the way things are heading around here. The sniffing of Lidl around College Green is merely the icing on the cake – the fact they think there’s even a chance they could get in speaks volumes of authorities’ commitment to pressing for even basic standards, let alone higher order uses for the heart of the city.
It is a troubling trend that investment in the city centre appears increasingly to be consolidating around the south-western corner off Grafton Street, while the ceremonial heart effectively begins to rot.
GrahamH
ParticipantThe EBS retail proposal from c. 2004 – knew I had it somewhere 😮
The former EBS HQ at 30/34 Westmoreland St, Dublin 2 which is to be converted into a large retail store. The front central section of the building will be retained while the remainder of the frontage will feature specialised coloured glazing. (paper caption)
To think this might actually have slipped through…
I love the streams of traffic passing by – says it all about the viability of the project.
Incidentally I was talking to someone who hadn’t been walking in the Westmoreland Street area for a year or two, and without any prompting whatever (honest) launched into a diatribe on the state of the place – from retail uses, to public domain, to shopfronts, to traffic. They couldn’t believe how much the place had deteriorated, and were mortified at the number of tourists availing of the thoroughfare. You’d wonder why they bother coming.
It’s the new O’Connell Street of the 1980s and it’s happening right before our eyes.GrahamH
ParticipantSo they are :). Was he trying to tell us something? (do do do do…)
GrahamH
ParticipantI’ve never seen drawings either, but apparently there were draft or preliminary plans drawn up by Cooley shortly after the completion of the Public Records wing for a Courts complex at this site also, roughly along the lines of the plan that we have now, but with a single semi-enclosed rectangular courtyard – presumably open to the river – and the central block absorbed into the northern range. The plan of Government Buildings minus its street frontage is probably a reasonably representative expression of such a concept. Agreed the plans would be interesting to get hold of.
As regards the chronology of building the Four Courts, as previously mentioned Cooley’s building was begun in 1776 and seemingly finished by 1784, the year that Cooley died. Notably it was James Gandon that signed one of the final payments for this work in that same year – 1784 – indicating he was on the scene as replacement architect long before 1786 when the foundation stone for the Four Courts was laid. Ground works began in the latter quarter of 1785. What is generally unknown is that the building of the Four Courts was fraught with as much, if not greater, difficulty than that of the Custom House – allbeit for different reasons – with Gandon embroiled in a plethora of vindictive public attacks that were as much political as they were critical of his work. Work was also halted at times, and the entire project constantly under political scrutiny and review. All of this is detailed to illuminating effect in Hugo Duffy’s seminal book on Gandon: James Gandon and his Times, published in 1999.
An extract from Gandon’s diaries gives a precise chronology of the major construction events. In 1794:
“The statues had been placed on the pediment of the portico, and four of the columns, complete with their entablature, were raised and set around the drum of the dome, so that some idea could be formed of what was intended: from this circumstance I was in hopes to secure the completeness of the design whenever it was resumed. The dome, from its eminence was now become the most conspicuous feature of the public of Dublin, and from many adjacent parts of the country was seen with imposing effect.”
Later in 1794:
“…the remaining columns around the dome, with the entablature, were completed and the roof covered; in the meantime the internal scaffold was raised for finishing the vault of the internal dome; all the foliage, with the medallions being cast, and afterwards repaired by carvers, which added greatly to their boldness of relief, and every department went on with the same expedition. The Courts were ready for the reception of the Judges, who held their first term therein on Monday, the 8th November, 1796, being ten years and eight months from the laying of the first stone. But it must be remarked that works were suspended for nearly three years, while the south eastern portion of the offices were being erected. It was not until the year 1798 that the foundations were laid for the east wing of the remaining offices, nor, owing to the political events which then convulsed society, was it until 1802 that the screen arcade, and wings of offices were finally completed.”
The person generally associated with the personal attacks in contemporary newspapers was none other than James Malton, clearly a volatile character with a major chip on his shoulder. He had earlier worked for Gandon as his (highly accomplished) draughtsman for about three years. While the anonymous ‘Malton Letters’ have never been proven conclusively to have been by him – and there are some causes in the letters to attribute them elsewhere – on the whole it is accepted that he is by far the most likely candidate responsible.
The biography of Gandon published by his son in the 19th century observed cuttingly about Malton: “He [Gandon] took him into his office, and kept him employed for nearly three years; but he so frequently betrayed all official confidence, and was guilty of so many irregularities, that it became quite necessary to dismiss him from the employment. He subsequently published views of the public buildings of Dublin, which, so far as delineation went, were certainly accurate, but his letter-press descriptions were envenomed with the most malignant misrepresentations.” 🙂
I’ve never really understood why Malton’s view of the Four Courts – or rather his depiction of the drum and dome – is so unflattering, cartoon-like even, especially relative to his other elegant and proportional drawings, but his string of attacks on this building in particular would suggest that he wasn’t exactly favourably disposed to an accurate, never mind favourable, representation…
Incidentally the plans depicted in Gandon’s famous portrait by Tilly Kettle are none other than…
GrahamH
ParticipantIt’s the horizontal sibling of the new No. 75 St. Stephen’s Green.
I couldn’t make out why the Wilton Terrace building stood out so much in the context of recent developments in the city, until it clicked. It just fits. Shock! No attempt at gratuitous stacking in of additional floorplates, full respect for the grain of its context, and a crisp acknowledgement of the surrounding building line. Basic principles that have been cleanly and efficiently adhered to. Refreshing.
Now whether planar glazing is a lazy excuse of a ‘building’ is another debate entirely – and one I don’t particularly subscribe to – but within its idiom it is an elegant example of its type.
GrahamH
ParticipantThis cannot possibly go ahead. It will impinge on views of The Clarence.
GrahamH
ParticipantThat’s interesting. What was the main problem that caused it to be turned off, as I don’t recall it ever being confirmed. The meagre force of the water, its blowing all over the place, or inadequate drainage?
Given the private sector injection into the revamped Gaiety Centre, it’s the very least the local authority can do, not least given the tens of thousands in development levies received.
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