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ParticipantArnotts extention maybe…
The one building in the city centre above all that is deserving of the ‘department store treatment’ is Hammam Buildings on O’ Connell St, up by the Gresham.
It has 3 beautiful cut stone shopfronts flanked with carved pilasters on the ground floor, all of which are EACH subdivided into 2 or 3 individual stores, including a gross intrusion of a Burger King extention.
If only these 3 units (x3 again) could be aquired and amalgamated into a large department store, it would do this landmark building so much justice, and equally importantly – act as the much needed major attraction at the top end of the street.
GrahamH
ParticipantThis ‘air/heat recycling’ has been going on for years elsewhere in Europe and is a welcome development in Ireland.
The atrium space inside is stunning, particularly how it contrasts with the initial low-ceilinged entrance area off the quay – the acres of polished granite is just so predictable however.
The other atrium that links the Scott Tallon Walker phase with the original part is also impressive, I like the way you can see the sheer scale of Stephenson’s ‘bunkers’ from inside.
GrahamH
ParticipantThere are acres of comment on this in previous threads if you delve back a bit.
GrahamH
ParticipantCouncil estates in Dundalk – I there’s about 3 Pearse Parks.
I said Loaker earlier on – I meant Loakers – which is even worse.
I looked it up in the dictionary – theres no such word!
GrahamH
ParticipantThe most often quoted for Liberty Hall is 196 feet – which equates to your 59.4m – whatever it includes…
GrahamH
ParticipantA shoddy heap of steaming Tudoresque has gone up near me entitled ‘The Loaker’
What in the name of holy mother of God is a loaker?
Image having to say I live at no 3 The Loakers!
If it meant sleeping on the street, I would’nt live there.
GrahamH
ParticipantThere’s been a fine view of Dublin Castle through this hole for many a month – shame to see it go now!
GrahamH
ParticipantThe amount of different figures I’ve heard for the height of George’s Quay, ‘oh it’s taller than Liberty Hall’ ‘my brother works there he knows’ ‘my uncle was contractor, I think he’d know somehow’ etc blah blah
I’m glad to see you have the correct figure Andrew!
I had the privilige to view Georges Quay from Liberty Hall, sure you have to look down on it for goodness sake!
Oh how I enjoyed rubbng it in afterwards…GrahamH
ParticipantSome snappy facts:
The trams will be 3.27 metres (11 feet) high.
The electricity supply overhead will operate at 750V DC.
Each tram is capable of up to 70kmph.
Lines A & C will use 30 metre trams, while B will use 40 metre.
Each 30metre will hold up to 235 people, with only 60 of them seated.
235 people is the equivilant to 168 cars apparently.
GrahamH
ParticipantGarrett has for years been opposed to Luas, although I think he’s the only person in this country who has ever come close to the idea of a ‘statesman’ I have to point out that a lot of his arguements over Luas have been proven incorrect or rather not taking into account other factors that render his points irrelevant.
There was a notable absence of his previous criticisms last night as a result.I loved the bit where he spoke with an engineer at the Red Cow and asked how pedestrians were supposed to get to the station – to which the engineer replied ‘well, over there’.
Garrett – “what you mean across the motorway?”
Engineer – “well mumble mumble……………..”
(Dissolve to black)I thought I’d delve back a bit and follow tdevelopment of Luas from it’s inception in 1990 – although it was mooted in the 80s.
1990 – The Dublin Transportation Initiative was formed to try & solve the city’s transport problems – A light rail system is immediatly on the cards.
1992 – the DTI’s interim report is published, light rail is the staple mode, and various lines are proposed.
1994 – Final report published – lines pretty much in their current form are decided upon.
1997 May – After 3 years of consultations with civic groups and 100s of bodies etc Min for Transport Alan Dukes puts up £100m for building Tallaght line and money for designing Ballymun line.
1997 July – Fianna Fail come into Govt with PDs and despite earnest protests from Dukes not to interfere – they unravel the whole process to find the feasability of going underground.
Luas team are furious after 3 yrs of work – FF promise a massive report will at last settle the underground issue once and for all – and spend £200,000 on a study by WS Atkins of the UK.1998 April – 9 months later (delay later) report is published – it unequivically supports overground system – it will carry more passengers, will cost less, and underground would prob entail a public private partnership, and would take much longer to build.
Estimated cost overground £500m – roughly what CIE had come up with previously.1998 May – 1 month later Mary Harney & Mary O’ Rourke come under pressure form car lobby and various other anti-Luas groups that had formed, & despite promises of Atkins being the final final report that would settle the issue – they proceed to ignore the £200,000 study and devise their own scheme to go underground from Stephens Green to Broadstone, costing an extra £300m. Without – costing £400m.
As a result of more delays & planning ahead, EU funds of £114million for the project must be used elsewhere around the country.
CIE are left to pick up the pieces and start planning some sort of underground system.1998 Nov – Public inquiry into Tallaght line is held in just over 20 days and findings published before end of year.
1999 March – after 3 further months, O’ Rourke gives the go ahead at last for Tallaght (Line A)
It begins work in Feb of 2000, and is to be finished by Feb 2003.1999 Nov – go ahead given for Line B, it is to start work in early 2000 and be finished by June of 2003.
1999 – At this stage planning is still going on for Line C to Connolly and 6 Ballymun routes are being considered and planned (still)
The cost of the project (I think the 3 lines we have now) is £671million which translates into the 700 and something million euro that Min Brennan speaks of today.
Also in 1999 test holes are bored in the city centre to accertainsoil types for underground- findings reveal theres a lot of rock down there – hence likelyto mean more money please.At this stage however it is hoped that with the lines under construction at last – when they are finished – public and political perception will sway massively in favour over overground link from Green to North, and hence no underground will be needed – hence little work to date has been carried out on the underground option.
1999 December – Public inquiry is carried out for Line C and judge rules in favour of residents of IFSC that the line must stop at Store St until an alternative link to Connolly is found – hence bye bye ramp later on.
2001 – Finsihing projections of project are moved back to Christmas of 2003.
2002 – Finishing projections are moved back again to June 2004
2003- Finishing projection for one line (I think Tallaght) is moved to July/August 2004.
2003 16thSept – Red Cow officially becomes the laughing stock of Europe.
Even Marian Finucane picks up on the stilts/Simpsons mono-rail similarities.GrahamH
ParticipantThe best feature of Victoria Baths was the green ceramic balustrading on the stairs, fantastic.
GrahamH
ParticipantIt was archeologically (spelling) examined in the 19th century but was’nt ‘reconstructed till the 60s – indeed it’s value was noted in the 18th century.
The limestone ‘cladding’ in the central section is purposely a different material to the rest to make note of the fact that nobody knows what the front and ‘roof box’ (where the sun comes in) originally looked like, its guesswork.
It’s extraordinary to come up to an international monument, and find it’s main front looking like the facade of a bungalow blitz house, further added to by 60’s balustrading over the entrance stone.
Its almost charming its so bizarre.GrahamH
ParticipantMonday 15th Sept.
Was anyone else knocked out with incredulity at the Northern Irish Lissen House coming second in the polls yesterday?
For those who did’nt see it, Victoria Baths came first, with Lissen second (can’t remember 3rd)
I never knew sympathy votes could be so effective – because this was clearly one of those!
People on ‘the mainland’ are usually so alien to Northern Ireland in every respect.I was raging that Victoria Baths won, they did’nt need the money – one way or the other the local autority would have stumped up the cash as a result of all the hype & publicity.
Poor old Mavisbank in Scotland was the most deserving, for so many architectural & historic reasons – and the fact that it’s unlikey that such a sum is otherwise going to be made available to it.
And Lissen House certainly won’t either, it’s staircase was amazing and so important.
Victoria Baths was extraordinary too, but should’nt have won, it could have got all the money it wanted regardless.
GrahamH
ParticipantPrimetime have a special report on the Luas tomorrow evening – Tuesday – at 9.30 on RTE 1
GrahamH
ParticipantNow the staple of the parade, that massive yellow sun that floats through the streets will have to go.
What a pity.
Interestingly, all the delaying and messing around about Luas not going overground between Stephen’s Green and O’ CllSt has at least saved – if thats the word – the parade along this part – College Green & Westmoreland etc.GrahamH
ParticipantThanks everyone.
GrahamH
ParticipantGot reply – they’re on holiday until mid-Sept, we’ll have to wait.
GrahamH
ParticipantThanks phil – nice to know that I’m not the only nosey one here!
I’ve just mailed them.
GrahamH
ParticipantThere is an amazing amount of information in that book – well assembled as you say emf.
The timeframes for O’ Connell St and the Spire are hilarious now.
GrahamH
ParticipantWhat so annoyed me about what Bertie had to say was that – well – he had nothing to say!
As usual!
He is now what Pat Rabitte appropriately terms ‘the vox-pop Taoiseach’.
He made a stray, inconclusive remark about being in favour of one-off housing, failed to develop it in any way, made no mention of how much one-off housing, or where – he said just enough to appease farmers and ‘country-folk’ whilst not elaborating on anything else, creating yet another of his trademark bland and unprovoking ‘thoughts for the day’.The arguement that so many farmers are putting forward – that their children can’t afford a house so they want to give them some land to build one themselves – is utter lunacy.
Such an arguement then means that short term economic conditions, ie high house prices, act as an accepable reason to build a permenent structure on the landscape, that will be there for years and years and years.
Can you imagine that if every time high house prices had prevailed over the past 200 years, that houses would be built all over the countryside for poor farmer’s children – can you just imagine the state of the place – or rather just look 100 years from now and imagine!- AuthorPosts