GrahamH
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That’s great news for Pearse St.
I don’t agree that the Nassau St railings are unfortunate, they make a magnificent statement whilst not being overly fortress-like.
What would have been unfortunate is a rubble stone wall which Trinity could equally have built around its grounds in the 19th century.Nassau St is one of a kind in the city centre by having buildings on just one side with railings/green views on the other (other than the squares) with the railings generating a unique character and quality to the street, indeed they are something of a landmark.
Where railings should be removed and retail installed is around the other side, on Pearse St, which drastically needs development – indeed it’s surprising Trinity of all people even bothered to put repros around here.On a barely related topic – does anyone know what that building is outside the window of the cafe in that ridiculous Referendum Commission ad on the telly?
It looks like the Museum Building but the stone window detail is different and there’s no big windows facing it, so short of them going to Venice to shoot the thing does anyone what/where it is – Dublin or elsewhere in the country?
Sorry but it’s really annoying me – something of a minor (nervous laugh) pastime recognising buildings from details!What in the name of all that’s sane….???!!!!
What the heck are they thinking – they’re unbelieveable!
A couple of mobile phone antennae and a dish or two and they’ll be complete!
I dread to think what a wide view of the bridge is like, not least from the Millenium Bridge, which was bad enough without these additions.What a mess, and the advertisers will be along soon too to fill up the glass cases.
Heres guessing he’ll have a chin-stroking stroll down memory lane out in Glasnevin as part of his Kew Gardens prog on Friday; last weeks was excellent – even if Dan Cruikshank had covered half of it before just a few months earlier!
That’s just it Peter – suddenly everyone is able to pronounce Diarmuid, and he purposely always let them call him Dermot before – even continuity announcers.
Someone’s had words…The jangly bell works by telling you a tram is nearby, but the traditional manual hooter is even more effective for up-close obstructions.
Why has ‘Diarmuid’ suddenly been adopted, everyone on British telly called him Dermot for years – does the oirish work better with the green fingered brigade?
I took a quick detour this evening on the way home – unfortunately couldn’t find it in that square bounded by the aforementioned streets – but it could be elsewhere, like where Rory says further north.
Good luck searching, suppose the easiest thing is to ask someone in the area – like those obligatory kitchen-chair-on-the-doorstep-women who sit to make strangers feel uncomfortable.It works 🙁
Certainly development here will drastically alter the character of Nassau St – hard to imagine it at the moment with buildings on both sides.
Where would the railings fit into this scheme if retail units were to built on the ground floor?
Although, the height of the wall at present prevents any decent perspective of the grounds for even the tallest of people, so it’s not as if we’d be loosing sweeping views of greenery – but still.As always it depends on the nature of development and its design – to state the obvious.
If you’re extra-especially nice to me I might just take a wander over there on Thursday and see if it’s where I think it is.
Otherwise I remember seeing the picture of the general area from 1847 I have (allbeit somewhat before your Mum’s time) in Pat Liddys ‘Dublin’ book in Easons or some other bookshop, it’s on sale all over the place.
Just look at any modern map of Dublin, or rather the street index and you’ll find if it’s still there now.
The Dublin Directory from 1850 which is always handy turns up results on-line – a painter, musician, a person who’s occupation isn’t listd and appropriately for here – an architect, were just some of the residents in 1850.The Ntl Archives on Bishop St will give you census records for when your Mum lived there if you want to bring back memories of the neighbours 🙂
Hello – I’m looking at a map from as far back as the 1830s and as Phil says Hogan Place was indeed Wentworth Place, and well built-up at that.
And looking at a completely modern map (ie from 1980!) I’m glad to tell you that Wentworth Terrace still exists in some form or another. Unfortunately it’s only listed in the street index rather than the map, but it nonetheless indicates that it’s probably sandwiched in the square bounded by Hogan Place, Holles St, Lr Mount St and Grattan St – likey to be leading off Hogan Place itself.
Also, an illustrated map from 1846 shows the area built up with Georgian houses of at least two, most three storeys.
This is actually a really nice part of town, around the canal there -must take a wander round some day again…
Anyway – hope this helps!Forgot – the new bins have arrived. You wanted minimalist – you got minimalist!
Very nice, with large capacity, but loads of them weren’t levelled and are balanced at the most ridiculous angles on the new drainage slopes.And a new bike-park has been put on the median at the Abbey junction – not that it stops you know what.
Agreed – it’s not as if it’s a major blemish on the streetscape.
I also agree that structures should not be preserved soley for history or their age where they impinge on projects that serve ‘the common good’.
One may percive this statue as being cheap and of poor quality but sure that’s always been the nature of religious imagery in Ireland – we have always just accepted it. Replacing it with something abstract or ‘of merit’ would be contrived in the extreme.
It is small, insignificant and representative of Irish life moreso than any other statue on the street (unfortunately including the PVC)
And as the IAP highlighted the last thing wanted prevailing on the street is nausiating ‘good taste’.
What double standards would be demonstrated by the removal of something that still has meaning for people that is ‘tacky’, whilst allowing golden arches and palm trees to proliferate but a few doors away.Just on the theme of religious iconography – there’s a house across the road from Stanaway Park with the boxroom window converted into a Marian shrine, with what appears to be an MDF room created around her, with flowers, candles – the lot, and lit from above with a 1000w floodlight – quite scary really.
There’s probably a button on the gatepost you can press to light her up on payment of 20c.😀
He was electioneering outside Pearse Station the other day with the troops in his P Flynn inspired pin-stripe – needless to say the last thing one needs to see at 8.30 in the morning.
Lets all march on City Hall and demand a meeting with Royston!
That’s scary – it even looks like Spingfield’s Town Hall!Who gives two hecks if it’s tacky – its part of the history of the street and part of the history of Ireland.
It is as much part of the street’s history as the Happy Ring House neon signs.Just as O’ Connell as the ‘Liberator’ had his part in the country’s history and the Catholic Commercial Club a few doors up, and is represented on the street, Sir John Gray did too whether people like it or not, and Larkin and William Murphy – and the Catholic Church, albethey of varying prominence.
Removing such a statue smacks of PCness of the decidedly irritating variety. And whatever about the rest of Ireland moving on, there is still a devout community in this area of central Dublin – what a crude slap in the face it would be to remove it.
Its accociation with surviving the Civil War is reason enough for its retention, just like a damaged keystone or similar would be salvaged from a building and displayed, regardless of its asthetic value.
Its horrible modern casing should be removed however – it is of no provenance or relevance and will look terrible when/if the trees are removed.The Earlsfort Terrace route seems the best option for buses.
What is important for the newly pedestrianised area is that it reinforces the demarcation between the island effect of the Green in relation to the roadway rather than simply creating a sprawling spilling over effect from Grafton St to the entrance to the Green.
It could be potentially messy to have the roadway coming from Merrion Row with the Green clearly defined all the way along, and then to have it stop at a dead end with acres of granite replacing it after Dawson St. There is a nice avenue atmosphere along the Green North at the moment that would be a shame to loose.At the entrance to Grafton St I propose a vast baroque water feature of carrera marble featuring Neptune holding aloft a giant bowl from which water would spill over bronze mermaids and maidens, in turn flanked by 16 storks jetting water into sea-shells held by groups cherubs – all in honour of Mr Clerkin himself.
The perfect partner to the Stephens Green Centre 🙂
Oh she’s there alright – there only yesterday entertaining the hoards of tourists who have decended on the capital in the past two weeks 🙂
Jesus must be mortified incased in his PVC there – this is the only aspect of the statue that should be changed (the PVC that is!)
And a last thing on a water feature – yesterday was roasting, with a fantastic atmosphere in the city centre for anyone who was there, with the Boardwalk packed (with not enough seating) and as usual O’ Cll St a few degrees hotter than the rest of the city.
It would have wonderful to be able to sit at a waters edge on the street and have a Tangle Twister – no a Brunch, they’re nicer – and enjoy the sun instead of wearly plodding along in the heat.Water brings life and energy to urban spaces – one need only look at the atmosphere created by the small features in the Green alone. Maintenance really is not an issue – esp with tiled, efficient designs.
And on O’ Cll St yesterday virtually every tree on the median had bikes chained to them, with one tree having 4 attached! And people had to weave in and out of motor bikes there were so many behind the John Gray statue – and all this despite the new temporary park besdie the Spike.
This has got to stop.Yep – and the Spike will be covered in graffiti within a week
If such logic was applied to the tossing of a couple of crisp packets into the fountains of Trafalgar Square, they would never have been erected.
Come on Paul – a weekly scoop across the suface with a net, a fish down for a few cans and a couple of tablets of chlorine – I’d do it myself.
