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I got a photograph of the offending hole left after the core sample was taken and I have attached it below. Also while I had the opportunity to got behind the reredos in St. Colman’s I got shots of the five medallions on the floor – also attached. Aren’t they beautiful?:)
Well it appear that Prof. O’Neill considers himself the ‘finest architect’. He said at the hearing that if Pugin himself were asked to draw up these plan he would probably have come up with something like that produced by himself. Such modesty.
He also said that when he looked at the altar rail he was convinced that no architect was involved as they were ‘unresolved’.Another “Low Light” of the three days in Midleton was when the Trustees of St. Colman’s announced that they had taken core samples from the mosaics in the Sanctuary and the Predella behind the altar rails in order to prove that they could lift these and replace them again as per their new plan which was drawn up to satisfy the DoEHLG Appeal. It emerged that that little escaped was undertaken in the dead of night and without either Planning Permission or even a Declaration. Wonder how the Dept feel about this bit of civil law breaking? More later.!!!
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Hearing into Cobh cathedral plans
The Irish TimesAn oral hearing by An Bord Pleanála into the controversial re-ordering of the interior of St Colman’s cathedral, Cobh, gets under way in at the Midleton Park Hotel, Co Cork, tomorrow. Three days have been set aside to hear submissions. Six parties have lodged appeals against the decision by Cobh Town Council last September to grant planning permission to the trustees of the cathedral for the re-ordering of the interior of the cathedral. Fr James Killeen, spokesman for Bishop John Magee of Cloyne, who is behind the interior design plans for the cathedral, yesterday declined to comment on the hearing. Among the objectors are the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government, An Taisce, the Irish Georgian Society and Friends of St Colman’s Cathedral.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0227/4123597307HM2CATHEDRAL.html
On a point of information. There are four appellants to the planning decicion of Cobh Town Council, not six. In some newspapers, the Arts Council and the Trustees of St. Colman’s are being named as appellants when in fact the Arts Council was asked by An Bord Pleanala merely to comment on the proposal and the Trustees of St. Colman’s are the Applicants. But then one doesn’t expect too much accurate information from the media. On of them makes a mistake and the others take it up like lemmings.:rolleyes:
In 2002, Cardinal Egan of New York ordered the Jesuits who staff the historic St. Ignatius Church in Manhattan (below) to halt a proposed “renovation” of the Church which would have removed the Communion rail and moved the altar into the nave, among other changes in a $3M project.
Although the Jesuits’ proposed ‘renovation’ had received the approval of the archdiocesan officials, Cardinal Egan stepped in and stopped the work.
In a letter to the priest of the parish, Rev. Walter F. Modrys, dated March 6th 2002, he rejected the sanctuary proposal, saying it was unwarranted and harmful to the Church’s tradition.
Oh, to have such a church leader in Ireland.
Had the promoters of this wrecking had their way, they would have cleared the sanctuary completely. Two things inhibited them, 1 a covenant that had seen signed with the Heritage Council in 1995 – though this on its own wouldn’t have stopped them for long; and 2, the Bishop was forced to make a very public commitment to a very angry group of parishioners in 1998 that the reredos and tabernacle would not be moved. However I do believe that if they get away with this they will begin to scheme to get around both the promise to the people and the covenant with the Heritage Council,- who have been completely silent so far regarding this planning application.Obviously the only remaining intact Gothic Revival Cathedral in Ireland is none of their business!!!!:mad:
Luzarches – did you know that Milan is the reason for the current proposals for Cobh. A former Administrator of the Parish visited Milan and fell in love with the reordered sanctuary and returned with the great idea that this could be done in Cobh, even though St. Colman’s is half the size of Milan cathedral. Even though he is no longer in Cobh, he is still the principal promoter of this scheme and will do anything and everything to get his way.
Attached are what are described as Altar Cards from the Honan Chapel, which featured in the book ‘The Honan Chapel’ edited by Virginia Teehan and Elizabeth Wincott Heckett.
Are they the same thing?
@Praxiteles wrote:
Barton-upon-Irwell, Manchester
Attached is a detail from the wall paintings of the Chancel depicting the adoration of the Lamb. On the left, E.W. Pugin is depicted holding a plan of the church.
Fortunately, this interior has survived almost perfectly intact. We should be grateful to English Heritage for that. They could teach our mick mouse heritage protection outfit in Ireland a lesson or two – especially as far as the heritage officer on Co. Cork is concerned.
A clearer image of the wall painting showing E.W. in medieval dress holding a plan of the church. The painting is by J. Alphege of Hardman and Co., Birmingham, c. 1868.
When one thinks of the time and craftsmanship involved in the above mosaic, it is beyond comprehension that, on a whim, it might be destroyed forever.
Can Ireland afford such waste?@Praxiteles wrote:
This used to be the chapel in St. Patrick’s College, Thurles. To-day, there are no clerics to occupy it.
Are you surprised???
🙁 Is there no end to the woes of A.W.N. Pugin’s formerly magnificent Killarney Cathedral. A fire on Sunday night has completely burnt the chalk altar in the Blessed Sacrament chapel. The altar, in the eastern transept was on the only sections of the cathedral left untouched by the disastrous “renovations” , carried out by Bishop Eammon Casey in the early 1970’s.
It appears that Prof. O’Neill can disregard the level of opposition to the proposed reordering on the grounds that the survey and signature campaign, which resulted in the 24,127 people stating their opposition, was undertaken before he produced the present plans. This is despite the fact that the basic plan is the same, ie extending the sanctuary into the nave; remove altar rails; digging up mosaics; introducing new furnishing into the Cathedral; in fact his plans are even more radical than those first shown which produced such decisive and angry opposition from the people of Cobh and Cloyne Diocese
Nice piece today in the Sunday Business Post.
Vatican refuses to intervene in Cobh Cathedral Argument
By Kieron WoodThe Vatican has refused to intervene in the row over proposals to remodel St Colman’s Cathedral in Cobh.
Bishop John Magee of Cloyne travelled to Rome two weeks ago to enlist the aid of the curia in pushing through controversial proposals to “reorder” the sanctuary of the Pugin cathedral which dominates Cobh harbour.
Bur Cardinal Francis Arinze, the Nigerian prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, told Magee that it was up to the bishop to persuade local people of the merits of his proposal.
In 1998, Magee told a public meeting that no changes would be made without the consent of parishioners. Although more that 24,000 people signed a petition opposing the suggested changes, the bishop lodged a planning application last July.
At the time, Magee said that the proposed changes had been “submitted by me to the relevant congregation in Rome and received its approval”. But protesters argued that the changes were not mandated by Church law or by the Vatican. Magee travelled to Rome on January 24 with Monsignors Denis Reidy and James O’Donnell. At the bishop’s request, the three met Arinze and three officials of his congregation.
The diocese said the liturgical ordering of churches was the responsibility of the diocesan bishop, so approval by the Vatican was not necessary.
Cobh Town Council granted permission for the changes last September, despite more than 200 objections from individuals and groups. An appeal was lodged in October. An Bord Pleanala was due to announce its decision on February 13, but has now agreed to an oral hearing, which will be held on February 28.
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqid=11588-qqqx=1.asp
@Praxiteles wrote:
Word has it on the grapevine that the Heritage Council, when asked to make a submission to an Bord Pleanala about Cobh Cathedral, commissioned words from one RICHARD HURLEY. We have already seen his boring and repetative work earlier in this thread and can appreciate the architectural school out of which he works. While we can only guess at this stage what he had to say about Cathal O,Neill’s proposals for St. Colman’s, I will hazard a guess that Richard will not find much amiss about them. The French would give this as a good example of how to menager les choux avec le chevre!!!!!!
Praxiteles, I think you mean the Arts Council !!
