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ParticipantSome interesting facts about the creative economy on this thread:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=39725#post39725
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantEddie Hobbs has celebrated the end of his spectacularly sucessful Rip Off Republic TV series….
As if to emphasise the point, last night the European Commission criticised Ireland’s failure to move against restrictive practices in many professions. It laid particular emphasis on law and architecture, but the list of restricted entry and excessive fees is very much longer.
That was a quote from the Irish Independent newspaper only this week. The European commission is looking at monopolies that exist within the economy today. The recent Eddie Hobbes program on TV, has raised many an issue about the times and culture we live in. On that vein, I decided to dig up some information, which might throw a light on architecture and design of the environment. I came across a useful text, called, ‘The Creative Economy’, written by John Howkins in 2001. His book deals with several areas of the creative economy, such as music, software, film, design, advertising, fashion, theatre, research and development, TV and Radio and Video Games. I found what Mr. Howkins had to say about architecture, interesting and useful, to say the least.
Government sources are patchy. In spite of their statements about the importance of the creative economy and the Internet’s ‘new economy’, most governments remain fixated with traditional manufacturing and services. They have a sound reason for their bias. They depend mostly upon manufacturing, less upon services and hardly at all upon intellectual property for their tax revenues. This problem affects not only domestic output but also international trade. The export and import of most creative products are absent from the trade statistics because they are not subject to customs and excise taxes.
Considering that Ireland is in the process of losing its traditional manufacturing base, in the next 5 years, I think it would be important for the Irish government to take a long and hard look at how the creative economy has been monopolised in Ireland, by the backwardness of it’s professions. These professions are mainly in the job of importing vast quantities of intellectual property from abroad in the form of young designers and technicians. While this has been good in general for the economy, it has also underlined the poverty of our attempt in Ireland to train our own people. Young people who should be charged with the responsibility of driving the creative economy here in Ireland. At a critical time in our development as a nation, when we will seriously have to look at the alternative ways to provide jobs.
We need to review the nature of monopolies, whether public or private. As we have seen, intellectual property can be owned, possessed, rented and licensed in almost as many ways as can physical property. The salient points are the mechanisms by which the product is exchanged and traded. The most fundamental are whether access is open or closed; if closed, the nature and length of the restrictions; and, if payment is required, its nature (none; by negotiation; or by a non-negotiable, statutory license).
I mean, if you wrap up professions like architecture here in Ireland, in monopolies like the RIAI, you have to expect a very negative impact on the economy, sooner or later. It is currently too difficult for young people ‘to break into’ careers in those areas. There are simply too many horseshit restrictions to opportunity. When I was doing interviews for internship in Dublin at many architectural firms, in the late 1990s, I was denied access on account of not having ‘enough computer experience’. The problems continued inside the workplace as I noticed young professionals were restricted use of, or denied essential digital augmentation tools such as CAD and basic IT resources.
We need to look at how we provide employment in the creative sectors of the economy here in Ireland. I don’t know if our current administration has any foresight, views or solutions in that regard. It would be hard for them to fathom this, I think, given they come from a time and a place where manufacturing, or even agriculture, was the mainstay of economic prosperity. The situation in regards to creativity and its proper management, has deteriorated in Ireland for a long, long time. The responsibility was intrusted to too many small cosy monopolies, like the RIAI, who could not and still cannot see the economic potential of what they were in control over. You only have to look at the recent scandals like the Irish Abbey Theatre to know what I mean. In my own experience, I have seen many creative professionals shoved to the side, when they could be integrated better into the mainstream and used to drive innovation and development. I really think, a new department and minister should be appointed for this field alone. Because at the moment, the issue is being avoided rather than confronted. I am interested in peoples’ views on this matter.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
Architects provide the creativity that fuels the building and construction industry, which is the world’s fifth largest industry after defense, education, health and food. Their artistic and economic role varies widely from the top handful of prizewinning architects to who design the world’s most prominent buildings to the hundreds of thousands of architects, surveyors, builders and owners who design and construct the remainder.
Architecture is a copyright business as opposed to a patent or trademark business. An architect’s sketches are protected by copyright, as are the scale drawings and models and all the artistic and literary works and designs involved in the process and creation up to and including the building itself. Architects often retain copyright in their buildings although they may transfer it to a contractor or license a contractor to make copies. The person who buys or rents a new house does not normally acquire copyright in it.
Architecture has the distinction of being the most truly international of the fifteen industries, partly because it does not rely on words and partly because it has achieved its own global iconography that is independent of any single nation or culture. Even governments that restrict cultural imports in other sectors are happy to appoint foreign architects to deal with buildings of the greatest national and cultural sensitivity. The French, probably the most culturally exclusive of all industrial nations after the Japanese, asked Briton Richard Rogers to design the Center Georges Pompidou at Beauborg and the Chinese-American I.M. Pei to redevelop the Louvre. Los Angeles-based Frank Gehry designed the new Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao in the Basque country, and Spain’s Rafael Moneo has designed Houston’s Museum of Fine Art. The German government asked Briton Norman Foster to design its new Reichstag in Berlin; and Kisho Kurokawa was asked to build a new wing for the Netherlands’ prestigious van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.
Worldwide there are about one million professional architects who have combined revenues of about $40 billion. Of the top thirty firms in terms of revenues, America and Japan have twenty between them, with Britain in third place.
In the US, the 17,000 member firms of the American Insititute of Architects had gross revenues of $24 billion in 1999 and net revenues (excluding subcontracted work) of $17 billion. Average profits were 13 per cent. These firms employed 115,000 licensed architects, 20,000 interns, 30,000 other technical staff and 20,000 administrative staff.
UK architects’ revenues are £1.6 billion, of which £1.25 billion comes from British clients and the remainder from overseas. The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) estimates there are 30,000 practising architects. Together, they account for about 22 per cent of the fees earned by all building professionals and about 2 per cent of all expenditure on construction.
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ParticipantI may as well link this old 2003 thread here, as some people seem to like it even still:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2209
Basically, some stuff I wrote on Architects and the digital revolution.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantThats good to know, interesting.
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ParticipantMoved this post here:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4308
Fully ‘debugged’.
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Participantare there specific issues that aren’t being addressed by the media or are architects just being portrayed as high brow designers for rich people
It is all about finding a niche in the market, someplace, where you can rule supreme. There is one very successful small practice, whose work I am really jealous of,… but I have to say, there is this program on TV, called Nip, Tuck, about plastic surgeons working in Florida. I often think about that Dublin architectural practice, when looking at the TV program, and how they take really old and decrepit buildings, and make them look a million dollars. I mean, if I had the money, I would be on the phone to that practice in the morning, pleading for an appointment. Part of the reasons for being a success or not, in architecture, is related very much to how you present yourself. Every successful architect, or firm, I have heard speak, in a talk about architecture, presents themselves and their story, in their own unique way. But, you know instantly, the ‘character’ suits the product they are selling. There can only be one ‘Nip, Tuck’, Irish architectural practice, as far as I am concerned, and most people ‘in the know’, may know who I am refering to also. 🙂
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantWe have ‘top heavy’ planning code in Ireland, too much at the high end, and nothing at the low end – except for the ‘Building Regulations’. The Building Regulations, served to join Architectural Draughtspeople together with planners, but not Architects and Planners. Built into the notion of ‘Building Regulations’, is a negative association, to do with unfortunate Technicians, re-visiting their built work, to notice something they are held liable for – and then perhaps, getting fired by their employer! The Buildling Regulations have failed, in one way, because they have not forced Architectural professionals to think. In short, the Reg’s did pave the way for Architects to commit much larger atrocities – confident, they are covered by the Building Regulations. The retail boxes placed all along Capel Street bridge, is a classic example of this.
The low end, is exactly where you need your code to be thorough, in order to generate the ‘beer garden’ idea you spoke of. You can see, something emerging in inner suburban Dublin, Ranelagh and Churchtown, two village centres that spring to mind – which isn’t very well regulated either. The project to contribute better fine-grained code, seems to be orphaned by planners at the present. You are aware of this, when you look at Cow’s Lane, and it’s failure to take off as anything sucessful. Too many bars and restaurants, having been allowed to happen, before the Cow’s Lane end, had gotten off the ground. This is a mistake, as that end of the Temple Bar region, always had much more to offer, than in it’s current state. Just like the West of Ireland was under developed or poorly developed, compared with the East. The planning system in Ireland has a lot of trouble, working with these things, due to a ‘forking’ of the sourse stream. Architects and Planners, should have a fat pipe of communication between each other, and should overlay, their respective solutions, to find where the gaps are – in time as well as space. I don’t know exactly, how one regulates to create that fat pipe for communication, but I hope it happens soon. In the third level spatial design faculties perhaps? Here is a quote from from Jet-Li’s latest movie, ‘Unleashed’.
Get ’em young, and the possibilities are endless!
Planners using their code to define things, and architects using their drawings. That is the only difference between the two traditions, and it is silly how neither one talks to the other. Both should learn to speak the others language, from a young age. That is really how Ireland is going to see progress, on the environmental front, I am sure. I try, today, to see the integration of these systems as the top priority. I would like to see more people undertaking design work here in Ireland, to view their task in the same hybrid way. This is really needed, ‘to get the max’ from your investment in any project – from a long term social, financial and environmental point of view. It was interesting lately, to hear Merit Bucholtz speak of Manhattan as a sustainable environment, on a radio talk show programme. Manhattan, is getting better as a sustainable environment, it would seem. Can the same be said of Dublin, Cork, Limerick or Galway nowadays? Manhattan you should remember, was regulated to a very strict pattern, repeated across a whole pennisula. In some ways, like the Aran Islands field system, was also a ‘coded landscape’.
I would tend towards the other extreme of planning rules, allowing just about anything anywhere with restrictions on the locations of very noisy or smelly businesses.
Take the tax on chairs on side walks for instance, a necessary measure at the fine-grained level of the planning system. It was needed to ‘patch up’ another badly executed piece of urban design code – pedestrianisation. Having given the business folk here in Dublin, pedestrianisation, their response was to think of a street as a ‘free piece of property’ outside their door – to be used to generate a revenue windfall – like the Quays pub on New Square, Temple Bar so painfully demonstrates today. What is more, the newly pedestrianised street became this piece of land, upon which no further liability was accumulated, or need for it’s management. It was liked ‘Manna from Heaven’, and yet, there is was, written straight into our source code! Pedestrianisation holds no effective financial obligation, on the part of the business trader, towards up keep and management of the space, despite greatly inflating revenue stream! That is why I think, pedestrianisation, is such a useless piece of code. Allowing the Property Team, as in Auctioneer, etc, to divert massive revenue out of the space, and into the pockets of a few rich bankers. The whole system, has not been fully thought out from beginning to end. But I think, that is our friend, the ‘Invisible Hand’, the hand of human greed, intervening here again:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4223
Now we are talking about joining Henry Street and Grafton Street, with one massive pedestrian plaza on Westmoreland Street! This issue still isn’t put to bed, by any manner of speaking, as the problems with the northern end of the Millenium Bridge, clearly demonstrates. Zoe Developments, must know of this loop hole in the planning regulation, a little bit too well, and have sold commercial property to wine bars there, who block most of the pedestrian walking route. It is this forking of spatial design traditions, and consequent lack of granularity in the spatial code, which has given us Temple Bar, as we now know it. Sure the designs of buildings and spaces were ‘well considered’, but who gives a constitutional f***, the code attached to those public spaces was, and still is, complete and utter crap.
What frightens me most, as a ‘would-be’ spatial designer in Ireland, is not my level of ability to undertake an urban project, but I can foretell, too early on, the rotten aftermath of completing such an exercise. A code-based incubation unit, needs to be implemented for these projects, early on in their lives, to allow them to ‘grow’ into something worth doing at all. That is the side of the equation, that Architects are not trained to understand, and furthermore, they refuse to acknowledge. The problem is, that projects have ‘gotten legs’ by the time, they hit the planning authorities desk, and nowadays, have been helped along, by someone called ‘a planning consultant’. Which basically amounts to past, local authority planners, setting up shop on the outside, with an eye on the private sector money pie. Architects, are developing a closer working relationship with the planning profession, but it is not the one we should hope for. The aim is to ‘build large urban projects’, and turn their backs on them later. This is how we ended up with the abortion, that is Temple Bar. Not many of my contemporaries would share my views perhaps, being too busy enjoying their ‘prosperity’. So, all I can really do, is point, to a litter of so-called urban projects, like Zoe developments mess, on the northern end of the Millenium Bridge. As if one, wine-drinking quarter hole wasn’t enough on the south side. There seems to be no stopping the same rash happening on the north side.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantJust cross link it with this thread right here:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=38536#post38536
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ParticipantI agree- the pity being that they will then defer to architects in matters of design.
I would have put this the other way around: Architects defer too much in matters of planning, to the planners. I cannot help, thinking, this cross-over in observation, has something ‘eerie’ about it. As if some ‘Invisible Hand’ were reaching out, the hand of greed perhaps? The characters involved in that process, have sucked too much ‘speedy’ reward from the environment. For those people, it was more profitable, to see Planners and Architects in distinct, separate enclosures. Their profit margins sky-rocketed, every time, an Architect and Planner duked it out, on some street corner or some small bothereen in the country, and the design professionals lost what benefit they could hope to gain. I think this ‘forking’, has left the respective traditions, in a state of both financial and creative poverty. Neither side being capable, of striking ‘a decisive blow’, on behalf of the environment or it’s inhabitants. With some exceptions, the only time an architect and planner meet today, is to have a scrap. I am sure, you can remember several incidents, and have black eyes, or even scars to remember the incident by. It would be ironic, not to say the least, typical, that a major cause of the problems, has nothing to do with design, but with a lack of ability to talk to one another.
As a planning student I have to say my biggest disappointment and constant complaint about the course (undergraduate) is the poor level of architectural and design studies. There is a huge focus on sustainability, ecology, natural resources managment etc but very little effort put into developing a knowledge of good and bad architecture. I think this is a mistake. I think a planner has to be able to have a critical opinion on a new development, to be able to appreciate the good elements of a building and to recognise the bad elements. I think most planning students probably leave college without the ability to even communicate with an architect.
That is quite funny actually, as in my posting right here:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3522&page=4
I refered to the architectural education systems, lack of awareness of the planning profession in Ireland,… and in practice later on too, it can sometimes take young architects, years to even realise that a planning authority exists,… you can spend too much of your career as an architect, completely avoiding the issue. Then when suddenly, you do discover the existence of all this work by planners and the code or regulations they compile,… Architects are often horrified, that so much work has gone on, without their knowing more about it. I feel this problem must be particular in some way to Ireland – I even hear mature Irish architects often, offering a very poor opinion of Irish planners – perhaps based on ignorance, rather than understanding and appreciation. Planning code, is the kind of stuff, that seems to fry an Irish Architect’s brain, far too easily. Mostly from a total lack of exposure to it, in their daily lives. You see all the unfortunate implications of this, in crucial and sensitive sites in Dublin city now, being ‘planned out’, as it were, by planning consultants rather than architects. Architecture in Ireland, is really now, at a critical ‘low’ ebb, perhaps the lowest in centuries. They don’t seem to know how to drive out of this rut either.
I went a lot into the idea of code and it’s potential to be beautiful on the thread I linked. One particular project we had to do in college, I well remember, was on the Aran Islands. The project was supervised by an architect, who really did have an interest in the ‘synergy’ of planning and architecture. We looked at the environment of the Aran Islands and it’s field system, which, in photographs I always, see, is like a highly regulated code. It was most probably, a code, that everyone must have agreed upon, as the best way to ‘survive’ in such a brutal and harsh environment. I guess, that is why she tried to make the point to us young architects, that the Aran Islands was so special, in a similar way, to how I talk about Westmoreland Street as a laboratory for Irish Planners. The trouble was, I think, most of the young architecture students brains, did ‘fry’ on the Aran Islands project – as this notion of living in a ‘coded’ landscape, such as the Aran Island, rocked our naive little sense of security, in the containment of a profession, a little too much. Later though, we did try to experiment, on some projects for the Dublin Docklands, in which we attempted to create ‘sustainable’ environments, by generating some kind of rule, or code-making, for development ‘to simply happen’ rather than designating it, as in the case of a Master Plan.
Similar examples have been offeredy by Frank Taylor from the planning tradition, here at Archiseek, about how Georgian Squares, were really an initial ‘rule’ that some developer laid out, and everyone just had to follow that rule of using a standard plot and build all around the edges of this square. But just look at the sophistication, embedded in that code for development. It doesn’t specify, the usual ‘Turnkey’ approach, as used in so many Irish Master Planned projects nowadays. But rather, an approach, where the whole design, management and resources for a project, are embedded into the development of the site, from the beginning. Rather than just getting some humungous bank draft, of ‘Easy-Credit’ for the construction stage costs. While I did speak on the linked thread, of humans being the ‘designers’ of everything in the environment,… I am also aware, that code itself can create objects of beauty, just like the computer programmers believe,… and furthermore, that a programmer who believes in his/her inate ability to create objects of beauty, will indeed create much better code source. Unfortunately, I think that code has been abused in the current context of Irelands expansion, as much, or perhaps more than design has been. Like these bits of malware, such as ‘pedestrianisation’ which are used with such abandon and disregard these days. When you compare this with the brute industrial strength of the Georgian’s building code, the difference becomes very apparent, how weak and awful ours really does look now. The arguments were raised on the radio talk show lately, about Section 22, tax designated development, being ‘all about the block’ – which speaks of a problem in the code – of it’s lack of granularity.
A lot of code and planning in the environment these days, is not fine grained enough. You need Architects, firmly embedded into the whole process, of compiling your code, in order to benefit from the said granularity, of the end product. When you do not have that important input, at any stage in the process, the code still gets written in some fashion. But, it is clearly visible now, when you compare treatments of Henry Street, relative to Parnell Street, or Moore Street relative to either of those two streets. This is really why I wanted to ‘introduce’ this debate on code and the environment we live in, as a part of the Westmoreland Street thread,… because we have a historical legacy of being capable of the creation of some very good environments here in Ireland, in the distant past,… it is just a problem nowadays, that neither the Architectural, nor the Planning tradition is sophisticated enough, to fully interpret the sophistsication of the older models. Be it, the Aran Islands inhabitation system, the Georgian Street or the Irish town and village. Sure planners can assimilate some of it, the Architects manage to understand a little more, but without a proper working synergy, of the two traditions, any chance of a total synthesis, is unavailable. It has all got badly garbled somewhere, in the current mess of distinct traditions, distinct professionals and distinct ‘forking’ of the source stream. Finally, I feel that this lack of acceptance, of either one’s presence, at either side of the great divide, is the worst thing that could have happened for the environment here in Ireland. Architects thinking, nothing special can come out of the code,… while planners being guilty, of ‘scripting’ things very badly at times, and excluded too much of the design problem, which we need human eyes to see. Remember, the rallying cry of the open source software movement, that ‘given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow’. Just like silicon intelligence will some day require full senses in order to learn. The Planning code right here in Ireland, will need that too, in the form of Architects. One has to go back to Georgian times here in Ireland, to find a healthy working synergy, between planning and architecture, one that we seem to have ‘lost’ in the meantime.
I will just cap off here, with a description from Rebel Code, of a nearly disasterous ‘forking’ of the Linux code development project,.. a row that exploded publically, on the kernel source code mailing list.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
Large scale forking is generally regarded as a kind of fratricidal civil war, the worst thing that can happen to a hacker community and to be avoided at all costs. Forking is quite different from the ideological differences that exist between the supporters of, say, the original free software movement and the newer open source; it is not only possible but common for people from both sides to work together on a single project. In effect, there may be a rainbow of ideologies involved in a given project. A fork, however, is an either/or matter, and unless the two opposing camps manage to effect a coming together, a process called ‘healing the fork,’ the divergence between them is likely to grow and the gulf become ever more unbridgeable.
One of the most famous forks in the free software world took place in 1993, not in Linux but in Emacs, when a group of hackers decided to start their own Emacs development line, separate from the work led by Richard Stallman. Among the leaders of this group was Jamie Zawinski, who had been involved in free software for many years and was one of the senior figures at the Freeware Summit in April 1998.
The following is a descriptive re-creation of the ‘fork’ that almost occured in the Linux community, back in 1998.
What had begun as a simple question about an obscure bug some forty hours earlier had turned into an increasingly heated argument raging across two continents and ten time zones. Suddenly, Linus has had enough. First, he fires off a shot directed specifically at Dave Miller:
Quite frankly, I just got very fed up with a lot of people. David, when I come back, I expect a public apology from you.
And then adds one for everybody else:
Others, look youself in the mirror, and ask youself whether you feel confident that you could do a better job maintaining this. If you can, get back to me, and maybe we can work something out.
In one last message a couple of hourse later, he first explains why he dropped Ted Ts’o’s patches (and so, by implication, of everyone else’s, too), and then issues one dangerously exasperated statement of annoyance:
Note that if some person cannot be bothered to re-submit, i don’t WANT the patch. Anybody who is not willing to take that much care of his patches that he can’t maintain it while I haven’t accepted it, I don’t want to accept patches from anyway.
The basic point is that I get a_lot_of patches, and I have to prioritize my work. That means that I require people who send me patches to keep at it until they make it into the kernel.
Quite frankly, this particular discussion (and others before it) has just made me irritable, and is ADDING pressure. Instead, I’d suggest that if you have a complaint about how I handle patches, you think about what I end up having to deal with for five minutes.
Go away, people. Or at least don’t Cc me any more. I’m not interested, I’m taking a vacation, and I don’t want to hear about it any more. In short, get the hell out of my mailbox.
From these exchanges, nobody could mistake the dire state of relationships between the key hackers on the kernel mailing list.
A few hours after Linus’s final posting, Eric Raymond added his commments on the situation.
People, these are the early-warning signs of potential burnout. Heed them and take warning. Linus’s stamina has been astonishing, but it’s not limitless. All of us (and yes, that means you too, Linus) need to cooperate to *reduce* the pressure on the cricitcal man in the middle, rather than increasing it.
He points out one central fact for the Linux development process:
Linus is god until *he* says otherwise. Period. Flaming him doesn’t help, and isn’t fair – and you need to have been the key man in dvelopment of a must-never-fail piece of software before you even have standing to *think* about doing it.
But Raymond is also unsparing in his analysis of the broader effects of what has been happening:
Patches get lost. Patches get dropped. Patches get missed. This is bad and wasterful in itself, but it has a secondary effect that is worse – it degrades the feedback loop that makes the whole process work…. The effect of rising uncertainty as to whether good work will make it in at all is certainly worse than that. Anybody who starts to believe they’re throwing good work down a rat hole will be *gone*. If that happens too many times, we’re history.
In other words, Linus’s dropping patches too often was not just inconvenient but undermined the very mechanism that powered the open source development model.
Raymond concludes with a warning couched in characteristically graphic and appropriate terms:
These risks are bound to get worse over time because both system complexity and the developer pool are increasing. And the critical man in the middle – the ‘Jesus nut’ in our helicopter – has a stress limit. We’re going to hit that limit someday. Maybe we’re pushing it now.
He concludes:
I’ve been worrying about this problem for months. (I’m our anthropologist, remember? It’s part of my *job* to notice how the social machinery works and where the failure modes are.) I was reluctant to say anything while it was still theoretical, but I take the above as a neon-lit warning that it’s damn well not any more.
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ParticipantThey have played out many a ‘little battle’ on the walls of that public space, if not the floor of that public space. If you know the right people, and you know what to actually look for, and the in’s and out’s, it is frightening stuff,.. reminiscent of Krushev, banging his shoe on the table, during Kennedy era and the cold war. It is like one side is testing the other side’s ‘resolve’, just like in the Cuban missile crisis etc. I think if this scrap eventually does happen, it is important that both sides are in good enough shape, to have it out properly. There is nothing worse than watching an old Mike Tyson at age 40, just going through the motions. But, I am afraid, that is basically, all that Architects are doing nowadays. Tyson himself summed it up best I think, when he said in his final ring interview, ‘I don’t love this no more’.
That’s a point well made re planning consultation in third level – as an outsider I’m quite shocked this does not happen if what you say is correct. One would expect this to be standard proceedure in any architectural eduction.
I had done many years of my architectural studies, when asked to do my first full planning application. Yeah, I did the planning application alright, but later discovered, the whole process had been made difficult for me, because there was another old geeser in the practice, who used to ‘hide’ all of the planning guideline brochures for the various counties. Apparently, the submission of planning applications ‘was his thing’, and no one elses. Not even a young architect such as myself, tasked with the job, of doing the application, was allowed ‘to know’ too much about what I was doing! I mean, this simple brochure is freely available from an local authority to anyone. But it was 2-3 years later, before I actually figured that out. Call me stupid or something, but I would be surprised, if many of my young colleagues, knew any better at the time. When I speak about ‘giving foundations’ to our young spatial designers, in this country, I am mainly coming from this angle. There is an acceptance, nowadays in Ireland, that Architects are ‘dumb’ about things such as planning regulation. Rather than being where they should be, at the forefront of that field. This is really why, I chose to emphasise my points, so strongly here on the Westmoreland Street thread. Fullest apologises guys, for having mucked up another one of your threads. But someone at least, has to try, to make an issue of this – and sooner rather than later. This is not the ’10 year’ plan kind of thing, an answer does need to be found right now. The best way to think about the Architectural profession at the moment, is in the sense of young Irish men, who were ‘kept back on the family farm’, in rural Ireland. And think, of all the implications, that kind of a ‘father-to-son’ approach, had, for the young people and their development and growth, as individuals.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantYou are wrong about Architects and Planners not ‘having touched it’ in the past 30 years,… it has been the site of many a battle. Instead of ‘having it out’ on Westmoreland Street though, they have scrapped over things, closeby, in areas such as Temple Bar. Every time one side, ‘thinks’ it has gained an advantage, the other side responds quickly with something that will put it down. This reminds me of the Cold War, where Asian Countries inadvertedly, got used for that purpose. My biggest fear, is that the Irish landscape itself, has become a stage for this power struggle. In the aftermath of sagas such as Temple Bar, there is ‘for’ and ‘against’, both sides. You have to place Westmoreland Street within the context of this ‘cold war’ politics. To do otherwise, is to ignore the reality. You have to look at the state the Architectural profession too, and what kind of a ‘battle’ it could hope to mount these days. I reckon myself, that code and the planning tradition have made massive leaps in capability and penetrated deeply, into the system, in the last decade or so. On the other hand, I cannot see a reciprocal advance on the part of the Architects.
Yeah, I do reckon, Architects and Planners were more evenly matched in the 1970s and 1980s, and therefore couldn’t quite decide who ‘would win’ on Westmoreland Street. But following debacles most recently, such as Henry Street and Parnell Street, I would think the matter will get settled shortly. That is the context, in which, I would like people here to consider Westmoreland Street. There are future careers, reputations and respect at stake here, much more than just the sum of all the parts. I was always told in Architecture school, that Architecture is like frozen music. If this is so, then I think, that the only ‘music’ being played at the moment, is by the Planners and by their Planning code. I have added these short few passages, from ‘Rebel Code’, to help further ‘flesh out’ my point.
Unix programming is an art, Raymond believes, because ‘when you do it at a high enough level, there’s a very strong aesthetic satisfaction that you get from writing an elegant program. If you don’t get that kind of gratification, you never join the culture. Just as you don’t get composers without an ear for music, you don’t get hackers without an ability to be aesthetically gratified by writing programs.’ This element of aesthetic gratification perhaps provides the key to explaining one of the missing pieces of Raymond’s otherwise comprehensive explanation of the open-source process.
In a follow-up essay to The Cathedral and the Bazaar, called Homesteading the Noosphere, Raymond explored an apparent paradox at the heart of open-source software: If everyone is free to take the code and modify it, why do major projects like Linux or Apache rarely split, or ‘fork,’ as hackers say, just as the old-style commercial Unixes did? He suggests that peer esteem, the key driving force for people working in the world of free software, explains the effect. He demonstrates well that the dynamics of such a ‘gift economy’ – where prestige is measured not by what you have, but by what you give away – tend to reduce the threat of forking.
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Knuth was born in 1938, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. During a brilliant early career as a physicist and mathematician at Case Institute of Technology – where he was awarded a master’s degree contemporanesously with his B.S. – he became interested in the young world of computer science.
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Knuth summarizes his views this way: ‘Computer programming is an art, because it applies accumulated knowledge to the world, because it requires skill and ingenuity, and especially because it produces objects of beauty. Programmers who subconsciously view themselves as artists will enjoy what they do and will do it better.’
It is in light of the above quote, that you have to see the frustration, of so many young Irish Architects. While the Code has being accelerating on, at an alarming pace, the Architects, merely drop in as it suits. Architects, generally are far too charismatic and charming, to read something like the planning and regulatory code. Yet, they still seem to huff and puff like Billy-o, if the Planning System hasn’t managed to integrate their specific needs into it. I mean, if you refuse to be an integral part of the process, when it comes to the building of a large urban project, as in the case of Group 91 Temple Bar Architects, are you surprised when that system, does not provide you with the necessary service, you expect?
I often wonder about the education process for architects in Ireland too. I mean, when designing something as monumental as an Olympic Swimming Pool for the Docklands, the architectural student usually spends about 5-6 weeks concept-ing, design-ing and present-ing, stuff on boards to show off as their design. Note, the highly personal nature, of the last sentence – It is my design, and how dare you lay your fingers upon it! You see? You actually do get rewarded in the educational process, for coming up with the most individually inspired, ‘totally awesome’ solution. But where in this whole process, is the consultation with a local authority, to see if they have any input? I mean, for heaven’s sake, given the size of an Olympic Swimming Pool, yet we are just going to sit here on our lonesome, and create a grand masterpiece! And yet somehow, the system rewards you for that course of action? I take the point that student projects are meant to be illusionary, without a real-world client very often. But yet, the same exercises are meant to prepare one for the real world. I mean, seriously, how many people could get away with designing an Olympic Swimming Pool for Dublin’s Docklands area, and not meet with a planner at some stage?
This gets me right back to exercises like Group 91 in Temple Bar. Do Architects seriously think they are allowed to just ‘slip things in there’, like large urban renewal projects, and expect that no one will even notice? Yet, you often hear the architects complain about how the local authority ‘got in their way’, or will not let them ‘get on with the job’. This aspiration to plough their own furrow, is not getting the Irish Architectural profession very far, I fear. And still, somehow, the Irish Architectural profession, manages to reward it’s members, for all of the wrong reasons. It is frightening to think, how far we need to go back, to find a time in Ireland, when the Architect was more than just a ‘side-show’ to the whole process. You would have to go back further than the 1960s I would think. The very last straw for me, is noticing all of those site notices around, for crucial sites here in Dublin, where the planning consultants name, has become more important than that of an Architect. This just sends out another discusting message, that Architects have lost another ‘foothold’ in the process.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantJust to expand one last bit, on the comparison, between computer code and planning regulation code,… and the need for a good ‘test bed’ environment, when trying to build that code base,… I have found some quotes in a book called ‘Rebel Code’, a history of the Open Source Software Project named Linux. That open source project, was started in Finland, about the same time I started Architecture, in 1992.
Even though he (Alan Cox, early Linux hacker) always said that his eventual goal was to get rid of FvK’s layering, because it was making things complicated and slow, and didn’t add much in the way of functionality. He started by just making it work. Alan Cox recalls, ‘the first thing I was doing in many cases was cleaning it up… there was actually very little I fixed at the protocol level’ in terms of the basic TCP/IP standards. ‘The protocol stuff was mostly right, it was just everything underlying was a bit flaky and had holes in it.’ Fixing code that ‘was a bit flaky or had holes in it’ was one of Cox’s fortes. ‘Cleaning horrible code up was one thing I appeared to be good at,’ he says, and he soon emerged as Linux’s bug-fixer par excellence. ‘I often figure bugs out in my sleep’, he confesses. As well as debugging and writing new code, Cox also began to assume the important additional role of one of what are often called Linus’s ‘trusted lieutenants.’ These are senior hackers who are responsible for certain areas of the kernel. Their job is to filter patches from other hackers, check them, and then pass them on to Linus. Alan Cox recalls, ‘Fairly early on, people started sending me things’ for the networking code. ‘If there’s anything they’re not sure about, someone would say, ‘I think this is a fix but I’m not sure, what do you think?’
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Once again, what might be called the Linux method is evident: Rather than trying to develop software on the best possible environment – a fast processor, lots of memory, no strange pheripherals – you use an underpowered machine with lots of extras to winkle out unusual bugs. This was the reason Cox had become involved with Linux’s TCP/IP in the first place, where the extreme demands his network set-up made on the code allowed him to find and fix bugs no one else had suspected existed.
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‘I don’t care about the market per se,’ Linus said, ‘but I find it very interesting to see Linux used in different places. Because I think that’s how Linux should be used. Not necessarily should [it] be used in commercial places, but Linux should be able to be used in those places too. I think getting more and different markets show you the weaknesses better of a system, so I expect to get some feedback related to these issues.’ Despite this unwavering concentration on milking every opportunity to improve his code, he, too, gradually began to wage his own marketing campaign. He started speaking at shows and conferences as people’s curiosity grew about GNU/Linux – and Linus.
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He explains why he was willing to go to such efforts to resolve the problem back then in the autumn of 1998. ‘If you look back at my view of how the Unix vendors splintered,’ he says, as explained in his Source-ware proposal, ‘and how that was universally a bad thing for the source base itself, and the product itself, my point of view was the worst thing that you could do to a project is split the source stream. There’s nothing worse. Two leaders, doesn’t work.’
There is good evidence to suggest, that the ‘effort’ is split here in Ireland, between two camps – the planner and the architect,… with neither one capable of coming up with the definitive answer, or even a good working template. Of course, there are additional, smaller parties too, contributing lesser components to the system, which just makes things that little bit more complicated. I mean, this morning, I listened to the news and heard of a brand new ‘Road Safety’ authority that has been created, one with more ‘power’, than the older one. I think the Archiseek movement, itself, is useful, in simulating that harsher environment, in which many ideas, code and end-results can be ‘put to the test’. The aspiration is very noble at least. By the way, there is one universal belief across all Linux contributors, expressed in the following sentence, ‘Given enough eyes, all bugs are shallow’. If those eyes aren’t present, in the form of Architects, involved in the planning process, then I would imagine a lot of bugs are going to prove deeper and much harder to fathom.
I like the ending of the Matrix Movie Trilogy, where Neo decides he needed to become a part of the code in the Matrix itself. I do believe, the task of the Irish Architectural profession, should be, to integrate itself, it’s views and it’s aspirations, into the code making up the Irish Planning System. Although Architects are the first ones to complain about our Planning System, that small and cosy monopoly, is the last to expand it’s ranks, and thereby, provide the resources needed badly, to help to generate the System and Code, they seem to want. Any comments anyone?
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantSince this thread is about Westmoreland Street Brian, what solutions do you offer to this blockage in mindset, practice and efficency of which you speak,…. pertinent to Westmoreland Street?
When I started Architecture in the early 1990s, there wasn’t much publicity about architecture in Ireland. There wasn’t any debate much and there wasn’t any building going on. It was more about ‘the opposite’ of building, the ‘code’ associated with ‘Un-Building’, if I can coin that phrase,… and about de-commissioning of the city, rather than construction of the city. We see that in the respective titles of Frank McDonald’s books, the Construction and the Destruction of Dublin. What there always has been in Ireland, throughout the construction and destruction phases, is a raging battle over the faith of Westmoreland Street. That battle has burned up more resources, man-hours and money, than others I know. Westmoreland Street, has always been, and continues to be, a very useful test-zone, in which the Irish Planning Tradition is able to refine it’s wealth – it’s Intellectual Property – The Irish Regulatory and Planning Laws. This is shown clearly by the ‘nature’ of the following quote:
No doubt Treasury were not advised that there would be so much opposition to this scheme at that particular time and there is little doubt that this case is one of the reasons why Part iv of the act is so comprehensive.
The final product, you see in Westmoreland Street, shows many signs of a war between the Irish Planner and the Irish Architect. As if both were using the opportunity to stake out their territory. I like to compare the Irish Planning Wars that raged on Westmoreland Street, to another epic battle over territorial dominance, the wars between man and machine in the movie called ‘The Matrix’. Using that analogy, I have penned the short piece down below. But I think it is time for Westmoreland Street to cease being, a ‘test-bed’ for the Irish Planning and Regulatory Law, and to become a real life street once again – one which is designed and envisaged by Architects. Not by Planners trying to execute some kind of ‘Code Language’.
Which will it be Neo? The Blue Pill,… or the Red Pill?
The biggest problem with computers, these days, is not their lack of ability to crunch through the most baffling problems in higher algebra or statistics,… but, for all their apparent ‘brain’ power, computers, still can not distinguish between a photo of Bin Laden and a hamburger. I wonder what is going to happen, fifty years from now, when Ireland eventually has the ultimate set of planning and building regulations, but faces the same trouble when looking at a complex urban site. How will the machine ‘know’ what it is looking at – unless it learns to see, as well as crunch through the code? In the face of this question about computers, and similarities between code running on silicon chips, and code designed to regulate the built environment, I think there is a serious question we should be asking. Indeed, a question the Irish Architectural Profession has been avoiding for some time. When faced with building anything on a complex site, why is the first person ‘engaged’ for guidance, a planning consultant rather than an Architect? An Architect, being a person, who is meant to understand real space, more than ‘code space’.
I cannot help but notice the Planning Consultant’s name on the site notices, for many of the ‘difficult’ sites in Dublin. Is the challenge of designing on those sites too much for the older practioners of spatial design? I think the monopolisation of the architectural disipline, has had a ‘knock-on’ effect, whereby, the building code, rather than an Architect, is being used to design our environment. Given the scarcity in the past, of good architects who were fully integrated, into the process of designing the environment,… we have managed to fine tune a system, whereby the environment is laid out, without the intervention of humans at all. There is much evidence of this, in something like pedestrianisation. Pedestrianisation, is a rejection of the need for any human intervention in the design process. Pedestrianisation is a ‘piece’ of code, readily available to the planners, and executed as they deem fit or appropriate, all over the place. They seem almost ‘trigger-happy’ with this particular piece of legislation.
The handy thing about pedestrianisation, of course, is the Irish Planning Tradition owns the Intellectual Property Rights, to execute the code. Because, on streets such as Westmoreland Street, the Irish Planning Tradition has worked tirelessly, and fought many a battle, to get that code written. Given the suffering people must have endured to deliver the code, the Irish Planning Tradition is now very reluctant, not to use that code, whenever and wherever, they see an opportunity. We have already witnessed (the pedestrianisation of) Grafton Street, and Henry Street, explode in all directions. Now, we are in a position, to join up the two! Such is the power of the planning regulation code. I am sorry, but I do not see the necessary opposition to this force, to maintain a balance. It certainly isn’t going to come from the (Irish) Architectural profession, so where will it come from?
I cannot help but be reminded of movies like the Matrix Trilogy, in which the human race awaited the savior, the one that would bring balance. That, someone with the strength of body, mind and soul, to go into head-to-head fist fights, with the code which forms the matrix, and it’s human personification, Mr. Smith. There is this wonderful scene in the final installment of the Matrix Trilogy, where the machines finally locate and invade, the human stronghold, the underground city of Zion,… there the humans are forced to make their ‘last stand’. I cannot help, but be reminded of this scene, when walking down Westmoreland Street,… I can never decide, what I am looking at – the result of a human designer or just another physical personification of the Irish Planning and Regulation Code. Like a famous line from the movie, how deep does the rabbit hole go? Anyone here care to guess? I fear, that pedestrianisation, would push the balance, just too far in the machine’s favour. Okay Architects, now get your mini-guns out!
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantBasically, while I accept the planning profession, does play a crucial role, in programming the code, needed to crunch through the everyday more mundane ‘problem’, to do with the environment we inhabit,… I need also to draw attention to an aspect, of how the Irish Planning Tradition, is growing,… without the sensory capabilities it needs to receive information from the same world they are trying to programme for. The following blurb is about a book, called ‘The Silicon Eye’, by George Gilder.
Known for weaving engrossing stories from material knotted with numbing complexity, Gilder (Telecosm; Microcosm) delves once again into the world of high-tech business, this time focusing on the company Foveon and its efforts to develop a device that will allow digital machines to see as the human eye does. “Computers can perform instantaneous calculus… and search the entire contents of the Library of Congress in a disk-drive database,” he writes. “But they cannot see. Even today, recognizing a face glimpsed in a crowd across an airport lobby, two human eyes can do more image processing than all the supercomputers in the world put together.”
Notice how the kind of ‘human’ perceptive abilities described in the quote, far out-stretch those of the best written code, or the fastest supercomputers on the planet. What worries me about Ireland, is how a huge chunk of that human perceptive ability, is ‘locked’, within an outdated, defunct, and cosy monopoly of spatial designers, known as ‘Architecture’. I have a persistent vision of the Planning System here in Ireland, of this pure unfortunate creature attempting to feel it’s way around in the dark,… rendered immobile, and un-feeling, without a sense of touch, trying to see without a sense of vision, and trying to hear without even rundimentary eardrums.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantNo doubt Treasury were not advised that there would be so much opposition to this scheme at that particular time and there is little doubt that this case is one of the reasons why Part iv of the act is so comprehensive.
In order to point out, how the Irish Environmental Design system, appears to be ‘learning’ at the moment, I am going to draw an analogy from the world of computers. One of the arguments made in relation to computers being really dumb, is to do with, the computer’s lack of opportunity to learn. To learn, as small infant human beings do, from an early age, through the sense of sight, taste, touch, hearing and smell. I want to draw your attention to a certain book, which might be worth reading, if you get the time. The book by George Gilder, is called: The Silicon Eye: How a Silicon Valley Company Aims to Make All Current Computers, Cameras, and Cell Phones Obsolete. The following blurb describes what the book is about.
Known for weaving engrossing stories from material knotted with numbing complexity, Gilder (Telecosm; Microcosm) delves once again into the world of high-tech business, this time focusing on the company Foveon and its efforts to develop a device that will allow digital machines to see as the human eye does. “Computers can perform instantaneous calculus… and search the entire contents of the Library of Congress in a disk-drive database,” he writes. “But they cannot see. Even today, recognizing a face glimpsed in a crowd across an airport lobby, two human eyes can do more image processing than all the supercomputers in the world put together.”
Basically, humans have a very large brain that allows them to do all kinds of things, but also, humans have a brain which is highly connected to the outside world, via the many nerve ends, like eyes, ears, digits with sensory capability, and what not. In order for the Environmental Design Tradition in Ireland to grow and evolve, at a pace sufficient to keep up with the explosion of ‘easy-capital’ and demand for services, facilities and what not,… the Environmental Design system, here in Ireland, has to have ‘the ability to learn’ built into it’s very fabric. The only way to do this, is to allow many more bright young individuals called ‘Architects’ to infiltrate the planning regulatory bodies. You will have to forgive, my scepticism,…. but making ‘part IV of the Act so comprehensive’,… just underlines the poverity of connectedness, our system displays, without the necessary sensory organs that may enable it to learn. The kinds of ‘organs’ that would enable the Environmental Design system to learn over a period of decades, are those like ‘Architecture’ and such,… there needs to be bi-directional communication going on there. That is exactly what happens with the human brain, and organs like the eyeball, the brain talks to the eyeball and visa versa,… it isn’t just ‘one-way’ communication, like we have in the Environmental Design system right now. The Irish Planner, telling the Irish Architect something, or quoting a line of code, and thats it. I must stress the ‘bi-directional’ nature of that communication, because Architects do need to learn from Planners, and Planners, visa versa, need to learn from Architects. I have added my little piece below, as a snipet, a view of the world we live in,… which could be of use to some part of the Irish Planning ‘Brain’.
Dublin City Council, looks set to replicate the ‘Henry Street Approach’, in Westmoreland Street – without analysing the fact, the situation in Henry Street doesn’t work. I experienced Henry Street last night around 10pm, and it was dead as a door nail. Yet, Parnell Street at that time of night was vibrant and felt okay – it is very strange how the bit-flips during the day light hours, as the car invades Parnell Street, and the footfall practically ‘wipes out’ Henry Street,… with poor old Moore Street doing the difficult job of ‘in-between’ space,… where you go for an Afro-Caribbean haircut.
The above little quote, may not seem like very much at all,… indeed it might be garbage, like a lot of the information discarded in ‘real time’ by the human brain, as it goes about it’s daily existence,… but more importantly, what my little quote does represent, is the humble, but sure beginnings of a ‘sensory capability’ within the Irish Planning profession. We need to ‘expose’ the Irish Planning brain, to more of those stimuli. The only feasible way I can think of doing that, is to open up and enlarge the profession of Architecture in this country. Rather than using the profession of Architecture, as an exclusive monopoly, why not use ‘Architecture’, to fill the voids within the Irish planning system, with those sensory capabilities it needs. While I have no doubt that the Environmental Design system here in Ireland, is growing and developing at an astounding rate,… what I always have in the back of my mind, is the story of the Silicon intelligence, the computer chip, and how poverty stricken it’s development has become, through a shere lack of sensory organs. While I can understand, the wishes of a very small elite community in Ireland, to maintain it’s numbers tightly and preserve it’s ‘golden monopoly’,… my problems isn’t that,… but the effect, that this architectural monopoly,… is having on the system-wide growth and development of the Irish Spatial Design ‘brain’.
“Part IV of the act is so comprehensive”.
It is like saying, this dumb piece of computer silicon chip technology, is so clever, because it can run some mundane task, a piece of code, very reliably. But what currently exists in Ireland, just as happened in the world of computers and Silicon, is a growing mass of human-generated ‘code-base’,… but very little basic learning. While the ‘code-base’ of many software firms represents it’s intellectual property, and therefore, it’s actual wealth,… as the Irish Planning Tradition has continued to improve and refine it’s valuable code base,… we should not fall into the same trap, as the dumb piece of silicon. I have no doubt whatsoever, that we are accelerating towards this Nirvana of Spatial Planners – a comprehensive set of planning regulations. But at the end of the day, all you are left with is an ‘intelligence’ simulated by humans beings – as opposed to one which has grown with the benefit of eyes and ears. The eyes and the ears, by the way, are those ‘Precious Licenses’, that are handed out each year by the Irish Architectural system.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantIf one were to attempt to convert any building built as mixed use low intensity retail/living over the shop to 5 star hotel lined up for a major franchise operator very little other than the facade will be of use; with the ground floor dimensions being particularly important in this regard. In contrast it was possible to retain and restore to a very high standard the Victorian banking halls. Facadism is a different issue and probably more related to many of the second generation offices that were badly done on Lower Leeson St in the late 80’s/early 90’s.
The question here is not architectural but relates more to developer perception of what they feel constitutes a realistic re-development opportunity within the accepted rules. No doubt Treasury were not advised that there would be so much opposition to this scheme at that particular time and there is little doubt that this case is one of the reasons why Part iv of the act is so comprehensive.
‘Part IV’ of the act is so comprehensive,… well now, that should be a source of comfort to us all. You cannot expect, anything spontaneious to arise, out of the overly ‘constrained’ system, whereby the architect is ‘involved’ in the project, for the duration of it’s construction, and the planners take over the ‘handling’ of crucial sites before and after a project’s construction – without any input from a designer. It is like an infant trying to learn to walk, without any coordination between their legs and their brain. Taoiseach, Mr. Ahern, hit at the problem of segregation between architects and planners – when he called for a ‘fast-tracking’ of the process. In effect, what he was feeling his way towards, was an ‘enabling’ of the process. But it took something as monumental as a road infrastructural project, to even put the issue on his radar monitor. For the process to work, you need certain connections to happen at the right time and in the right context – i.e. as in cooperation, rather than argument or confrontation. When you think about it, it is those tiny ‘connections’ within the human brain, that allowed us to leave the ‘Ape Community’ behind, all those millions of years ago, and to master the skill of upright walking and some form of communicative speech. The Irish Spatial Design Tradition, isn’t ready for those large steps quite yet. But if we ever want to get to that stage, you can’t expect the Irish environment, to benefit from a brain that is crippled through it’s lack of connected-ness – or even opportunity to learn. If a whole decade, and countless battles, are required to make ‘Part IV of the act so comprehensive’, then what meagre level of progress is the Spatial Design Tradition, going to make over the course of a century? My honest guess, it will have become extinct before a century has even passed.
The major complaint about organisations is that they have become more complex than is necessary. Refreshingly, the excellent companies are responding by saying: If you’ve got a major problem, bring the right people together and expect them to solve it. The ‘right people’ very often means senior people who ‘don’t have the time’. But they do, somehow, have the time at Digital, TI, HP, 3M, IBM, Dana, Fluor, Emeson, Becthtel, McDonald’s, Cititbank, Boeing, Delta, et al. They have the time in those institutions because those companies aren’t transfixed with the organisation charts or job descriptions or that authority exactly matches responsibility. Ready. Fire. Aim. Learn from your tries. That’s enough.
That sounds very much like the human brain managing to improve itself over time, through testing of things, learning from trying etc. What really worries me in Ireland, at the moment, is the environmental design system is not being allowed to learn. I witnessed this first hand myself, in our so-called ‘Design Schools’. I have noticed, that in the real world, prior to any major masterplanning, the players, have been spread out on the chess-board in a pre-configured way. The end game has already begun. The ‘masterplan’ builder just has to move the design professionals around on the board, using the muscle of capital finance – virtually unlimited, ‘Easy-Credit’. Basically, money talks and shit walks. The situation you describe with the Hilton Hotel on Westmoreland Street, is the classic stones and clubs, ‘noone-wins’ confrontation, whereby, Architect and Planner expend their resources and energy on something purely trivial – the design of the perfect widget. Usually, by the time, the perfect widget has been obtained, the window of opportunity has already been wasted, and filled by other competitors. This is not how highly evolved and intelligent companies such as the Hilton group have amassed their large fortunes – and unsurprisingly, they ‘lost interest’ in the Westmoreland Street site before the process had run it’s course.
Finally, and most importantly, is the user connection. The customer, especially the sophisticated customer, is a key participant in most successful experimenting processes….
The McDonald’s experiments, obviously, are all done in conjunction with users – the customers. Many companies, on the other hand, wait until the perfect widget is designed and built before subjecting it – late in the game and often millions of dollars have been spent – to customer scrutiny. The Digital, McDonald’s, HP, 3M magic is to let the user see it, test it, and reshape it – very early.
Both of the quotes above, are from Tom Peters book, In Search of Excellence. I mean, if you think about the design of a successful hotel – there is a lot of merit in the approach – of allowing your customer to shape and help you make it, what it should be. That simply isn’t possible, if the design is stuck for a whole decade trying to make it’s way down a very long and constrained pipeline. In reality, all the delay can do, is to detract designer time and resources away from identifying problems and issues related to a certain site. For all of the resources expended on confrontation between Designing and Planning professions on Westmoreland Street, all we have to show for it now – is a couple of very ‘famous’ facade battles which took decades to work out – and a classic ‘take-your-eye-off-the-ball’ situation, whereby bus companies, and a lack of any decent road design, prevents the street from becoming anything much. The unfortunate thing about Westmoreland Street is, now, it is forced to ‘get the treatment’ by ‘masterplan’ builders, using Easy-Credit to push the design professionals clear out of the way. It’s just a pet theory of mine, but in Ireland, I think the environmental professions have something important to learn from Tom Peters ‘Excellent Companies’. See a rather nice and ‘quirky’ quote below, about the training and motivation of a typical Disney theme park employee.
People are brought into the culture early. Everyone has to attend Disney University and pass ‘Traditions I’ before going on to specialised training. Pope says:
Traditions I is an all-day experience where the new hire gets a constant offering of Disney philosophy and operating methodology. No one is exempt from the course, from VP to entry-level part-timers…. Disney expects the new CM [cast member] to know something about the company, its history and success, its management style before he actually goes to work. Every person is shown how each division relates to other divisions – Operations, Resorts, Food and Beverage, Marketing, Finance, Merchandising, Entertainment, etc. and how each division ‘relates to the show’. In other words, ‘Here’s how all of us work together to make things happen. Here’s your part in the big picture.’
The system support for people on stage is also dramatic. For example, there are hundreds of phones hidden in the bushes, hot lines to a central question-answering service. And the amount of effort put into the daily clean-up amazes even the most calloused outside observers. In these and scores of other ways, overkill marks every aspect of Disney’s approach to its customers.
Whether or not they are as fanatic in their service obsession as Frito, IBM, or Disney, the excellent companies all seem to have very powerful service themes that pervade the institutions. In fact, one of our significant conclusions about the excellent companies is that, whether their basic business is metal bending, high technology, or hamburgers, they have all defined themselves as service businesses.
Now, please tell me again, how a major organisation, such as the Hilton Hotel group,… in the business of customer and service orientation, for half a century, would be interested in getting involved in the messing, our little Environmental Design community goes on with? Care to offer any kind of response? Part IV of the act is so comprehensive? That sounds like a recipe for mass extinction if you ask me. Remember, clients like the Hilton Group are sophisticated beings, they have not made it to the top by being stupid. It is worth repeating, when issues become a major ‘blip’ on the radar screen, the Irish government has to step in and ‘Steam-Roll’ some major projects ahead towards their completition. That is hardly a good reflection upon the spatial design tradition here in Ireland. But unfortunately, I think the odd road project, that Bertie is forced to push through the pipeline, is still a very thin end of a growing wedge.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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ParticipantBut it is rather interesting, how the system, has even managed to ‘hood-wink’ someone as open-minded and knowledgeable as yourself about urban and spatial design,… into falling for the old, ‘It’s a debate about a facade’,… kind of high-jacking of the debate about urban design here in Ireland. The fact, that you were moved to even spend anything on this, well, it just goes to show, how much the entire system is leading everyone around like a bull by the nose. Opportunities have been sorely missed to engage in some of the really ‘meaty’ issues in regards to the design of the environment. This is really, why you need to train the architects to become part of the debate and review process. Because these are very much, the kinds of people, who are able to grasp exactly what is going on,… otherwise, you are just furnished with the poverity of a debate about colours and textures of bricks,… which is just what the ‘masterplan-builders’, want you to be engaged in. While they manage to throw up even more and more damn bricks, through the use of much larger and larger volumes of credit available through the banking system here in Ireland. I mean, it is not the masterplan builder who is going to foot the bill, for these monstrous projects, at the end of the day,… the builder’s money only stays ‘on site’ for a relatively short length of time and space,… it is the public’s own money, which will be made to ‘pay’ for the developments over a period of decades. It is interesting to note though, how in an era, where shops in Dublin open up, selling designer chairs for 250.00 Euro,… and it begins at that price mark, and goes up,… that the very profession, that of architecture, which could be of use to people nowadays in making all kinds of buying or investing decisions, to do with living space, and public space,… that profession of architecture, is currently tied up by one of the worst monopolies we have in the country. It makes taxis drivers, and what-not look postively benign,.. and again, I reiterate, this existence of a spatial designer monopoly, has got no useful reason to exist in 2005. Despite some arguments, that could have been made for it, in the 1980s.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
garethace
ParticipantI always like to look ‘outside’ the fields of architecture and urban planning, to gain some insight from what other disiplines, other industries have discovered in trying to manage difficult and complex problems. Tom Peter’s classic book, In Search of Excellence, is a good place to look for interesting views on the matter. On the subject of spatial designers in Ireland, and their lack of contact, with the artifacts of their toil,… either before or after a brick has been laid down,… I think the following quote illustrates the point well:
Thus, when ‘touch it’, ‘taste it’, ‘smell it’ become the watch-words, the results are most often extradordinary. Equally extraordinay are the lengths to which people will go to avoid the test-it experience. Fred Hooven, protege of Orville Wright, holder of thirty-eight major patents, and senior engineering faculty member at Dartmouth, describes a ludicrous, yet all-too-typical, case: ‘I can think of three instances in my career in which my client was making no progress on a complicated mechanical probelm, and I insisted that the engineers and the technicians (model builders) be put in the same room. In each case the solution came rapidly. One objection I remember being offered was that if we put the engineers in the same room with the shop it would get the drawings dirty.’ Hooven adds, in support of the overall point, ‘The engineer must have immediate and informal access to whatever facilities he needs to put his ideas into practice…. It cost more to make drawings of a piece than to make the piece, and the drawing is only one-way communication, so that when the engineer gets his piece back he has probably forgotten why he wanted it, and will find out that it doesn’t work because he made a mistake in the drawings, or that it needs a small change in some respect, which too often takes another four months to make right.
The next bit, is about what Tom Peters calls ‘Excellent Companies’, and how the Excellent companies make sure, good people are tasked to review and examine the investment proposal carefully. This is increasingly hard to do, given how exclusive, few and monopolistic our spatial design professionals have become. We do not have the debate, focus or determination to give serious considerations, to an urban design proposal.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
The is no more important trait among the excellent companies than an action orientation. It seems almost trivial: experiments, ad hoc task foces, small groups, temporary structures. Whether it’s the introduction of IBM’s System 360 (a seminal event in the American business history) or a three-day ad hoc task force at Digital, these companies, despite their vast size, are seldom stymied by overcomplexity. They don’t give in and create permanent committees or task forces that last for years. They don’t indulge in long reports. Nor do they install formall matrixes. They live in accord with the basic human limitations we described earlier: people can only handle a little bit of information at one time, and they thrive if they perceive themselves as even somewhat autonomous (e.g., experimenting modestly).
The major complaint about organisations is that they have become more complex than is necessary. Refreshingly, the excellent companies are responding by saying: If you’ve got a major problem, bring the right people together and expect them to solve it. The ‘right people’ very often means senior people who ‘don’t have the time’. But they do, somehow, have the time at Digital, TI, HP, 3M, IBM, Dana, Fluor, Emeson, Becthtel, McDonald’s, Cititbank, Boeing, Delta, et al. They have the time in those institutions because those companies aren’t transfixed with the organisation charts or job descriptions or that authority exactly matches responsibility. Ready. Fire. AIm. Learn from your tries. That’s enough.
garethace
ParticipantYou know well that crowd behaviour on St Patrick’s Day is not indicative of the normal behaviour of Irish pedestrians. Are you suggesting that the presence of private cars in an urban space is a civilising force for humanity?
I don’t believe the automobile in an urban space is a civilising force for humanity,… but certainly, that the presence of people on an automobile thoroughfare, could be a civilising force for the automobile. As to the ‘quality of buildings’ on Westmoreland Street,.. I think you will all find, that in urban design, the design of the road, has a major effect on the kinds of buildings that ‘appear’ on the sites flanking the road – or for that matter, on the way they are perceived, on the way in which they are used. Yet this simple observation, has managed to escape a large proportion of people now actively involved in spatial design. This is one of my major ‘gripes’ with the ‘style police’ here at Archiseek, and in the Irish scene in general,.. with all of this focus, upon the ‘objects’ either side of the road,… they have neglected a debate which should have happened, in relation to the spaces that are left between the objects. I regularly notice this problem, in quite new master plans and such here in Ireland, and abroad,… the whole discussion being largely stuck around matters of ‘style’ of what facadism we shall have along the thoroughfares,… with very little acknowledgement given, to the treatment of the thoroughfares themselves.
The demolition of the 3 original buildings and several others nearby to make way for the Westin Hotel (originally to be Hilton before they pulled out) was the major planning/conservation battle of the late ‘90s, and went to the courts.
The mere fact alone, that this issue even managed to tie up so many valuable resources of debate and discussion, through the 1990s,.. is suspicious to begin with,… and doesn’t speak very highly of the intelligence of the discussion going on in the 1990s. This is indeed a sad fact, we are all paying for now. We haven’t acquired the necessary ‘tools’ to disect and carefully examine, what a new scheme is proposing to do,… or rather not doing. I notice the ‘visualisation renderings’ of many new developments, such as Stillorgan Shopping Centre, and the like,… have been very careful,… to make the discussion, into a discussion about ‘facadism’,… because the Irish planner’s vocabulary, in trying to envisage a new development,… is painfully limited,.. to just a word-play of ‘Materials, Treatment, Expression, balconies’,.. arranged in various orders,… often, it is like an infantile ‘tape recording’,… planners do not appear to have the necessary design and spatial vocabulary, or even perception to understand what they are needed to look at,… in terms of complex urban sites. Which is all the more reason, I believe, that Architects should be tasked with the responsible review of urban design, before and after, the building construction has occured. I think it is also worth linking this ‘Monderman’ stuff again I think,…
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3896&page=2
….one of the few European cultures to have become very ‘people-behavioural-centric’ in the post-war period, has been Holland, and it has managed to produced some of the most interesting debate, about people living and inhabiting spaces I think. It looks more at the social implications of good or bad design, rather than at the style. And from this very point of view,… the crowd behaviour of Temple Bar and Grafton Street has seriously deteriorated I believe,… All the ‘pedestrianisation’ of Westmoreland Street could hope to do really, is to JOIN together, two rather poor examples of human social behaviour. As Herman Hertzberger points out in his talks,… the pursuit of architecture is not meant to give people ‘what they want’,.. but rather to ‘raise’ people. I don’t think what is refered to as ‘pedestrianisation’,… has done an awful lot ‘to raise’ people,… and enough of evidence out there at the present, would even point to the opposite,.. that people have rather been lowered,… by this completely artificial construct known as ‘pedestrianisation’. The main brunt of pedestrianisation is a concessionary one,… because if the authority wants to ‘ban’ the people out of the equation on certain stretches,.. it offers ‘pedestrianisation’ as a peace pipe, on the other extreme,.. to demonstrate, what the authority is doing ‘for’ pedestrians. With the results, that pedestrians choke a street such as Henry Street, while cars choke a street like Parnell Street. Walk along the route of Parnell Street any time you want, if you want to see ‘pedestrians’ taken out of the equation. This comes from the widespread popularity amongst design professionals of something called ‘masterplanning’,… pedestrianisation, is a term coined directly out of the practice of ‘masterplanning’,… and masterplanning in turn, itself, exists,… NOT because it is the best way to go about the design and construction of major urban projects,.. but simply because it presents the most convenient way possible,.. for the few monopolistic dynasties around,… to take all of the money associated with urban design, out of the kitty, in one large chunk,… As opposed to building a piece, waiting to see how that works, building another piece,… and gradually over the space of time, knit something together, which takes most of the issues into serious consideration. Bear in mind, this is how the villages and towns of Ireland would have often developed anyhow,… as the resources of a community permitted development and expansion to take place. Of course the wonders of capitalism, has produced a ‘breed of spatial planner’,… who in order to facilitate, large sums of money, being put into a site quickly, and then being taken out again almost as fast,… we have ‘invented’ this abomination known as the ‘masterplan’,… which is not really a masterplan, in spatial terms, but a masterplan in terms of Euro and profiteering. A necessary adjunct, to this ‘masterplanning’ practice,… is, yeah, you have guessed it,… a very exclusive, tightly-knit, monopolistic dynasty of spatial designers. But in going this route, the spatial designer, has in effect lost most of their important skill base, and thereby ignored practically all of the major social issues associated with urban space and the people who inhabit that space. You are reduced to a very, very few nowadays, like Herman Hertzberger, who at least try to put, social aspects in spatial design, firmly back on the map,… or on the radar at least, where at least some bright, young aspiring spatial designers might stumble across that aspect of urban design.
But getting back again to Dublin City,… Parnell street is just one busy speedway used exclusively by cars, dangerous queueing and swirfing into ‘shoots’ which carry them up to multi-storey shelves of parking lots. If ‘Westmoreland’ Street is being planned as a pedestrianised place,.. then you can bet your last euro,… that Dublin City Council is already ‘thinking’ about some parallel cunning scheme, to facilitate the massive influx of people in cars that are supposed to arrive in that area,.. the ‘shoppers’ and such, required to ‘populate’ the said newly created pedestrianised ‘ZONE’. That is urban design, in a ’cause and effect’, mathematical, machine-like format,… and one which presents a need amongst people in a position to execute these plans,.. to control everything down to the last tiny detail,… and displays a total lack of understanding in how cities work as places we can inhabit, grow and prosper. You need to look at the fourth dimension usually to see, what is going on, in urban design,… whenever you see a ‘pedestrianised’ street choc-full of people with loads of shopping bags, ask yourself the question, how did these people all get here, and usually the answer is a speedway like Parnell Street with loads of ramps and lay-by shoots leading to stacks of parking. It is worth looking at what ‘Moore’s Street’ has become nowadays, it is worth looking at what the site, directly on the corner of Parnell Street and Moore Street is set to become nowadays,… and consider that Moore Street has been ‘left out’ of the picture totally, while Henry Street was being revamped. It is unnerving today, to walk between Parnell Street, dodging cars, and trying to manage on very crapped and dangerous sidewalks, then move along Moore Street and wonder where did you take a turn into war-torn Beiruit, and finally end up in Henry Street, and wonder what are all of these folks doing ‘bunched’ up together like sardines, and thinking this is an enjoyable, satisfying way to shop,… or something,… to realise, that we don’t know as yet how to do urban design in this country. We still don’t seem to have the knack. In the face of that conclusion, the only strategy I can imagine, is to look to the young people we have, to offer the problems to them, by training them somehow in spatial design,… rather than the small, closely-knit, exclusive world that is spatial design nowadays,… just ‘open’ it up altogether to some fresh new ideas,… given, that the existing system, is merely churning out the same old solutions, that didn’t work before, and certainly don’t work now.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
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