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Stiffy by the Liffey??? That’s just filthy…
Although perhaps that “pole in the hole” one was filthy as well…
Can’t we just go with the common or garden “spike” for now?? It’s less pretentious that the “spire”, and yet slightly respectful of what shall be the big shiney one.
And if we don’t take it seriously, who will???
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If only all those reclaim the street kids would actually carry our some proper protests (as opposed to just having a pathetic aimless doss around one sunday a year and then thinking they’re great).
Really though, some form of non-fatal guerilla activity is probably the only way to go. Or else we need someone to dress up in a cape and repeatadly throw pies at people in charge…
me – I’m far too apathetic, so I’m part of the problem. the most I ever did was think bad thoughts at dublin bus, and adopt a “no tipping” policy when I felt the taxi drivers were striking in an unreasonable manner.
so – what other ways can we all find of saying “you’re bloody crap so you are”.
jeez paul, lay it all on me then!!! 🙂
Has anyone any idea of what time they’ll be kicking off at??
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The ad space is auctioned off publically, and it wouldn’t seem to make sense for DCC to have to go up against private companies on this matter. The Gov needs to say “no more advertising from here on in”, and either give them the money they’ll lose from their budget or not. 300k a year is a lot…
Planning permission is the other doorway of hard knocks. As they’re presumably a “temporary” structure, would this permission ever need to be renewed??? Or would permission need to be sought if the ads were changed physically in terms of size…
hmm
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(any other thoughts on leaving the big ads in place but making them more “subtle”???)
The “no-adverts” thiong would probably involve getting some much more heavy guns in. Somehow the Government/Council woud have to over-rule Irish Rail’s authority on this matter, and then perhaps be forced to compensate them for the loss in revenue. Unless Irish Rail just decided to take them all off…
Advice welcomed.
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Hmm. I thought the green lights looked ok, but I suppose the other ones could have looked better.
Anyhow, the space is auctioned off by Irish Rail in three year leases to an independant Advertising company (that I know the name of). The course of action (it would seem) would be to contact any of a number of persons recommended to me in Irish Rail and find out whether or not they would be willing to attempt a change on their policies on this bridge from within the organisation.
Unless there are other suggestions, but I’m thinking of the open and non-sneaky “hey there” approach. Currently I’m also thinking about the soft sell “sensible” reduction in adverts, with the retention but improvement of the center span money makers. I just think this is a more attainable goal than no adverts (which has been discussed in Irish Rail in the past, and obviously didn’t happened).
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Well then is there anyway that the ads could be used to better effect??? I’ll readily admit that it’s very “criss-crossy”, but what’s on it now still needs improvement.
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Well I’ll presume that Fozzie meant legitimate access with the cooperation of irish rail. If this is not the case, then I believe rotten.com will show him what he’ll look like after Mr. Train smacks him around a bit…
Well, in my opinion the best results might cascade in this order:
1. No ads. Nice bridge with cool night lighting. But some people do like the ads, and they make lots of money – so on to number 2.
2. Removal of small crappy side ads (Tilestyle, Pepsi etc), but the retention of the Guinness ad (and Heinekan ad on east side) and the substantial revenue derived. Contact Guinness/Heinekan and ask them to design ads that are created specifically to complement the bridge. This design would have to reduce the area of the centre span covered, and perhaps give the impression of being on the “real” surface of the bridge as opposed to being on giant boxes stuck to the side. Guinness etc might like this kind of thing, and it could probably get them on the news (again). Cool night lighting.
3. There is no 3.Re replacing the Bridge – that’s way off in the future. This is something that could be done much, much faster, and still have a very good effect on the Bridge. I don’t want to wait four years because they might be taking the Bridge down (completely different discussion) and then find that it never happens.
By the way – the size of the side ads (Tilestyle) has actually increased in the last year or two.
If what I’ve said above interests people, the information that might be handy would be:
1. Who owns the Bridge – exactly who.
2. The chain of responsibility for the adverts (where the buck starts and ends)
3. The revenue from the ads/the ad rates.
4. DCC’s pov on the matter?? Is there a current strategy for this structure.
5. When did advertising begin??
6. The advertisers ideas on the matter (Guinness, Heinekan, Tilestyle, Pepsi, etc)fjp
(ps – the Tilestyle ads would have to moved somewhere very local, as I reckon they’re the only ads that are geographically relevant)
I actually just made that up, although the Trump thing does sounds cool. I will observe when I hopefully go there this summer.
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Um, the sign’s not cloth. And it actually lights up at night too (unless I’m totally wron). But I also presume it to be temporary, although I was disappointed to see it appear in the first place. It does take away from the bridge a little…
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No. The Spike will ocasionally go out of phase with daylight when viewed from certain parts of the city. This means that even if you can now see the crane, you might only see an inverted area of sky in the space that the spike will occupy.
This is similiar to the “white-out” effect sometimes experienced by pilots above snow filled landscapes.
🙂
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We were talking about this the other day at home, and it’s great to hear that they’re considering feature lighting. But it’s bad to hear that it might be dropped due to cost. Surely if they’ve come this far the lighting couldn’t be that much extra???
And it’s getting really hard to photograph at night…
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Here it is this morning, in a more full and balanced photograph…
I hadn’t thought of it, but I just ran upstairs to the top story of this Georgian house on Baggot Street. And there’s the crane, stooped but visible in the distance.
In a way the spike’s just going to be a giant thingy that says “Here is the middle of Dublin”. Nice…
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I’m sure they thought of it. And all you have to do it fill the base with concrete to fix a truck good and proper. Although how it would be repaired is beyond me.
The greatest threats are kids with markers. They can just write and run.
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Yes (I think).
Bridge is finished. Tis kick-ass indeed.
Double from the width…Here’s the bridge as of this morning (in rain).
http://www.fantasyjackpalance.com/fjp/temp/bridge021127.jpg
Other (older) photos are under “Dundrum” on that site.fjp
