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ha,ha… from what i can remember that is because they couldn’t find thurles..athlone is easier to find for you poor unfortunates….imagine having to travel more than a few miles to a match….my god!! the world would stop.
all i’m saying is that instead of crowding an already overcrowded and inadequate infrastructure in dublin because to be fair it’s not great either, somewhere outside might be an option. i have no idea where abbotstown is having not spent much time in dublin but from the talk it’s on the outskirts, that is the logical choice if, and it looks more than likely, we are forced to have it in dublin. i know the arguments of the great walk to lansdowne, and yes i have traveled to matches that way too, but so what…. that is not an intregal part…we need not plan a stadium around it… having the craic is not dependent on where you are but on what you make yourself…..
sorry but you made no argument why it should be at lansdowne except that you like it!!!
and as for putting it in dublin because it is the only place with the infrastructure….that’s daft…. what about the 2/3 of the population????
while having in the cities would of course be my first choice buying the land in a city would be unbelievable. i actually don’t know who owns lansdowne….hmmmm! but i’m thinking that aspect mainly. i do take your point on the transport. mind you all public transport in this country is rubbish so it’s going to be a problem. the reason i don’t take to the lansdowne theory is that it’s land is worth a fortune and if developed could provide a lot of money towards the building of a new one. it’s location and the journey to it is excellent but it wouldn’t capture my imagination like a brand new stadium in a new location would. i basically want a stadium built and in the shortest time possible. anywhere would do and i know you and most of the country would agree with me there. i am also in favour of the 80,000 .. why should we downgrade…it would pay for itself..our national teams are doing very well and so it would attract that size of a crowd…ahhhhh! good auld ireland….
i don’t think that putting it in dublin would be logical for the rest of the population. as for a backwards view of it…well what’s backwards about wanting something away from a city that can’t cater for it’s own population let alone 65,000+ fans..
athlone is an example because it’s in the centre of the country..i would love it in galway because then i woludn’t have to travel and could drink myself senseless here afterwards but it’s not practical to have it in galway. the government is trying to promote the use of the country’s other cities and large towns… Athlone is growing..much i believe is because it’s becomming yet another commuter town for dublin. and the advent of a stadium would rapidly increase it’s capacity to cater for such crowds.i would suggest that you might take the blinker’s off for maybe a minute and think of the country as a whole instead of your little area.
yes lansdowne road does need improvement but really, is that a valid argument for suggesting that the new national stadium be located there????no offence to cork but it is out of the way for everybody else in the country, even though i wouldn’t mind going down, it’s a great city. However i personally think it should be in the centre of the country and not in Dublin just because,well sure it has everything else and it’s convient for a select number of people. I don’t see the problem of having it near Athlone. Out in the country so there is ample parking. Athlone itself is one of the focal point of the government scheme to improve the country, Also i don’t accept that it’s hard to get to. From where. It’s on the main Dublin-Galway route. There is a bus from belfast and while i don’t know about the south of the country i’m sure it’s not that difficult. The problem is that if you don’t use publc transport or organise a coach then drinking a few pints will be gone. so what. Can we not enjoy a football match without drink and then go on the piss afterwards. personally i would use the public transport and go for a few pints. it means drink and for those who drive, parking is cheaper.
Lansdowne road, while a beautiful old stadium is not suitable , why not leave it intact as we in ireland seem to be protecting everything over 20 years old anyway, and keep it for club games, or smaller international games….just an idea…i liked the idea of changing it into apartments… prime land in d4…how much money would they make out of that!!!!!
i know this thread was about planning procedures, which are set up for single houses rather than bigger projects so are totally useless when applied to industrial type projects, but dara h, as a student you haven’t experienced the complete and utter ignorance of planners. these geography students know about as much about architecture as a plank of wood knows about rocket science. i know not everyone of them are complete useless but these seem to be in a minority.
the funny thing is these people determine how the built environment in ireland is shaped. this system in absolutely wrong for a supposedly upmarket and rich ireland. the fact that it took ( and correct me if i’m wrong) 4 years for the “millenium” spike to get through to construction, is a disgrace. while the rest of the world manages to build all their “millenium” buildings on time we labour in the planning process. daft. anywhoo….
as regards the rivalary between the professions…..that’s healthy. i do admit some people take it too far but for me it’s a way to have some fun at the expense of my friends. don’t take it too seriously.that’s quite alright. that’s sounds a decent proposal however getting it through our stagant city council would be another matter. there was enough problems with the current proposals. 1 good thing i will say about it is that it creates a pedestrian side adjacent to the skeff. small steps but one day maybe they will get around to doing it right. that may be way in the future as it took them a long time to sort shop street out and still they seem to be constantly digging it up to repave it. bizarre…
well it was done before. and i know it makes one big mall but could be interesting..as for eyre square..their is an improvment planned if we can stop those tree huggers who have no real argument except object to any sort of development…i find their logic quite strange however…rahoon!!! wa
hat can i say and salthill could be a lot better than the sleazey place it’s becomingdesmond,
i realise that when first built they weren’t a mistake but as you rightly said they were left to there own devices which seems to be a recurring theme all over, i am for the development of taller buildings, i did the design for this pipe dream we are talking about and once again it didn’t look like the ( hmmm! how can i descibe it) thing on the website. and i agree that some tall buildings in salthill would be excellent. and notjim, the warwick has special memories for all of us but then again so has angels. i was actually wondering if shop street was to be developed into buildings at least 10 storeys.. it might stop all light but it could be enclosed again like back a few hundred years ago. it would certainly make for a better public space. then again it might make 1 big mall out of the whole street… any comments?
the site is from about 2 years ago when it was seriously thought of as a proposal. the client himself did the actual images..1 is an upturned can. don’t know what the green things are however. it was proposed to reclaim land and therefore not have the hassle of planning instead dealing with the dept. of the marine. it was a pipe dream but the actual proposals for the building were not what is shown on the website. and as regards building over 5 storeys … well i think it’s a general irish thing .. it has to be bad if it’s high!!!! probably came from your mistakes in dublin with the ballymun flats!!!!
It is an improved timber frame construction method….. well espically for one off houses at the moment…possibly when in full production it could provide a cheaper estate that is not the usual crap design of houses that we churn out every day but had actually some modern design thought to them…
well…it is another option…personally i believe that most of us all live in houses that are the same as our neighbours and well it’s terrible…no design thought and the business is ruled by the developer ..so cheap and cheerful!!!! ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!shit and shit.
i agree that irish football is not widely followed but with this new campus there may be a renewed interest in all sport and might spur on the interest…it would be nice to see all the stadiums around the country being improved so that maybe in all the major cities we have at least some quality stadiums…as regards the gaa, they are dragging there heels this morning on the issue of playing all sports on there pitches as they are worried about their local pitches being invaded…i say let them off because they are being f**kers about it build a state of the art campus and exclude them from all facilities. why does it need them to be on board?
i don’t see the reason why…they have their own stadium… as a football player and an avid fan i don’t understand the rugby aspect either as it will just make the pitch be like lansdowne…it was disgraceful for the last friendly…with a new stadium we can maybe get a champions league final,uefa cup final or something equally massive and the amount of revenue would be enormous…hopefully the pd’s will drop their small minded objections and like peter said earlier build it in phases to settle out the cost.[This message has been edited by FIN (edited 09 April 2002).]
it will depend on the actual listing of the building…there are different grades…but you will need an archeoligical report and an engineer’s report comdeming the existing extension and then it is really up to the descretion of the city council…if you can prove you will be improving it then they shouldn’t have a major objection but then again there are the other organisations to worry about..ie. duchais,preservation societies etc. they might object…because of the new law it is difficult to even change anything on the site of a protected structure let alone the actual building.you may be lucky.
i think you might need to …. some people just don’t see the funny side of life!!! i wonder if rita is portuguese?
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we could discuss this point between all the architects/designers in the country but unless there is a big drive to get developers to understand or even embrace the aspect of sustainability then we are going nowhere execpt frustrating ourselves… i would love to see some sustainability options at plan expo this weekend..only by increased exposure will we see some changes.
however due to the tree hugging image of anyone who tries to discuss this it will be difficult to convince developers that it doesn’t cost much more to have some consideration.I HOPE IT DOES GO THROUGH AS WE NEED A STADIUM OF THAT MAGNITUDE IN THIS COUNTRY, I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF ARGUMENT THAT SPORT IN THIS COUNTRY NEEDS IT, NO DOUBT THAT IS THE CASE BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING ALRIGHT SO FAR BY USING THE BRITISH SYSTEM BUT THE MONEY GENERATED BY THIS LARGE STADIUM WILL PAY FOR IT…..IMAGINE A CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL, PART OF THE EURO FINAL BID BY SCOTLAND OR EVEN THE OLYMPICS( A FAIR DISTANCE OFF I DO ADD) THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THESE EVENTS IS STAGGERING. IT WILL BY GOOD FOR IRELAND AS A WHOLE THE ONLY PITY IS THAT IT ISN’T SITUATED IN THE CENTRE OF THE ISLAND SO THAT BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH MAY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACILITIES… IT WILL BASICALLY GENERATE BIG MONEY FOR DUBLIN WITH LITTLE SEEN DOWN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY….I AM NOT COMPLAINING..THAT IS THE WAY IT IS… BUT SOME STADIUMS DOWN THE COUNTRY ( GALWAY IN PARTICULAR ) MIGHT BE A GOOD INVESTMENT FOR URBAN CENTRES AROUND OUR GLORIOUS ISLAND….
