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@Paul Clerkin wrote:
And have been that way as long as I can remember and therefore probably original. The flooring under the pews was wooden planking. The only mosaic tiles in the main body of the church were in the entrance porches on the west front.
Paul – what about the stencil work? there is still some present, up in the clerestorey and above the aisle windows. However, I think there are tracks visible where stencilwork was painted over around the main nave arches.
That organ is sensational, its got to be the most impressive (visually) in Ireland.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Just what is the matter with these morons who allow such degenerative processes to go unchecked. For a moment I thought this photograph came from Cobh Cathedral….
The only current mosaic floor in Monaghan Cathedral is that small section in the main porch. The aisles are covered with what looks like a slate covering, with tiles at the edges.
@Praxiteles wrote:
If nothing else positive can be said about the Cathedral administration in Monaghan, unlike their counterparts in Cobh, they do manage to keep the doors varnished!!
However, this looks familiar:
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And some of the exterior:
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@Praxiteles wrote:
Very nice photographs, ferg. Thanks. It was a pity that the transepts were never glazed with stained glass. But the lines of the building remain and they, like Cathedral, are quite stupendous.
Stupendous it is!
One thing regarding the transepts.. notice that the North transept rose is off centre, whereas the South is bang on centre. Strange..
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@Praxiteles wrote:
Some more shots of the church at Kylmore buit by James Fuller:
The second set are more like I remember it.. notice that there is a tabernacle and the crucific which obscurs the east window in the first photo is not there..
The benches don’t help the interior much.. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not present in the original.
Kylemore.. Am I correct in thinking that this would originally have been a private Church of Ireland Chapel? I was there a couple of years ago and I do not remember those current fittings, although it did give off the impression that all the restoration funding went on the fabric, with nothing significant spent on the liturgical side. It is a little gem though!
@Praxiteles wrote:
I honestly could not tell you what it supposed to be. This is the problem with esoteric art. It is al very meaningful but that meaning is not immediately communicated and has to be explicitated.
I am inclined to think that Holy Cross is on a process that will soon see it looking rather like what it did when Bartlett did his engravings in the 1840s.
I could be mistaken, but I’m fairly sure that the tracery from the large window in that engraving, is one of those that was recreated between the sections of the basilica at Knock.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Are they trying to be subtle by more or less writing “MJ” on the wall?
I honestly thought at first, that someone had broken in at night and spray painted “MJ” on the wall.. what on earth is it supposed to be?
What happened to the old Wax museum building reminds me very much of what happened to the old Royal Hippodrome Theatre in Belfast (site now occupied by the Grand Opera House extension). It was perhaps a finer theatre than the Opera House, yet in the 60/70s it was clad in a really nasty steel skin, which made it look perhaps worse than the wax museum did! I’ll try and find a pic…
@Praxiteles wrote:
Can I borrow the ipsissima verba of the great Dublin guru re. the gutting of St Macartan’s and apply them to St.Saviour’s: ‘The result,’ says Louis McRedmond, ‘is a reconstruction totally suited to its purpose while consciously respecting the lines and spirit of the old building. Few adaptations have been undertaken on such a scale with such success.’ After all, the job is the particluar handiwork of Austin Flannery who, among the totally deluded is regarded as the ” Dominican priest ….(who) has been at the centre of progressive thinking in the Irish Catholic Church for more than 4 decades”. Some progress…..
The gutting of St Saviour’s has many parallels with Monaghan alright.. I suppose the only difference is that a few bits and pieces have survived in Dublin..
Praxiteles wrote:This was the Lady Altar in St. Saviour’s showing a statue of Our Lady with the Infant Jesus with St. Dominic and St. Catherine of Siena kneeling at either side]I think the 3 statues from the previous altar have been incorporated into the new creation, the new backdrop is bizzare to say the least..
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Attached is an example of a reredos where the mensa has been removed, to create a Marian Shrine..
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@Rhabanus wrote:
Please, someone, explain what we are seeing in this photo. It looks to these untrained eyes as though the relief of the Pieta was actually sawn down the middle and jammed up against a pillar or a wall.
It also appears as though the mensa of the altar to which the relief is fastened is topped with plants or some other trash or trumpery.
Or am I just imagining this?
The pillar is just the tabernacle stand intruding on my photo, the carving is in fact, unbelievably intact! What they gained by removing the reredos is beyond me, (also, note how, for some reason the sacrarium on the RHS managed to survive): Strange too how in some churces the reredos is allowed to remain, but they remove the mensa, yet in St Saviour’s its the other way round – bizzare mixed up thinking, if you ask me!
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Praxiteles wrote:I wonder is this the Pietà commenced by John Hogan in 1857 for St Saviour’s and completed by James Cahill after Hogan’s death in 1858. The work was commissioned by Thomas Higgs at a cost of £250. The work was signed in monogram and dated 1857. Does anyone know where it is after Austin Flannery’s iconoclastic outburst?Copies were made by the studio for St. John the Baptist in Blackrock, Co. Dublin]
It seems to have just about survived:
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@Praxiteles wrote:
That is just awful! The daft idea of having a primitive baptistery INSIDE the church saya just how much Richard Hurley knows about anything – and then the anachronism of setting the baptismal fount directly ontto the floor of the depression – RH would have benefitted from a visit to the Lateran Baptistery to see how this sort of operation happened in a genuine HISTORICAL evolution. It would have saved us from his efforts at ecclesiastical Disneyland!
And where is the cover of the fount?
Well, I did not see it in the North Transept, where the pulpit and high altar have been abandoned..
@PVC King wrote:
I hate that fad that was all too prevalent in the 1990’s for stripping painted joinery and structural timbers.
Thankfully they didn’t paint the interior sky blue to complete the ‘natural look’.
But I agree with your general point and feel that a repainting would be a good result.
There is quite a bit of suspect decoration up there – look at the floor around the font for instance:
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I feel Dizzy!!
@Praxiteles wrote:
Here is a view of George Payne’s ceiling in the Cathedral of St. Mary and St. Anne in Cork dating from 1828:
Note though, how in Cork the pillars have incorrectly been stripped back to reveal the wood. Wheras in Fermoy they are painted, allowing the fantasy gothick appear somewhat more convincing.
