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@Too many forms! wrote:
Is Phase 2 of the Victoria Mills Project to share the same wonderfull cladding and detailing….
I know Lex posted this a while back so I’m just refreshing it but it would seem yeah that phase 2 of Victoria mills is just the ugly sister of the first phase. See the pic at link -> http://www.dtarch.com/04current.html
@rodger wrote:
I believe Frinailla have been on site now for 12 months,or at least the archeological dept of ucc,any way I think a tower crane is to be errected in four weeks.There is also news of a major retailer in the 4000m2 of retail space.
So do not panic, I think Frinailla want to get on with this scheme,to make way for their other proposed developments.
One other thing Shanghai and Cork????
I was recently in a large city in asia with many very tall buildings,some one I know has an apartment on the 28th floor overlooking the city,it was amazing because of the city skyline.
I think someday once we have consumed much of our “green belts”,we will look back and say we should have went up giving an interesting skyline by day and more importantly,in Cork by night.
At the same time keeping our beutiful countryside.Thanks for that rodger. I think so too about high-rise. People keep complaining about how Cork is not suited to high-rise blah blah blah, but in the right places like the docklands I think it would be most complimentary. As a city matures youve got 2 options – up or out. I for one believe up. If a building is designed well and artistically I think it should be encouraged. The backward minds of the old folk would rather see our beautiful countryside engulfed with never ending patterns of boring housing estates and local shops. If we keep that up we’re going to regret it one day with Blarney a suburb, Ballincollig part of an extended city centre and Kinsale a quick sprint from the latest suburban shopping mall. As Yazz once said, the only way is up! Anyone know if there are any other plans for a highrise in the docklands??? Beside the OCP, Water st and Eglinton st ones? And I mean decent, well designed things, not Victoria mills 9-storey bricks. Decent 20-storey-ers???
I agree with Lex, Redabbeyredux and pier39 on the way to go when the thread hits page 100. It makes sense.
Glad to see John mannix’s building is through and Jurys was relatively successful too. Monday should be really interesting day at the planning department with the Capital cinema decision due.Also, I thought Frinailla said ages ago that they were going to get started on the Grand parade plaza project? Surely things must be getting on soon? That site has been left static for ages and the closest its come to construction has been the John paul construction barriers around it. Whats the story???
Hope what Joe Gavin said about Cornmarket st is true. I cant wait to see that thing getting a start on!
I’ll probably go with Wilson architecture on this one, but that said, driving passed No.6 Lapps quay there earlier today I have to say i’m very impressed with it now that the scaffolding is coming down. That whole quay looks very well. So if there was a 2nd place it would go to Coughlan de keyser architects if you include the Clontarf st building too. But Radioactiveman is right about 21 Lavitts quay too – that building has enriched what was a ugly old quayside immeasurably! its very impressive I have to say. But Wilson snags it with Eglinton st and Patricks quay.
I think there is a vibrant interest in architecture in Cork and more so nowadays it would seem. I think over the past years up until possibly late 2002, architecture never really gave Cork any particularly substantial designs that gave it much to talk about really (other than the golden oldies but you can only talk about them so much before your face turns blue!!). Sure we had the Gate multiplex and apartments development, but thats nothing to be proud of and a few other buildings. but they were few and far between. Now theres a loada building and development activity and suddenly architecture is the hot topic of today cos people are interested in helping shape the city better all the time. And now real landmark buildings like Clontarf street, Patricks quay, Lavitts quay and Eglinton street are giving people a better interest. i suppose thats evident in the amount of people using the Cork page on this website (not just members, regular visitors which I was for about a year before i registered!!!) I and i know loads of others have been reading this article and are really looking forward to the festival. Im sort of proud the festival is being held in Cork. it should be an annual thing and promote the place a centre of archiectural excellence (which it has a long way to go yet, but keep the Clontarf, Eglinton, Patricks quay, Camden courts and lavitts quays coming, and we may get there someday!!!! 😀
What do you think of the different designs Paul?
Lex will you have those other design pics up tonight??? :confused:
But land is cheap! well, comparitively.
I agree. CorkCoCo policy toward this type of development at these locations is very poor. it’s simply a way of them maximizing their own welfare by exploiting the locations proximity to the city. By right this land should be city territory now. This type of development does not add well to the cause of proper urban planning. I think CoCO know this and that ultimately this land will have to be hand over to the city council. it’ll leave a right old mess and take away from city development. the city are trying to encourage centre living, this type of thing works against that and encourages urban sprawl. This is why I suppose I would rather encourage some tall developments in the city…so more persons can be accomodated in the city and as lex once said, greenspace can be increased allowing families and others take advantage of recreation and amenity facilities and restricting rotten urban sprawl. Cork should be protecting its greenery and counrtyside which is among the best anywhere. bad move by the county council i think. It wont help if the airport ever want to expand again either. No doubt we’ll be reading residents complaining about air traffic pollution in the Evening echo some time in the future. why what you think?
I see Mr. Frank o’mahony of Wilson architects is around UCC today running through Boole library extension plans! Work on dismantling the College road gateway is already going on. From the information session that was held in the college about the extension there recently, i understand the gateway is being rebuilt after construction of the library extension. it’s a protected structure.
Yes please! this is getting so old.
All I’d like to say now is “can we really trust a woman who leaves her feminine ointments next to the mayonaise in the fridge? That was the worst sandwich I ever ate!”
it seems as relevant as any other comment made here. could one of the webmasters maybe fix this???
anyone got a pic of the new Royal bank of scotland building?
Yeah that Clontarf street design looks pretty good, was worried for a little while. Pity about the image, when will you get a better 1 up Lex?
Ok there was so much wrong with that I’m not even going to start, but i will say this, i was actually supporting Limerick and its reputation on this one and you just went ahead and worked against it. maybe the reputation about Limerick and conflict is true – you’re certainly painting that picture…but in this case i’ll assume its just you and not the city. i’m all for differing opinions, thats democracy baby, but theres a fine line between stating opinion, correction and ridicule. I’m going to leave it at that. Its a pity some people act the way they do, but i would really like to see Limerick develop a good, progressive and POSITIVE thread about its development, of which it has many great ones like the Burke-kennedy doyle designed one on henry street is it??? anyway, enough banter. No hard feelings. 😮
well maybe just one more thing, Switzerlands GDP and GNP are both substantially higher than Bangledesh – see CIA world factbook website and papers by Conan, Andrews and Hemme (2003) – “A Modern Economic Perspective of World Economies”.
good luck with the page, cant wait to see some of the great projects in store for shannonside.
@jimg wrote:
Do you see any irony in using this opening line to start a message discussing how much wealth is generated by other Irish cities and how it is more than that of Limerick and Galway and which manages to avoid mentioning anything about any architecture, building or planning?
its not meant as a wealth discussion. I was just saying that if thats the way the page is going to be – here’s how it is with the facts, but I was saying that its not the way the page should be. It should be about promoting Limerick’s merits in architecture and development as well as its misgivings, as i mentioned at the end of the post.
this whole ‘Limerick’s wealthy’ thing is getting a little tiresome, i thought this page was suppose to be about the developments and architecture of Limerick – not a competitive jibe. People should learn to accept facts – Galway is 3rd largest (in terms of population re: 1986 boundary extension), but Limerick is more urbanly structured (though its city boundaries encompass a smaller population). Cork is larger than both – and if wealth is an issue, Cork generates greater economic output that both Limerick and Galway put together. But likewise, Dublin is larger than Cork and generates an economic output in excess of the aforementioned. Deal with it people, its not a competition. If it comes down to a ‘I drive a bigger car than you’ tit-for-tat, well then Cork, Belfast and Dublin drive bigger cars than both of ye (i was going to use another analogy but its probably too crude for this site 😀 ) Its just the way things are. ye should be proud of yer identities and stand up to them when unfairly treated, both Limerick and Galway have enough merits of their own to be able to discuss pleasantly. i happen to like lots of things about both cities and things i dont like so much but lets get back to what the page title says ‘what about all the developments popping up in shannonside?’ Note developments in the title and as this is an architecture page, these develpments should have some architectural reference or link too. 🙂
@satanta99 wrote:
looking at the 3D rendering above gives the impression that we could see something special emerge from this site… fingers crossed. Does the glass facade extend over the original building on the south western side of the development, have to say I’m really impressed. But I’m really looking forward to seeing what is planned for the clontarf street site. It could be so good on such an interesting site!
Yeah I agree with ya on both those things. Its funny cos I wasnt expecting much on the kenny development but when I saw it i had to take a step back and say whoa! And with the Clontarf street building i have huge expectations. It mightnt be the biggest development in Cork but it is surely one of the most interesting, how they get a building like their proposing on a site that small and with such a unique shape in such a unique place is gonna be something to see. i REALLY hope i’m not let down on this one, its gonna have to be good architecture speaking to make it work on that site. No doubt Lex will have something up on it soon. Bring it on!!!
Yeah, have to say I think it (the kenny development) would do wonders for the quays along this area. Its very near Horgans quay too which i hear Martin Cullen siad was closing in our agreement between the Cork Corp, cie and a private developer.
Is anyone else hoping that Treasury holdings are not going to be involved in Horgans quays redevelopment??? Their track record and recent developments in the Dublin docklands are so ugly boring and downright lazy, we could do with less of that down here. I know Manor Park were involved too at one stage and their not much better.
@lexington wrote:
Paul Kenny’s proposed Revenue Commissioners offices along St. Patrick’s Quay/Lower Glanmire Road… I have to say, this project is undoubtedly (in my eyes) on of the best projects Wilson Architecture have produced. Paul Kenny clearly went into the race for the Revenue Commissioners to win it and teh design relfects that. It will provide a landmark building along the quays – and with a proximity so close to Kent Station – the development really caps the bag.
😀 DAT Partnerships are to apply for the development of a 9-storey office building of approx. 31,000sq ft at the small, triangular shaped site bordered by Clontarf Street, Oliver Plunkett Street Lower and Deane Street (to the north of No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay). The plan previously reported in one of my earlier posts, which constituted a larger 12-storey building, was revised down to its current height following pre-planning talks with CCC planners who advised the reduction. Cohlan Downing Associates are expected to be the letting/sale agents when the project is complete – work on the new landmark building (which will provide another unique addition to this fast expanding area of commercial development) will not commence (subject to planning) for about 10months. The lot is currently being let for car-parking purposes.
yeah I’ve seen Paul kenny’s building for the Rev comms and i agree its something special. One of the best developments i’ve seen for Cork in ages. Finally something with REAL architectural flair. I think people are really gonna like it, cant wait to see the pic tonight.
That Clontarf street building sounds very very interesting. I’ve been hearing all about it – any pics Lex?
poor limerick…it gets an awful hard time. Granted when I visit I cant say with my hand on my heart that i always feel the safest up there but I still think it gets an unfair hard time.
In fact its Clarion hotel is one of the nicer highrises in ireland today. i think,
Yeah I’d seen pics of the Capital development before alright and its no pretty beast. The coloration is so dull & lifeless. If this one gets passed I’ll hang me shoes up.
Glad the Howard holdings thing has been givn the chance to redeem itself. really boring design – is that teak i spy??? No RORSA, no!
Hi guys,
i’ve been a long time visitor at this website but decided to register to post some news. I attended a presentation today in UCC with Frank O’mahony of Wilson architects talking about the new library extension. Really interesting stuff. I got to grab a word with him after the presentation, building on the library will begin in 28 of May and builders have not been chosen yet he says. I also asked him about the OFlynn building on the old Post site and he said it looked pretty good so far, so good news I guess.
By the way lexington he’s asking who you are!!!! 😀 By the way lex – interesting contributions. keep up the good work.
Thanks
