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I’ve heard that the line’s use for freight is quite limited for modern lo/lo containers as the tunnel section is too low for a trolley and container but if you put them on the lower style trolleys with the container going between the wheels the longer trolley can’t make the narrow bends. (That was one of the many reasons that freight has to go by road and that we need a port tunnel.)
Can anyone confirm if there’s any truth in this?
And is there any reason that this line is not used for commuter traffic?
There is a lot of rubbish there alright but I can’t agree that “Absolutely nothing stands out there”….
I think the Clarion Quay Apartments stand out and are possibly the finest apartments in Dublin. (not a lot of competition – Charlotte Quay, Wooden building..?)
It’s great to have an example of apartment living in the city that is done properly. It may help people overcome their justifiable fears based on Ballymun and then Zoe.
A stop there could be good alright – it’s a good looking building on our main street after all – but that’s all it’d be really – a stop. I would expect a central station to be a place where you can change from one mode of transport to another.
Unfortunately his statement in the paper today seemed to me to indicate that that’s as far as the line would go and it’s a half assed effort at reducing costs. If he’d stick to the DTO’s own Platform for Change document the interchange on the line would be at Tara street so at least it’d connect to DART.
After years of waiting Connolly and Heuston are linked (by Luas touch wood) and now planners terminate a line at Stephens Green and by the looks of things maybe even Carlton.
The point about reliance on artificial lighting and mechanical ventilation is a valid one though. Has anyone been in the building? It must be a dreary place to work unless you luck out and get the window seat.
Don’t forget the churches in your list of great building patrons fjp.
It looks like the Square in Tallaght from a distance. That can’t be a good thing.
Well done fjp – I look forward to the rest of the photos. Did you get any of the interior? Liberty Hall is one of my favorite Dublin buildings. Do you know why the observation deck is not used – seems like it could be a nice little earner.
Frank McDonald has an article on this in todays Irish Times. He refers to the forecast by KPMG of 1 billion Euro per year for 20 years as alarming but points out that it covers “everything, from the cost of construction to franchising, operation, maintainance and interest charges.”
One other interesting point he makes is that DART hasn’t paid for itself yet after 18 years. Does anyone know when it is due to break even?
Not that I think public transport should have to run at a profit anymore than a pedestrian crossing or a storm drain. But it would be nice to know how close DART are getting as they have great potential despite underfunding and a legacy of poor management.
You are right in some ways kefu – The airport link is more important. It would be worse if that had got the chop – and we are lucky that that hasn’t happened (yet).
However, development was allowed along the proposed route including a lot of new housing at Tullyvale and Cabintely and a business park at Cherrywood. When these were planned it was understood that the Metro would be coming online in the medium term.
As it says in the DTO Platform for Change:
“Developments that generate a high volume of trips may be granted permission in public transport corridors before the public
transport is operational.”Already this development is causing traffic that clogs the N11 and will clog up the M50 as soon as the final section is in place. Even though the transport corridor is gone I’d be surprised if the permission to build can be reversed.
As I see more and more roads being built it annoys me that any public transport project gets the chop. And wasn’t this link to have been partially funded by the developers that own lands in this area anyway…?
Couple more points:
I think the extension was to serve a few more stops than those you outline. See
http://www.luas.ie/downloads/DTOnetwork.pdfYes, it IS about time the emphasis was placed on Northside!
I don’t know which is more depressing – the news itself or the fact that I’m not surprised.
Complaints on a postcard please to
Seamus Brennan, T.D.
44 Kildare St., Dublin 21890 443311
From http://www.dublincorp.ie/planning/locplan.htm
“The North Fringe Area comprises approximately 200ha (490 acres) of land located on the north eastern edge of the City immediately adjacent to the boundary with Fingal County Council. Together with the lands at Pelletstown, the north fringe lands represent the total amount of undeveloped land remaining in the City. “
Southern end wasn’t much to look at anyway as it had been chopped of to widen the road and was replaced with a brick wall.
One of the policys in restoring this protected structure is to “remove the late 19th century intervention at the southern facade of the warehouse and provide a more suitable termination of the building on the quayside.”
Last I heard it was to be glass alright.
The roof is spectacular – The shadows and light interact nicely as you pass by along the quays now taht you can see in.
Photos:
http://64.78.50.172//uploads/pdfs/Stack%20A%20for%20web.pdfDetails:
http://64.78.50.172/uploads/pdfs/StackAConservPlan.pdfHere’s one for the limbo park. It’s certaintly not the worst of them but I’m very glad the spike won.
What happened there? – last time I was there it looked like they knocked the toilet block and made the area into a grey traffic island. I forget where I saw the original drawings but I thought it was to be less like a road and more like a public space.
Shame.It’s rubbish, isn’t it?
If you look from the quays through the gates between the blocks it looks like the worst of corporate america.I know the exploratory drilling showed
3 meters made ground
3 meters gravel
6 meters boulder clay
with limestone bedrock at about 12 meters below street levelbut the proposed excavation was only for 5 meters. I wonder if they decided to go deeper…?
Originally posted by kefu
They are definitely planning to build an underground train station under O’Connell Street right now as part of the Luas works. It will be put in place at the junction with Abbey Street to link in with the future Metro.This is not quite right – There’s a sub-station (for electrical power) going in at that point. That’s all.
Regarding the link to Metro – I don’t think that’s likely to happen at O’Connell St.
The DTO stategy doc put that line to the east of Busarus. See
http://www.luas.ie/plan/strategy.aspThey’ve run out of printed copies, but you can still view it on the web.
I haven’t looked in detail but it seems very wishy-washy to me. I had expected the neighbourhoods in which services to be centered to at least be identified, but they’re not (that I could see).
Each chapter such as “A safer city”, a “greener city” etc. has a load of aspirations that you would not be able to fault – for example “Crime can and should be prevented”
these are followed by a table with a row entitled “What?” and one entitled “Why?”
It would be good to see this followed up with “How”….
Instead there’s a strategy objective which just rephrases the issue again, eg : engage young people in making homes, schools and communities safe through crime violence and drug abuse prevention efforts. with no indication of how it will be done.There’s no indication of which implementing agency is responsible for each objective and so there’s no tracability. Which will make everything mentioned in Moving Strategy to action extremely hard to implement and monitor.
Still hope a lot of good comes out of it… 🙂
