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ParticipantI see there’s an e-mail chain mail going around now asking people to ring and object to the city council. I’ve recieved a few copies now. Needless to say it contains the same misleading statements. It annoyed me so much I rang the council to register my support for going ahead with the area action plan, and removing the trees to the planed schedule.
Also, see the press release from council: http://www.dublincity.ie/profile/pressr/021106.htm
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ParticipantI’ll try that again…
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ParticipantI can’t find it on the list of protected
structures searching for either “Cross Guns” or Garage. The only mention of Cross Guns is
‘Cross Guns Bridge/Fifth Lock, Royal
Canal Dublin 7 Crossguns Quay: multi-storey stone former mill building’
Dosn’t sound like a deco garage to me.I don’t know the area myself but a lot of the area ajoining the canal is a “Proposed Candidate Special Area of Conservation” on the city development plan. (the bits striped in red on the attached).
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ParticipantStainless steel should be easy enough to clean though. That was one of the advantages of the design.
The Waste Management dept of city council do actually remove graffiti and litter! If gobshites grafitti the spike then call them. I would hope that most people would care enough to at least make a phone call.ew
ParticipantGood point kefu. Took me a while to find them though, so for the lazy…
Blackhall:
http://www.calatrava.com/1/BRIDGES/59.htmlew
Participantro_G – Although both environments had serious flaws; in your opinion which was better, Fettercairn or Ballymun?
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ParticipantIn fairness to the site, they use a cutoff of 12 stories (35 meters..?) which I think leaves out (most of) the buildings you’ve mentioned Andrew.
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ParticipantAn taisce have appealed the permission (which was granted) on the following grounds:
– the bar is 19th century and in good condition
– 5 stories would be over development for the area
– it would set a precedent whereby a protected structure could be adjoining a building almost twice it’s height.It’s that last one that really caught my eye – what kind of appeal is that?
http://www.archeire.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/ballsbridge/merrion_road/house.html
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ParticipantI think the greens oposition to “bungalow blight” is based mostly on the high cost of providing infrastructure and services to the houses coupled with the need for total dependence on cars.
I don’t think these concerns apply to windmills.ew
Participanthttp://www.dublincity.ie/planning/devplan4.htm
Could be a starting point.
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ParticipantI dare you to tell the Ringsend residents association that it’s being retained for use when the incinerator is finished!
(it’s not)
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ParticipantSome of which can be seen at
http://www.reflectingcity.com/07501.htm
It’s a good site and well worth a look!
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ParticipantTara Street does look like being great. I too am delighted that An Bord Pleanala may be getting realistic.
However I think the hustle and bussle refered to earlier needs to be one of the aims of a city development. I’m just not sure that building high will necessarily provide it. THese things need to be planned for.ew
ParticipantI agree – Mayor street is indeed coming on well. It is even starting to have a european, neighbourhood, community feel. This is already enhanced by the opening up of the square at the college and will be further improved by the LUAS. It still has a long way to go but does seem to be learning from mistakes made in IFSC phase one and other business parks.
AS far as I know the height of buildings on this street are restricted to allow light get to the street. There are many pictures in the EIS and Master plan which show the light angles, time of day, shadows etc. It seems to me that if there is to be light on the street for a reasonable length of time during the day, a balance with the height needs to be reached. I don’t know what rules were used but the balance seems about right and is also the balance point they reached in a lot of post war european development. Given our climate, people don’t see shade as an asset. For the street to be lively and develop the busy community feel, it needs to be attractive – sunlight is one of the factors that needs to be considered. If you increase the heights then the road would have to be in shade or wider – which would lead to an empty feel.
In this context, the suggestion to double the height of all the buildings fronting the river seems ridiculous to me. That really is just height for heights sake. Surely for any mixed development it is vital to get the street level right and build to enhace that rather than build a wall of high buildings on the south of a site and hope someone wants to live and work in the shade behind them..?
Tall can be good, but this environment in moderation. I hope there will be the odd high quality tall tower introduced down there. But as there will be a higher proportion of 5, 6, 7 story buildings built I’d love to know why they appear so hard to do. The crap that’s there is not bad because its 5 stories – It’s bad cos they bore. Do the talented people refuse to work on buildings this height? or is there a general lack of talent in Ireland? I was trying to think of some buildings this size that were well done, and can only think of Fingal co.co and Herbert park at the moment. Surely there’s some more.
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ParticipantAccording to todays Times, Harry Crosbie bought it for close to 1.5 million and may use it to house visitors to Vicar Street.
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ParticipantThere is of course a center of Star Wars tourism – Tunisia. And on an architectural theme too – check out the Troglodyte houses in Mamata and the grannary at Ksar Hadada.
http://www.toysrgus.com/travel/tunisia.html
I think these are totaly unique to Tunisia. And they look great on film too.ew
ParticipantWasn’t a similar argument proposed that the Spike would pay for itself through licensing the image…
Any truth in that?ew
ParticipantThat’s a confusing picture. I know it was in the Indo but where did it come from?
The building behind the bus must be an existing building. The only building even a bit like that on Spencer dock is the North Wall Station beside the British Rail Hotel.
So it looks like that new grey thing is built on top of Campions bar – which was listed as protected in the EIS. Leaving room for the convention center to fill the remainder of the site to the left.
Or is this fragment meant to be further up the quay towards Castleforbes?
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ParticipantThanks, LOB.
“16 storeys and is 195 feet tall” which by my calculations is 60m.ew
ParticipantSomfy – Apartments on Townsend street are mostly sold on the benefits of the location rather than the view. So I would think that the further enhancement of the area should balance any degradation in the view. Particularly if Tara becomes the hub that it could be. Failing that townsend street can still sell itself on the finest deep fried snickers in Dublin (seashell).
Also, can anyone tell me the height of Liberty Hall?
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