Emma Dalton

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  • in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730702
    Emma Dalton
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    I suppose the change in needs reflects the change in situation that people find themselves. St Stephens Green is undoubtley a great resource and people do visit, as you say, to experience nature in a city environment. The nature of new open space though I think is what is under review. The opportunity to create a space like Stephens Green does not repeat itself often and the potential for new open space usually comes as either a space associated with a new structure/building, a reorganisation of existing spaces or with a change in infrastructure/transport, and the successful space is one that responds well to the setting.
    I think everyone agrees that the existing green spaces in the city are well valued.

    Kieron Rose of DCC Planning at the Digital Hub Forum made a good point that the need for recreating “rus in urb” parks in the city has changed. He said that the once Victorian pastime has changed where the landscape was tamed like St. Stephens Green and Fairview Park, or an arcadian landscape like the fountain at Ivegah Gardens, or indeed the estate landscape of Phoenix Park. Now people have access to transport that can take them readily to these destinations, leaving a new use that can be/should be applied to the new spaces. The new spaces still need to provide a space that can be enjoyed and trees, grass, water, plants as well as paving all have a role in this. Providing a pocket green park in an area that needs a tarmac surface for kicking a ball does not serve the need for the local residents/users. I agree though providing a hard space where not appropriate is just as bad, especially such a badly designed one as at City Hall

    I hope the new DCC Architect Ali Grehan will be able to take the reins left by Jim Barrett and provide appropriate spaces to reflect the needs of the users.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730700
    Emma Dalton
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    That very question was asked in the lecture Q+A. From what I understand Mitchell + Associates had proposed a cyclelane, but their involvement in the scheme was design concept only, and DCC brought the scheme through the detail design and onto site, and though I agree with you Peter in that it is the responsibility of the designer to push their agenda in the interest of all users, I heard that DCC Roads Department in all their wisdom did not want to include the cyclelane and there was no persuading them. DCC Roads seem to be able to dictate a lot of agendas that perhaps are best dealt with by the Archietcts Dept or Planning Dept. I know they have to maintain the streets and roads but I think they use this power to the disadvantage of many schemes.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730698
    Emma Dalton
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    I totally agree. Wolf Tone Park is terrible. The hardscpe has totally failed. Actually I saw the competition boards for that scheme and Mitchell + Associates and others had a green space proposed for there.

    As Frank McDonald says about the Dublin City Council designed City Plaza, it has set back landscape architecture in Dublin 20 years. I agree. There is no function to the space, just paving. In such important spaces it is vital that they are properly considered.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730696
    Emma Dalton
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    About the pedestrianisation, I think about the disadvantages of providing a fully pedestrainised route from Parnell Square to Stephen’s Green. That would mean that you would have to redirect traffic off Naussau Street, off Dame Street/College Green, off the Quays, and off O’ Connell Street. That would in my opinion redirect traffic congestaion to other parts of the city that would result in chaos and more prople sitting in traffic than ever.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730695
    Emma Dalton
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    The quote is from the well respected Adriaan Geuze of West 8 and so did not necessarily reflect the idealism of Brian McGuinne. I thought the point was well made though, i.e that nature is not the main point of reference that urban space may need to focus on. It’s not saying that it shouldn’t consider it just it may not be the main point. Just look at Smithfield, Grand Canal Quay, Schouwbergplein.
    What Brian McGuinne was describing was the historic need and trend for “rus in urb”, that is the recreation of the rural or an arcadian landscape or victorian garden, etc. in the city versus the current needs and uses that new modern urban space needs to provide. He wasn’t dismissing green space at all, just describing the change that the role open space is finding itself needing to address.

    I think that the text I posted may have directed readers to one outcome of opinion and was out of context because his lecture did not conculde that all urban open space should be all hardscape. I think he would agree with you in the importance of green and amenity space.

    Sorry about that.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730693
    Emma Dalton
    Participant

    I got some handouts of the lecture about urban open space that Brian McGuinne of Mitchell + Associates gave and I said I would include them here. Sorry if they seem disjointed as I could include all of the notes. Brian McGuinne mentioned that the design of O Connell Street was in some way the opposite to the Ramblas. The Ramblas as you all know has a wide median and very narrow footpaths which do not serve the street buidlings well. The O Connell Street solution was to widen the footpaths and to narrow the median allowing much more live frontage use to the shops and buildings.

    Notes of lecture:
    True innovation in the design of urban space did not begin to happen until the latter past of the twentieth century, where the escalating cost of urban land, allied to the greater mobility of city dwellers, saw the demise of “rus in urbe” and the introduction of urban space as a container for intense cultural and recreational activity.

    “…interventions in public spaces, or rather, in public landscapes, should no longer be focused on generating greenery. The real challenge is to create space and textures for city dwellers to colonize in their town. Nature can play a role in this, but not, a priori, the main role”.

    One of the most favoured ways in Europe and the National States, and one of the most expensive ways is to create urban space on the roofscapes of gigantic underground car parks. The Schouwburgplein in Rotterdam, Placa de la Cathedral in Barcelona, Place Terraux and Place Celestine in Lyons are all created in such a manner, where the congested elements and parking problems are solved or partially – solved, but at a high price. In addition the creation of urban space on what are effectively roof terraces have significant limitations for the introduction of greenery.

    The urban structure of Dublin does not fit well with the Europe or American models detailed above. Firstly, we inhabit a city with a small, low-density urban core, with a dispersed low-density monoculture of residential areas surrounding it. Secondly, this dispersion does not allow for the creation of intense foci of recreational activities, but rather an array of sub “rus in urbe” spaces totally overscaled in relation to the potential catchment areas.

    Recent initiatives, however, such as the Residential Density Guidelines have encouraged a new examination of existing urban pattern. Any increase in density of the built fabric of Dublin will fundamentally alter the role of urban space. In low-density cities open space can be largely undifferentiated with few precisely ascribed uses. The implications for open space in dense urban structures is quite the opposite, where each space assumes a particular function or set of functions, very similar in form to a dense mat-building, such as the Free University of Berlin.

    in reply to: O’ Connell Street, Dublin #730686
    Emma Dalton
    Participant

    Regarding the pedestrianisation of O Connell Street and the links to Stephens Green and Parnell Square, Brian McGuinne of Mitchell + Associates (landscape architects for O Connell Street) gave a very interesting paper at one of the recent conferences about landscape architecture in Dublin and spoke about the design principles behind O Connell Street. That is, doing the opposite to the Ramblas where the footpaths along the building edge are too narrow to allow activity. He also spoke about connecting Stephens Green and Parnell Square but without providing a fully pedestrianised route, which seemed to make sense. I will post some of his notes here.

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