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@notjim wrote:
They are afraid peoples carpets will be damaged in the floods?
He he, my bad, I should have added the word “economic” as in “economic climate. Flats won’t be snapped up as quickly as office space
I also have it on good authority (he he) that the Watchtower is under construction…with a slight ammendement to the original plan but with no change in it’s height. They have decided to allocate more floor space to office, and less to residential, given the current and predicted climates.
Hey there…not been vocal on here in a while, but I know for a fact (I know someone involved) that the lift shafts currently under construction are for the District Centre. Work on the Tower itself is due to commence quite soon though too. As mentioned before, they are still waiting for to sort Fire Cert.
It all looks very exciting and encouraging….but can anyone explain the logic in having the “U2 Experience” located across the river, in a whole seperate building from the alleged U2 Tower??? I cannot get my head around that!
Also, Not sure I like the graphical depiction of how the Point Depot itself will be redeveloped…..it looks like it will have “theatre-like” stalls which will make it less adaptable for anything other than concerts and musicals/plays…surely given the desperate need for a multi-purpose event centre in this city/country – that should be taken into consideration also??
That green structure is the Temple Theatre, beside Temple Street Hospital….It’s had that wrapped around it for yonks….
oooh…thats a bit too Shanghai for the chimleys though isn’t it….??
Knock one, redevelop the other….something like the link below….
Now, we’d all love that. We would. It’d excite us more than any project undercurrent consideration for later rejection….:D
Ooooooh…here we go…let it RIP!
I agree with the M50 idea above….a big problem in this country in the past was that we build without a positive outlook. Infrastructure was “developed” to deal with the then, as opposed to the potential…so I would have made it an Irish Super Highway…4 lanes in each direction…toll free…oh and with car pool lanes…and a little further out…say north of Swords down, around to link with the N7 at Rathcoole or somewhere, Blessington??
They should not have just built the DART back in the early 80’s…they should have opted for the metro, with the Central Hub with spurs serving the 4 corners of the city i.e to the North East Malahide, Howth…to the North West, Blanch and beyond…to the South West…Talllllaght and Dun Laoighre and beyond down that way…with a special spur to the airport with both express and commuter capability…The Central Hub itself didnt/doesnt (?) have to be huge, coz we ain’t that big…but every major capital has a transportation hub,we STILL have to develop one…
Buildings wise….hmmm. Liberty Hall. Still calling for a lumberjack there….AND for a re-development…hold yer horses….
Many of the Quays…Usher….Ormond….Merchants…they should be redeveloped like Bachelors Walk…lovely….keep ’em Georgian, pretty and olde conformist. Would be much more attractiveHawkins House….is it gone yet?
Temple Bar Square…where the Haagen Dazs is…used to be nice….morto by it now.
Most of Pearse Street….very grotty looking…Pearse Street station could do with some work…and maybe some gold paint on the front facade and bridge features…very glamThose Poolbeg Towers are mong. Yeah they are like symbols now…but at the end of the day, they’re oversized chimneys…nothing special. I’d get the lumberjack topplin’ Liberty Hall to walk down and sort them out too. AND redevelop them…the area…the PD’s idea….?? Would it work if it looks like there’s a nuclear plant bang smack in the middle of it…not the most attractive of “Gateway’s”
No, it’s not.
But are we surprised really?
In all honestly like?Can’t wait for the day I log on here and actually go “WOW” at a new project…pleh. 😡
@alpha wrote:
i checked out http://www.castleforbessquare.com to see if there is a 14 storey building going up on that site. it doesn’t have as many floors as that. it seems to have only 10 including the ground floor.
MORE GENERIC YAWN…….
Hmmmm…
How can work on a metro station under O’Connell Street be considered “unnecessary”….I’d consider it quite essential…
I think they should close it off totally (or upper then lower) for the duration of any major metro works. The problem is too many people consider it when travelling into and out of town. Were it closed, they would have to take alternate routes….no big deal! It would be for the greater good. But perhaps not many DRIVERS would see it that way. :pAnyway I think long term, it’s image should be pushed as a “public plaza” more than as a “traffic thoroughfare”…..
Credit where credit due….
Reading through this thread, Limerick really seems to be planning and building some fantastic projects….the riverfront is looking really cool….and taking advantage of its proximity to Shannon by building an 8,000 seat arena will totally encourage more and more to the city for conferences ,concerts and the like…conferences and concerts that Dublin should be able to accommodate but that it cant….
Those in charge of planning down there are so on the ball, those in charge of planning in Dublin should take note….I mean there are suburbs bigger than Limerick within Dublin….God, it really grates on me!
I’m moving to Limerick.
http://www.capitasymonds.co.uk/projects/content/projects_696.asp?print=1
I think this might be what you’re referring to……but i think its the wrong way around to work in the new design.
God, imagine the hike from one end of the new airport to the next….imagine flying into the existing Pier B from somewhere European to connect to a new “long haul” onward flight leaving from the new Northern Extension, and having to walk all the way there. Maybe a mini transit system should be investigated. I know, say transit to the powers that be and its “ugh, eh, eek, hmmm, arggh…” but surely they could do small scale……surely.
No, actually I dont trust them. 😡
Seems they’re back from the pub, with their designs already…. 😮
I dunno…it seems all over the place…he he….its always a fear isn’t it? But a justified fear….unfortunately.
But I was looking at the DDA website and the original plan for “Pier D” back in 2002, which was sceduled to be open by now…. :confused: ….does specify catering for larger aircraft, including Boeing 747’s. Should they cater for the new double-decker Airbus? I’m thinking if they’re gonna built a modern, up-to-date airport, they should, even though they will probably never land there, at least they could if they had to. But then again, maybe they forgot this time…they forgot about transport development. At least they forgot to mention it….maybe there’s a part 2 due for release after lunch? Maybe the DAA have all gone to the pub to decide what they’re gonna do. Yep…Im gonna check back later.
I wanna see designs.
DAA announces plans for passenger terminal
The Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) has announced plans to build a new 50,000sq metre passenger terminal building at Dublin Airport to the south of the existing terminal facility and to the rear of the existing Pier C.
The new terminal is the core component of a €1.2bn, ten-year Framework Development Programme, announced by the DAA today (September 20) to increase Dublin Airport’s operational capacity from current levels of over 18m passengers per year, to over 30m passengers per year.
The new terminal, which will become operational in late 2009, will have a capacity for up to 15m passengers per year. It will cost between €170m and €200m to build depending on detailed design specification. The terminal’s design will accommodate long-haul routes and facilitate the onward transfer of passengers and luggage.
The DAA also plans to deliver significant additional aircraft contact stands within the next two years by building Pier D, for which it has already secured planning permission. The new two-storey, 200 metre-long structure will become operational at the northern edge of the airfield by late 2007.
Other key elements of the Framework Development Programme include:
· Provision of over 40 new wide and narrow-bodied aircraft contact stands by 2011 by constructing a second new pier adjoining the new terminal, and the extension of the existing Pier B.
· Provision of extensive new airfield surfaces for taxiing and remote parking of aircraft.
· Optimisation of the existing terminal building by building a northward extension and other alleviating measures.
· Upgrading of the airport’s road network and the provision of new arrivals and departures kerbside and set-down space.
“The DAA Framework Development Programme represents a comprehensive and swift response to the Government’s decision of last May that the company should build a new passenger terminal and other infrastructure at Dublin Airport to cater for ongoing strong growth in aviation traffic and passenger numbers,†said Gary McGann, Chairman, DAA.
“I am confident that by working closely with the airlines and other stakeholders, the DAA can now deliver at Dublin Airport, the dynamic gateway that Ireland’s 21st century economy requires and the high standards of comfort, safety and efficiency that our passengers and the broad community of airport users have a right to expect. The time for talking about these facilities is over, it’s now time for action and delivery†he stated.
Following the Government’s decision, the DAA appointed the London-based airport development consultants, Pascall & Watson to engage in a detailed consultation process with the principal airlines and other key stakeholders at Dublin Airport to ascertain their requirements for new and expanded airport facilities.
The DAA’s criteria underpinning the consultation process required cost-effective solutions that were deliverable within the timeframe set by the Government and delivered significant enhancement of passenger service levels. The solutions
also needed to be compatible with existing airport development plans, stated airline needs, and adaptable to likely changes in the aviation industry such as Open Skies.“Pascall & Watson’s recommendations have been approved by the Board of the DAA and are fully incorporated in the Framework Development Programme,†said Declan Collier, Chief Executive, DAA. “They have given us the blueprint to build the dynamic airport gateway this city and country require and proposed some short-term solutions to address the current pressure on passenger and aircraft capacity.
“As requested, they have recommended the optimum location and outline specification for the new terminal. They have advised as to the optimum scale and mix of aircraft contact stands we need to cater for up to 30m passengers per annum and the sequence in which this capacity needs to be built. And they have provided indicative costings for the overall development programme, for which the company now requires appropriate funding from the Commission for Aviation Regulation.
The DAA will soon award the contract to build Pier D and commence the tender process for the detailed design of the second passenger terminal. When these designs have been completed and costed in detail, they will be subject to independent verification as required by government, so as to provide additional assurance to all stakeholders that the DAA’s plans are cost effective.
“We will then move into the planning stage and a parallel public tender process for the construction phase of the development. All told, the pre-construction phase for the new terminal may take up to two years, followed by a subsequent two-year construction phase up to late 2009,†said Declan Collier.
“This is a very exciting and challenging project for the DAA and the company is determined to deliver facilities at Dublin Airport, which meet the business requirements of our customers and which represent appropriately the capital city airport of a progressive EU member state,†he added.
So what do we think…? Its not very detailed. I was hoping they would have some designs and stuff…but it seems like it could be good….I just hope the integration of it with the current terminal and piers doesn’t become its downfall. No mention of transport – apart from road improvements. So i guess, in typical Irish fashion, we’re all gonna be encouraged to continue driving there, coz we have no other real option….jeez.
he he…..I so know that feeling….how cool would it be.
Mind you, plans and designs for the new airport developments are to be released today, so ya never know….there might be some shocking ambitions that could actually see this become a reality by 2009…if RTE news is correct.
Were I a first time visitor to the city, emerging from a subway station onto O’Connell Street for my first ever glimpse of Dublin, I’d be mighty impressed. Not by the fact that I have just taken a metro from the airport to town, coz let’s face it, it seems a given in most other European cities anyway….but how fresh and clean it all looks….its deadly.
Here here, PDLL
They should have at least done some pre-emptive utility works, or even some feasibility studies…..maybe they have. But seriously, do any of us believe that they are that ahead of the game….?
As a Dubliner who no longer lives in Dublin, and who rarely gets into the city, I was pretty surprised and very impressed by the work that has thus far been carried out on the street. Admittedly it looks really, really good. Any changes to it now, to facilitate easy crossing of the street (!?!) would be wrong, wrong, wrong.
Standing in the median of O’Connell Bridge and Looking up the street is such a thrill now. It looks awesome – clean, planned, modern, historic, impressive. I was always in favour of the Spire, but wasn’t sure (before now) if it was in context…it integrates extremely well with the progrssing development. I’m raging I didn’t have my camera…..YES! The stance on building high rise in this country is SHOCKING. You would swear it was a criminal act or something! Dublin’s skyline is pretty much two chimneys (which were they buildings would be huge!) a spike and loads and loads of steeples!
Admittedly, there are very few (if any) cities in Europe of similar size to Dublin (Stockholm, Helsinki, Copenhagen…) who have impressive modern skylines….and like us, their skylines are noted more for, shorter, historic buildings and structures. And I’m all for the preservation of old stuff….but seriously, the Docklands (north and south) and perhaps the Hueston area should be developed in a way that maximises the true potential of the land space AND that adds to the aesthetics of a world renowned historic, yet modern city in the 21st century!
One thing that really annoys me is the “no, that will spoil the view when you look down Fitzwilliam Street” or “that will cast a huge big shadow over me all day, every day” mentality that seems to be preventing Dublin’s development upwards. So what, are we not to build of this age where builds can be seen alongside buildings of old? Should we build old style so they compliment the numerous old buildings??? and forget about optimum land usage and era? And should I ask the council to knock down the houses and shops across the street from me, coz they cast a fierce shadow over me sitting room and i get no sunlight after 4 every day….???? Its all a tad silly.
I really struggle with the problem with high rise! Will the stance ever change? Linda has pointed out all the proposals that are on hold – why are they on hold??
I think its slighty ironic that an Irish tourist on a first time visit to,say,New York or indeed London, will gaze in amazemant and wonderment at the tall buildings there, yet when it comes to building them on their home turf, they jump on the opposition band wagon….I dont get the mentality! And its obvious that that mentality is rampant amongst those who decide what to allow and not to allow.
