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Any type of building in particular?
Would you try one of the universities/colleges?
e.g. the science building in U.C.C., much of C.I.T.?
or a church of some sort? e.g. that church in Turner’s Cross?@alonso wrote:
@AndrewP wrote:
you must also bear in mind that the population of the southside is way higher. The DART runs to the entire built up extent of North Dublin, and beyond to Malahide, the same as on the southside. I don’t know where these northside slums between the Airport and Town are. Whitehall and Drumcondra? Hardly. Of course Metro North should be built as should the Finglas Luas. However it’s the northsiders that vote FF in higher numbers and it’s the northsiders who provided us with Bertie Ahern and Charlie Haughey. Call it karma if you like.
I was joking about the slums – I live there!
The north/ south population gap is not big enough to warrant the emerging public transport disparity. That gap is now closing with the pace of development and I think extending the DART to Balbriggan is something that should be fast-tracked (excuse the pun).[quote=Why the hell should the metro north continue through Ranelagh to Bray ? just to add to the DART & LUAS is it? not quite enough choice for the spoilt southsiders then ?
Has anyone else detected a note of northside discrimination in the negative rumblings about the metro? From the start, various commentators have been raising eyebrows and asking why we need a rail service to foreign-sounding places like Lissenhall.
The only reason this is going ahead is because it was sold as an airport link, thereby allowing tourists to get straight to Grafton street without having to see the sprawling slums of DNS. If anyone proposed spending that much money on something as frivolous as letting northsiders get in and out of town they wouldn’t have had a hope. And the only reason it’s going on out to Swords is because Fingal CC fought tooth and nail for it. More often than not, it’s still referred to as the airport metro in the media, the Times being the most reluctant to accept its ultimate destination.
Of course this is nothing new. The public transport experience on the southside has been a much happier one for a long time. The DART line there is nearly twice as long, running deep into another county while pretty much all of north county Dublin is left to cram into infrequent commuter trains. Luas is exclusively a southside commuter service. Out of 36 stops (correct me if I’m wrong) , a grand total of seven are on the northside, all of them in the city centre and useful only to tourists and lazy criminals going to court.Personally I’m disappointed to see the twisting tower won’t be built. I thought it looked fantastic. So there’s a few more around the world, so what? It still looked great. This new design just doesn’t compare. Crying shame. 🙁
@GregF wrote:
Foster stuff is always kinda cool, but this is terribly angular, compared to all the curvy ‘organic’ shaped stuff today, ie…the Gherkin. Kinda hard to get used to it, after visualising the twisting tower here instead.
His Hearst Building in New York is pretty angular, as is his contibution to the new world trade centre. On first glance this has more going for it than either of those buildings, IMO
Prediction: 12-ish storey “tasteful” faux-modernist replacement barely visible from anywhere. Only redeeming feature lack of mansard roof. An Taisce wins again.
If I’m not mistaken there’s a wine-coloured brick building on Brian Road in Marino that’s identical to the Cashel Road one. It’s on the bit that faces the Malahide Road and is in a much happier state of repair.
I always hated that thing. Cant believe its being replaced exactly as it was. The colours look like a cheap Xmas lantern decoration. Should have had a competition to restore the facade and put in a new (modern) canopy. Oh well.
@PTB wrote:
Trees on a stone (or is it a metal bridge? I can’t remember what the bridge actually looks like. I just remember the awful kiosks) bridge?
In containers of course.
Am I the only one why actually thought these things were ok? The problem was with the idea of selling bokos from them, not tha fact they they were there.
My solution:
Keep two of them – The ones on either end. Then invert them so that they face each other. One will be a cafe kiosk, the other will be a tourist info kiosk. Put landscaped trees and some seating in the middle. Simple.
As for the other two, put them in another location such as St Stephens green, with the same uses as above.
Speaking of, whats happened to the ones for O Connell St?
@cokedrinker wrote:
Can somebody with knowledge of building structure please comment on this please –
The images of the model above, show what seems to be structural columns which are twisting in the same direction at the perimeter of the building. My take on it (as a student), is that these twisting columns are connected to the structural core within each floor level by steel beams , and that this is the primary structure of the building : twisting columns, beams and core. The twisting columns would also support the glazed facade. Does this sound right? or is there something else going on.
Im asking because i have a similar structural solution with my design project (columns which twist in the same direction)… earlier in the year one of my tutors told me i would need columns running in the opposite direction also, to counteract the forces or whatever.
I dont see why, considering how small the floor plates are, there would be a need to have a supporting structure in this location. Unless it is supporting the facade system which is possible, but I doubt its part of the primary structure. On the other hand, it might just be there to hold the model itself together, and will not feature on the finished building.
Regarding your project with twisting colus and the tutors comments, I assume he was refering to a lattice type structure similar to that of Fosters Gerkhin in London?
Saw from the DARTearlier in the year that they appeared to be testing different colours on small patches. Including a light silvery-grey that would have perfectly matched our Irish summer skies. Oh well, maybe the gunmetal is an undercoat…
@darkman wrote:
Article in todays Sunday Times about the tower and saying how its become a complete farce. Also insinuating that U2 may be influencing whats going on with the tower:mad: What the hell does it have to do with them anyway?:mad: 😡 Original design likely to be dropped. Its thought U2 want a ‘star’ architect to win the tender at the expense of the original twisting design.
Its well known that some U2 members know Gehry personally. They met with him prior to original compitition. Frankly i’m getting sick of the whole process. The model in the above photos is spot on.
@shanekeane wrote:
what is the problem with skyscrapers casting shadows? (not that the U2 tower is actually a skyscraper!) compare frankfurt, which is absolutely deadened and made boring by the distance between skyscrapers and empty plazas between them, and new york, which is made utterly fascinating by the proximity of its tall buildings. some parts of wall st. and around grand central station never see the light of day, and yet are absolutely captivating, adding enormously to the energy of the areas.
I agree, the issue of tall buildings’ shadows is blow out of all proportion, Its not the end of the world to be in a bit of shade, especially in a city. Dublin is usually lit with ambient light from cloud cover anyway. 10/20+ storey buildings should be clustered in districts around the edge of the city centre as in other European cities (which I think is happening… gradually).
Building restrictions should be enforced to a degree in the historical core of the city, regarding any inappropriate building, not just tall ones. But we need a LOT more high density in Dublin generally, otherwise the low-density urban sprawl will get out of hand.
I’ve noticed on the M50 upgrade page that the new N4 junction will be a ‘full free flowing interchange’ while the N7/Red Cow junction will be ‘partial free flow interchange’. What does this difference mean in practical terms? I can’t see much physical difference between the two junctions myself, besides the luas bridge on the latter.
@Peter FitzPatrick wrote:
I suppose that would require temporary raod closure Greg (not that big a deal really imo), certainly better than permanently obliterating a substantion section of the median trees …
I’ve still heard no logical explanation as to why it cannot be positioned on the plaza & face north.
Whatever the reason, DCC has said the trees are permanently felled and the horrible gap is now designated the spot for the erection of the crane to service the “self-cleaning” spire every year and a half or so. Apart from the disgraceful compromise of the O’Connell Street plan, am I alone in thinking Mr Ritchie should be addressing the flaw in his design, or footing the cleaning bill?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_par_Sol
That explains the cableless trams in Bordeaux. Very complex, and very expensive given it’s for aesthetic reasons only.
I still don’t think tastefully done tram cables are particularly ugly. The ESB cabling on many streets in many of our towns and cities are absolutely hideous messes.
You can add batteries to the trams too, so they can run cable-free for a KM or two then reconnect once out of the area.
E.g. this could be used to get trams through Dublin’s College Green without wires.
Likewise, Cork could do that for the Patrick Street area.
