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i understood that careys recently purchased the sextant bar on the corner of albert quay, and i do not know whether carey’s is being put on the market but i assume they will sell at some stage – and will definitely receive a substantial price for this important site
Lexington,
I would just like to defend the Planning Dept. decision on Old Friary Place Development.
Here are one or two of the points of objection:The Drawings submitted were inaccurate and contradictory.
The proposed car parking was incorrect and could not hold the amount of car parking spaces indicated, which was in any case too few for the proposed development.
The development proposed to build 3 storey buildings on its boundary wall with the neighbouring properties – they proposed to build a wall approx. 6m above the finished floor level of the houses to the rear, on the boundary wall between the properties – between 1.5 and 5m away from the rear of these houses.
The developer also sought to unlawfully interefere with a number of easements on site – 2 rights to light (one rendering a house uninhabitable) and a Public Right of Way (though this technically is a legal, not planning issue).
If you would like, I can email you a copy of the objection submission.
lexington – i realise that the public was given adequate time – i was just surprised that no-one made a submission – it is highly unusual and i bet mr o flynn is surprised too
anyway, i also agree about the copper element – otherwise, it looks fairly ok and harmless enough – fingers crossed
good images there lexington, although it would be interesting to see the monatges from the west and north as well – from the quays and from copley/cotter street area. its amazing that no submissions were received – did people miss out i wonder?
diaspora
i think there have been greater losses in terms of the city’s historical and physical fabric in the last 18 months alone. fr mathew hall was, for some reason, not listed, and its value has only been recognised when the developer ‘attacked’ it’. already, the city has lost 3 hugely significant structures to fire ! good sheperd convent (dodgy fire) sunbeam industrial centre (dodgy fire) and tivoli house (dodgy fire). perhaps mr tracy would have been better advised to use matches than a jcb.
also,
i really find it difficult to understand why individuals have a problem with the type of content posted here. whats the problem with presenting information to the forum for discussion?
does anyone know anything about which side of the boole library is being extended. Tommy Barker, in today’s examiner, seems to suggest it will be extended on the north side – facing the quad- is this the case? it would be a shame. surely the south side to the quarry would be preferable.
other favourite buildings
-old Cork & Limerick Savings Bank, Lapps Quay/Parnell Place
-old Lord Mayors House near Grenville Place (Mercy Hosp)
-Crawford & its extension to half moon st
-St Marys, Popes Quay
-Turners X Church
-Warehouses, Custom House Point
-College of Commerce Building (even better with its rooftop extension)
-firkin crane butter marketwhat do people think of the boole library?
saw it recently in night time, for the first time in a few years, and i think its definitely up there with cork’s best buildings- a real classic in my opinion. it a strong and commanding structure, but manages to avoid undermining the particular quality of the quad. it has also aged very well (so far) and is as ‘fresh’ as it was when first opened. in addition, it functions very well and is a very effective library space. anyone?
i have to agree with diaspora on the tellenganna issue.
The blackrock road is not a sleepy suburban avenue and an occasional (limited) small office development is not particularly harmful. there is a demand for urban offices outside the central island, not all office users want a south mall or lapps quay location, nor do they all want suburban ‘industrial’ locations. better here than little island or the airport i say.
in terms of traffic, the impact of the tellenganna development pales in comparison to the Lyonshall development in blackrock village.
in relation to visual impact, im unsure as the montage is just a single impression. i have no difficulty with placing a contemporary building in these grounds, as it doesnt represent a loss of green space per se, its not public land, and has no recreational value as an unused private garden space.
using the large gardens of major institutional or residential buildings is a dilemma. sometimes, however these happen to be in very central locations, and are hugely important urban land resources, also permitting limited development on these lands can be part of a trade off – this usually helps fund restoration/conservation of existing structures, and i think this is acceptable; and preferable to letting them rot away.
Diaspora, leaving aside the debate on this issue, re AT and Cork in general, i think it uneccesary that you undermine the nature of certain people’s contributions (ie tenant lists etc).
This thread is important, useful and valued by many, and contributions do not always relate directly to architecture or design, but is extremely informative for many (not all i appreciate). As someone with a keen interest in the City’s built environment and development scene, it happens to provide a rare insight into what is happening ‘down here’.
there is limited public discussion/debate on our built environment in this country, and in Cork, opportunities are very limited. Its good to have access to a source such as this and to be able to debate/discuss the city….at last.
Diaspora,
the ‘Luas’ proposal was the result of a UCC study as far as I know and i think referred to a link between rail station and city centre, and im unsure of what benefit this short link would have.
i do think that a dedicated tram system may be viable from CIT-Curraheen- Bishopstown-University Hos.-Wilton-UCC-Washington St-Bus Station-South Docks-Blackrock-Mahon.
no need to physically cross the river just to hit the train station, kenneddy quay on the south docks would be sufficient if the 2 pedestrian bridges across custom hse qy were in place.
you are right, this has been ignored, probably because it was an Echo Story and sometimes the Echo should be read with spoons of salt
saw the examiner too, and i think it looks quite good from south link, however, i would also like to see how the rest of the site is configured and some idea of the view from the quays.
in general, i cant see any difficulty in principle with a medium rise building on that corner, i wonder where the objections will come from? because they will come….. potentially from Jewtown as they are the closest residential area, An Taisce may also but i see little opportunity for reasoned objection.
i think the van egeraat extension was very clever and works quite well. i personally am fond of it, particularly the flow and bulging of brickwork to half moon street
New Town on Bandon Road? Would that be the proposal by M O Flynn a number of years back, for a new town near Ovens? Was rejected as it went against the CASP principles and sustainable expansion of the city based on public transport corridors.
City’s proposal for webworks/data centre on Albert Quay, are Howard Holdings developing that? anyone?
i agree blimp, i think the showgrounds would be the optimum location for a venue of this type, it is highly accessible in terms of vehicular and pedestrian traffic, provides sufficient space, and such a development would be entirely complementary to existing uses, and could incentivise the gaa to start thinking about p ui c before it crumbles into nothingness.
to be honest, id be happy for a concert venue to go almost anywhere but mahon, owen o c can build his convention centre there, but should he really be allowed to drag this type of opportunity out of the city to MP? which is, by the way, beginning to look pretty poor from an aesthetic point of view. shed point more like it.
more i think about it the loft building, would be an excellent location, have a look at the list of sites identified by cork city council in their draft area action plan cornmarket st, available on website, good, comprehensive piece of work here by the way, illustrates development potential of a number of sites in this area.
would this, by any chance, be required for a UK based pub/restaurant operation? to hold circa 1200 people?
Capitol Cinema site Grand Parade?
Patrick’s Quay – somewhere?
Loft building, Cornmarket Street?Bookmakers intend to apply for planning permission for the change of use and works as outlined below to the protected structure at 28 Lower O”Connell St., Dublin 1. Ground Floor/Basement; the change of use of the existing banking hall into a betting office/sports cafe to include the internal fit out, refurbishment of existing plasterwork, timberwork, stone cladding and flooring and installation of 3 new satellite dishes to the roof to facilitate the betting office function, the cleaning of the existing facade and installation of new non-illuminated signage. First, second, third and fourth Floors; The change of use of the existing banking offices into a restaurant / cafe and associated ancillary services. Internal fit out includes the making of additional opes to existing internal partitions and the refurbishment of the existing plasterwork, skirting, architraves and timberwork.
its true, the taxi situation needs to be contolled badly, they have ruined the space up by the statue. the city council seem to be afraid to take them on and shift their stand off the street, they are acting like pure bullyboys…and getting away with it. the taxi drivers believe that pana was refurbished to facilitate them and them only, its a pity really cause the street looks and feels remarkably well and is now a real pleasure to perambulate, and doing pana of an afternoon has been restored as an age old tradition in a street environment it deserves. ?
According to the Indo today, the project is in doubt because of rising costs – E20m estmate is now E38m.
Hey Sean – if you’re going to post a rant about ‘stupidity and ignorance’ in future, it may be more effective if you learned to spell first.
Fair enough, you got ‘metropolis’ right once out of several attempts, but next time you might want to run a spell check over delusions of ‘grandure’ and ‘tunnell’. And ‘Manilla’. And ‘Shangai’.Just a thought.
Ah ah… Isn’t that Alan Partridge’s catchphrase?
