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Given the state of public transport on the northside as it is, I’m less than confident that anything will be put in place to make this prison even reasonably accessible. But that probably won’t be a problem if public opinion is anything like the ‘good enough for them’ attitude to prisoners’ families in this thread. Does being related to a criminal make you one?
Anyway, I think they should have taken the opportunity to move the prison even further out. I’m sure it won’t be long before the city sprawls out to there, and there is still plenty of land further north, near the M1 and railway line…Percentages can vary greatly depending on the size of the project but just from the term “extension”, 10% sounds about about right.
It should however be broken into 3 stages of of 33% each for:
1. Design and Applying for Planning, 2. Working Drawings and 3. Overseeing/Signing off etc.
From the information you have given, it is arguable that it was neither designed, nor (it seems) were working drawings done – in which case 3% of the total (plus something extra for the survey depending on size – e.g €500-€1000) would seem to be the correct amount payable.
However if the project was so small that it did not require Planning, then the percentage rules generally wouldn’t apply – one would usually charge a fixed fee of say €1500-€4000.To avoid bringing it to a lawyer, first of all get as many facts about percentages etc. – possibly send a query to the RIAI at http://www.riai.ie , also there is a Competition Authority Report on some fee structures for architects (though probably not too much help) .
Certain other bodies also have guidelines – the Dept. of Education has guidelines for payments for the various stages that an architect completes as well, you might be able to access a report on-line.When you’ve got as much info as possible, you can threaten the guy properly.
Best of luck .
Best of luck with your search for architectural gems amongst the detritus of Cork. Besides some buildings by Magee Creedon and some Corporation schemes, I’m afraid you’ll sadly not have much success…
What’s the story with the Village Inn in Sunday’s Well, it was supposed to have gone for a second planning application but it’s still standing getting uglier and probably more dangerous by the day.
Also, anyone know what Mr Hegarty is doing with the Good Shepherd’s now?im assuming o flynn’s have submitted the eis as a response to the request for further information, and this ad refers to that? or maybe there is actually a new application + eis
phatman – agree about the quays generally – good point about need to integrate quaysides with the quayfront buildings – howard hodlings have certainly lead the way with lapps quay. how about an amendment to cork city councils planning contribution sceme? cork city could include a Special Quayside Levy as a ‘Special Contribution’ on to certain waterfront developments – they would have to identify a need and a scheme that that funding would be directed towrads (or ringfenced) and develop an actual programme – i am sure developers wiould gladly contribute to such a fund as their developments would benefit from a river renewal programme – but i do think that reversing the one way system on remaining quays is the first step – because the quays are effectively a barrier to north south pedestrian movement due to traffic conditions – btw – i think that the south channel of the lee is largely ok – its the north channel that requires particular attention
phatman, i agree about the north quays east & downriver from Patrick’s bridge – its a complete mess as is merchants quay + andersons quay also. i also agree that the riverside potential will take a long time to be realised – that is because there is so much quayside within the city (even excluding docklands).
but the city has traditionally ignored + abused the riverside context – one way traffic systems for example – eg popes quay is almost destroyed – its a broad quay and effectively has 2 lane road activity in one direction – compare it with what is one of the city’s most attractive and succesful quaysides – the north mall – narrow quayside with 2 way traffic – no problem.
some new developments of late are beginning to re-address the quays and about time – lavitts quay, lapps quay for eg, but there should be a very focussed planning framework for the river – a quayside or river action plan or design ‘guide’.
also, i wouldnt be too keen on using limerick’s riverside developments as a model – its very poor in my opinion – all that red brick should be thrown in the shannon
“the hotel and apartment block A be granted permission and that the remaining apartment blocks as per the drawings of 09/11/04 be further modified as follows:-
– Apartment Block C be reduced from 6/7 storeys to 5 storeys
– 7 storeyed N-S apartment Blocks B and D be reduced to 5 storeys.
– Apartment Block E be reduced to 2 storeys.2had a look at the proposed routes, and i do think that the city needs a northern ring route badly – this will be essential as an integral part of the city and region’s strategic network and will have a major role in the rebalancing of the city – physically and economically. However, it will only benefit the city if it is delivered in conjunction with the proposed suburban rail service from midleton/cobh via the city to Blarney/Mallow. It could assist in delivering an essential part of CASP – the re-focussing of the city north and east and would greatly encourage the realsisation of Monard as a new urban centre and railway station development.
the south ring route is already at capacity and the kinsale road flyover will not improve movements around the city to any great degree.
btw lexington, the environmental costs of tunnelling are relatively minor in comparison to the alternatives of cutting through those city ridges at kerry pike/lee valley. also these 3 options may be more acceptable in terms of the impact on archaeology. route d (the only one that doesnt include tunnelling) is sited far too close to the northern city suburbs and would become an M50 equivalent within 15 years and effectively a distributor road with more and more junctions added as time goes on and development pressures swallow the route.
submissions on a planning application may be made within 5 weeks of the validation of the planning application – is it the cas ethat these submissions were received after the 5 weeks? Whether there was a Further Information requested or not, any submissions after the 5 weeks should (under the Planning and Development Act) be returned to the sender and not be accepted!
also noticed today that cork city council have published pre-qualification notices for companies interested in tendering for works relating to grand parade! good news – finishing off beth gali scheme up there soon hopefully
btw, i hear that there are now 2 submissions on Wilson’s Application for An Post site! how is that? i thought the time was up – was this because of the further information request?
8 storeys is not a bit much!
its facing south ring road i expect, no overlooking or overshadowing, no adjacent dwellings.
but still expect appropriate levels of traditional douglas outrage from the douglas click who still thinj they live in a village
this whole antihigh rise thing in bishopstown is pathetic – there are no high rise buildings in bishopstown! not one, jerry buttimer is beginning to make a fool of himself on this issue – and looked particularly silly on the failed section 4 attempt recently. bishopstown is admittedly predominantly low rise but we shouldnt be encouraging unsustainable and uninspiring designs just because that is what is there already. bishopstown, like any other established suburb in the city should not have high rise buildings inserted – but 4 and 5 and 6 storeys are appropriate if designed tastefully and sensitively – this is a city after all – the anti high rise people need to be told that they have nothing to be afraid of as there are no plans for high rise in bishopstown and that 4 storeys is not high rise – or even medium rise
i actually like victoria mills, it does not have a negative visual impact from any approach, doesn’t overlook, it is simple and unpretentious, AND BRAVE, looks very well at night. i have heard people whinge about this building as soon as they heard 9 storeys mentioned, before the structure was even being put in place. i honestly think that if that site instead had been developed as a cheap three storey red brick mock georgian confused looking building with 2 foot balconies that discolour before the contractor has left the site, people would not have uttered a thing –
we have worse buildings than this in the city that we should be talking about
In response to Phatman:
While the materials to the Philisview Building are appropriate, there is no rigour or logic to the architectural forms used. None of the shapes used are not properly expressed and do not properly “follow through”.
To see buildings which properly use a similar language and palate to see how it’s actually done, with proper logic and expression – look at the scheme by Creedon Magee off North Main St. and again their scheme at Coppinger’s Court, both of which have won awards.(I’m not from that office, btw).
I would agree that if Victoria Mills is extended to the petrol station it would be too large, and I would have preferred if the bit at the back were 2 storeys lower.
I’ve a question for other viewers of the thread from Cork: personally I find Victoria Mills above average, and I approve of the density for the site. I am much more offended by buildings such as that ugly hotel across the from the County Hall, and “pseudo architecture” like that Philisview Properties Building on Washington St. – it’s a project that would barely scrape a 4 in 2nd year, and looks like someone asked for an “architectural” design from someone clearly incapable of it. What I find sad about a building like this is that the client obviously would have paid for actual architecture, and instead was landed with this flabby “ah sure, a bit a’timber, some sticky out bits and some curved roofs’ll make it architecture alright” rubbish.
I’m just wondering what other people’s thoughts are – especially those who are architects and those who are not. Does being an architect colour one’s view of such things?
(I’m an architect)
That looks like the European Parliament buildings in Brussels. Only smaller, obviously.
I know the funding has been granted, but is there any news on the Midleton railway line? When is work due to start?
Might be nice improvement, so long as they keep the real coal fires!
We Bewley”s Oriental Cafes Ltd, intend to apply for permission for development consisting of refurbishment, extension and part change of use of the existing hotel and cafe at Bewley”s 10/11/12 Westmoreland Street, 19/20 Fleets Street & 1-5 Prices Lane, Dublin 2 ,which are protected structures. Amendments to include refurbishment / minor alterations to existing hotel rooms and common areas, relocation of reception area and restaurant and new cocktail bar to the ground floor cafe rooms, with new cafe entrance, canopy and additional Street lighting onto Prices Lane, conversion of existing reception at first floor to bedrooms, new accessible ramp and cafe tables on Fleet Street pavement outside existing main entrance, additional infill bedrooms on third and fourth floor roof areas at rear on Prices Lane, minor facade alterations on Prices Lane, Rationalisation and enclosure of existing rooftop ventilation services, removal of existing modern mezzanine level and removal and change of use of existing ground floor front servery area (to Westmoreland Street) from Cafe to retail shop with dedicated link to rear service area on Prices Lane.
