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@ihateawake wrote:
….the fact is [high rise] WOULD solve alot of problems….urban sprwal as linda and other thread say is a very bad thing and is destroying our countryside, congestion is slowing the city considerably
I’m sorry – I do not mean to sound snotty – but it’s just not getting through to the ‘pro-high-rise’ people: There is no connection between sprawl and high buildings. A choice between sprawl or high buildings is a false choice.
The reason sprawl happened is not because we didn’t build high buildings but because we built at low densities, in development designed for the motor car.
There is a huge volume of unutilised space on the upper floors of the 4 and 5-storey buildings all over the city centre. The Living Over the Shop incentive scheme of a couple of years ago failed.]extremely well[/I] in terms of density. Then you can have your taller landmarks (assuming they are worthy of landmarks, which nothing presented thus far for Dublin, to my eye, is).
A factor that needs to be noted in this debate is that the higher blocks of buildings are, generally speaking, the further apart they need to be (to fulfil plot ratio and open space requirements, and so as lower-floor residents facing into a courtyard are not in semi-darkness most of the time), thus cancelling out any density gain after a certain height.
I’d say when the vast majority of them were taken up in the late ’70s they were dumped or destroyed, because very few cared about things like that then. But I’d really like to know what happened to the 2 or 3 that were inexcusably removed (from the last surviving group of them) just a couple of years ago on College Street – as noted by Phil – & replaced with heritage reproductions.
Will stick this, one of the 6 remaining, here (pic has appeared before):
Yeah, it’s such a jumble isn’t it.. We’ll stick this bit here & we’ll stick that bit there…..that park encapsulates “Pat Liddy Dublin” for me.
Ah yes!
There was some kind of a patch up job done on its appearance there about a year ago. The fencing was removed from the roof and the shopfront & upper facade were painted in more neutral colours. – Maybe the council thought it was having a negative effect on the kiosks (guffaw).
@pier39 wrote:
it reminds me of the hotel concorde in paris not far from the arc de triomphe. the location is totally unsuited
The effect on Cork’s ‘signature’ view – the view from Nano Nagle Bridge to St. Finbarr’s with South Gate Bridge and the terraces of Sullivan’s/Proby’s Quay in the foreground – would’ve been terrible.
As said it’s a docklands type building.
There was a solicitors in it – Egan Cosgrave – until about 5 years ago – think they own it too. They moved to Lr. Baggot Street. Yeah it’s disgraceful the way it’s just been left vacant ever since.
It’s a Protected Structure, so if something obviously needs to be repaired, like a roof letting in water, you can ask the council to serve a Section 59 notice on the owner, compelling them to fix it. There’s definitely a case for the council CPO’ing it.
I was in the building just before it was vacated…was trying to get their permission to carry out a study on it for a postgrad course I was doing at the time…was essentially told to f*** off. I was on the first floor; there’s some nice carved window cases behind those lovely gothic arched windows you can see. The building of course appears in the 1790s Malton print looking across Grattan (then Essex) Bridge.
You know the way it juts out relative to Upr. Ormond Quay? Well how a truck has never ploughed into it in all these years I don’t know… It will hopefully make it safely into the era of no trucks & reduced traffic levels/speeds on the quays.
That’s hilarious (above images for Gnd Parade site). It would never in a million years get planning permission.
Equivalent to O’Connell Bridge House, Dublin, in inappropriateness.@Morlan wrote:
How hard/expensive would it be to reproduce a classic Dublin Georgian Façade for example? A bit of granite, some red brick and a few sash windows… it can’t be that hard to reproduce.
Some of the 60s “shite†you refer to is now considered to add to the richness of the city. Reproduction Georgian on the other hand will never add to the richness of the city.
They’re on Sheare’s Street. Fenn’s Quay was an old name from when the street was a water course. It was resurrected as the restored terrace were originally quay-houses.
What I’m wondering is why they only received the conservation medal this year when the restoration was completed at least 7 years ago…
That’s interesting. It’s quite sad when you see them around the country and a few panels are cracked; ‘cos you know the whole front is likely to be replaced – you can’t just go and get a replacement panel like you can a piece of timber…
Ranelagh: Yes when it was first converted to the restaurant (circa 2000) the metal was placed only over the lower section of the front, as seen in the first pic. But in the second pic – taken yesterday – the metal has been put over the rest of it too.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
The Jordan one is my favourite, and fantastic sashes upstairs too, tucked in under the eaves :). What’s the likelihood of them still being there….?
That pic is recent enough – they’re still there. There’s a mad old dear in the shop as well!!
That’s a lovely group on Sheare’s Street. They recently won a conservation award, didn’t they?
I love this unified terrace on Washington Street – they’re as good as anything by the Wide Streets Commissioners in Dublin (& same mezzanine shopfront concept). But they’re in a bad way – lots of unsympathetic alterations. I would love to see them receive some attention:
(sorry about blurry-ness; shrinking images down a lot loses sharpness)
Yeah, I was thinking that myself, but it didn’t seem to be (underneath) on closer inspection.
Actually, I went in and asked one day but the only person there didn’t have good english – meant to go back again but never got around to it…Here’s a few:
Ranelagh, Dublin. This was a launderette up to the late-‘90s. Then it was taken over by Nectar restaurant who fortunately recognised the value of the authentic ‘50s front. But more recently the baby blue vitrolite panels were replaced with stainless steel :confused: (it was the only one I know of in this colour in the country).
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A fine specimen in Arklow.
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Roscommon Town. The shop was closing down when this was taken a few years ago, so it could be gone now (is there anyone in Roscommon to confirm whether or not it’s still there?).
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Naas – nice.
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Carrickmacross. Closed but maintaining its dignity.
There’s a fair few left around the country.
Better leave it at that and not give all my photos away to archiseek!!@Morlan wrote:
Haha, great picture Graham – Attack of the Auld Biddies or what! 😀
Actually that’s my pic, Morlan.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
I think a cold shower is in order for you young man 🙂
I’m not of that sexual persuasion as it happens.
But I think the phallic comparison is relevant ; the tall buildings existing & planned so far in the Docklands are seriously lacking in visual interest & imagination. As said before on the forum the stuff that’s appearing up and down the UK shows what can be done. I am hoping that things like Tara Street have been delayed so long they’ll be subject to a redesign.
And the the U2 tower…..boring!…it absolutely does not warrant a 40% increase in size. What is needed here is something that picks up on the distinctiveness of Dublin that is also distinctive itself – not that crappy boring twisted pointy hat…35/35a Barrow Street
WOW that thing’s terrible! It just looks like a big erect penis!
The Paul Keogh tower for Heuston (below), whatever about its controversial location, at least has some sculpting about it. But this one above just looks like the architect designed a floor and pressed copy 32 times 🙁 .[align=center:jmpeawt7]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[/align:jmpeawt7]
@J. Seerski wrote:
For those not in the know, the Ormond (in Dublin city centre) is due for demolition.
John, just to prove it wasn’t lost without a fight, here was the An Taisce appeal.
Incidentally, I heard that the current owner didn’t intend to go through with the redevelopment himself when he sought planning, and that he may have just wanted to sell it on with approval for a bigger new building…..but don’t count on it…
