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@Graham Hickey wrote:
I voted for B as it avoids College Green, i.e. saves College Green from wires and poles, as it does with O’Connell Bridge and Street.
Even if the cables have ‘minimal’ impact on College Green as will be spouted, personally I couldn’t care less – cables are cables: wires that will clutter the views of our finest buildings.Would you feel this way if the poles & cables could be put underground through this area as has been done in Bordeaux and other places? (I ask this as a strong supporter of ‘Route A’)
Pardon me ctesiphon – when I posted that, I hadn’t yet read the poll thread where you suggested Grafton Street (but for me going underground would defeat the purpose).
My view on routes is that the ‘consultation process’ is a charade and that there was only ever one route; the original 1995 route – now ‘Route A’ … Time will tell, I suppose.
I was half joking. Of course it would never happen because of the people, even though it would be right in every other way.
@adhoc wrote:
the fuss over Harcourt St. was the work of one woman seeking publicity for her not wildly successful business.
She was so full of crap!!! At one point she said people were going to come out of the nightclubs and fall in front of the trams! :rolleyes: The things we have to go through to get a decent city!!
I think Luas should go down Grafton Street on its way to O’Connell Street ( 🙂 ) . Is this route up for consideration?! In Amsterdam, trams go down a busy shopping street, Leidsestraat, with no great problems (below). Would help to clear some people off Grafton Street too!! There are always too many people on it! And it’s the shortest, most direct route … no right turns!
DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATING BREWER’S HOUSE (‘THE BREWERY BLOCK’)
A link posted elsewhere on the forum recently (http://www.udi.ie/osud/00005/contents.html) gives information about the development mentioned earlier in the thread at the southeast corner of Ardee Street and the Coombe bypass (by Sheehan & Barry Architects) incorporating the Georgian Brewer’s house, No. 10 Ardee Street (which is one of the finest old houses in the Liberties) and encompassing a whole block (Ardee Street, Coombe Bypass, Newmarket & Brabazon Row): http://www.udi.ie/osud/00005/page%2028.html – Just looking at the images, you can see that it is a carefully-considered development. The traditional fine grain is maintained around the Georgian house and its associated buildings, and the higher buildings are established away from these, at the eastern end of the bypass frontage. A green space is provided in the courtyard.
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THE 7-STOREY MONSTER (NO OFFICIAL NAME GIVEN IN PDF)
There is also information about the seven-storey monster (also covered on the previous page in this thread): http://www.udi.ie/osud/00005/page%2017.html – KMD Architecture are the designers.
Just as the Georgian wallpaper of the Zoe apartment schemes and other mediocre tax-driven renewal schemes are now seen as mistakes of the ‘90s, I think this building and a number of others in the city centre (the enormous bulky development at the corner of Capel Street and Mary’s Abbey would be another) are going to be seen as the mistakes of the ‘00s, where the trend was to squeeze as much as possible onto the site and cynically disguise the bulk with “contemporary” features and finishes.
I can see what happened here: they went for seven stories over the whole bypass frontage to ‘insure’ themselves, thinking they would probably lose a floor or two in planning – especially at the Ardee Street end where it interfaces with the protected Georgian House – but would still get a big building. But the idiot Dublin City Council planner granted the whole thing exactly as presented!! The care taken by the above-mentioned Sheehan & Barry development has been rendered almost meaningless by this monster!
If anyone thinks I am being OTT, go over there and have a look for yourself (or if you’re not in Dublin, see it next time you’re here). As Graham said, it looks even worse in real life (than in the pictures) and dominates the whole area in a horrible way. This is the last time I’m talking about this building because I’m so annoyed about it. My last word is: shame on you KMD for proposing and getting passed what will be a permanent blot in the area, one which had a special character and needed a careful response. The architect has a responsibility to the city and not just to push through the biggest possible development for the client.
…..Going off track.
Post 34 by republicofcork is one of the best contributions ever on Cork on the site. You can’t keep calling black white. As republicofcork carefully explained, why No. 21 Lavitt’s Quay is wrong is not a matter of opinion. Writing a 4,000 word reply does not validate your reply. You are prolonging a debate when there is none.
Defending No. 21 Lavitt’s Quay on the basis that it hides a multi-storey carpark is the last straw. Stockholm is demolishing its multi-storey carparks. The cark park is irrelevant – it could be gone in 5 or 10 years. Even if it weren’t, it has no relevance to the ridiculous inapprpriateness of the below building.
Shield your eyes, people
@lexington wrote:
I would only ask that when people do choose to voice [an opinion] that they do so in a sense that does not ill-portray their character.
You did your fair share of this when you first joined the forum.
Don’t bother answering, republicofcork. He just doesn’t get it…
He doesn’t now and he won’t ever by the sounds of things…….
It depends what ‘original’ means – it does seem that cobbles/setts have to have been in place for a considerable period of time to get that smooth look where they look like they are almost knitted together. There are actually a few patches on Foster Place (one outside Starbucks) which have been lifted and re-laid, and have that lumpy bumpy Temple Bar-sett look 🙁 .
Those nicely laid areas around the drains were probably done a few decades ago at least.Richards,
in my experience of the protection measures for Dublin’s historic street and paving materials, there wouldn’t be any conservation consultation process for utilities companies or anyone else requiring to dig up the street, even though Foster Place’s setts are listed for protection in the Development Plan. The street has probably just survived in a good state because there are few services running under it (because it’s just a short cul de sac).@republicofcork wrote:
It looks overscaled – does this image represent the plan as finally approved? – another blow for Cork’s quayside.
Well said republicofcork – there was a strong case for reusing the ‘50s building, and as far I remember there were 3rd party submissions to this effect at the time. And well done for going against shameless developer parade that tends to dominate some Cork threads.
Yes, that’s nice. You can really see the quality there. It’s a gorgeous surface! The few genuine sett surfaces that survive around the city need to be jealously guarded!
Temple Bar is a sham! Here is a typical FOUL stone sett surface in Temple Bar:
@ctesiphon wrote:
Does the one second from the left still have its steels in the side elevation? Hard to tell…
Yes, I think it does. It’s about two years since that photo was taken, but I recall thinking ‘God, all four fronts have been messed up’ but that there was some early window material surviving somewhere.
The horrible thing is, if these houses come to be valued (as they should be) in the future, there may be no record of their original architectural finish.
Another plus for Foster’s Place as a public space is that it has a genuine historic stone sett surface (you can partly see it there in one of Graham’s photos) – the setts are tightly laid and comfortable to walk on, like you would find for example in a French city – whereas the sett surfaces in Temple Bar, which mostly date from the early ’90s, are not well laid and not very comfortable to walk on.
@A-ha wrote:
March 2006…… you have got to be kidding me! What a pack of wasters those people are for delaying the project. It’s so fu*king stupid
Lol … what if the whole thing gets turned down altogether? … And there are feelings abroad that the architecture does not quite strike the right note for its setting.
Four momo houses opposite the Submarine Bar in Crumlin – not one of them is in original condition with steel windows & no add-ons.
Yes, the apartment scheme on Poolbeg Street that rises over the Corn Exchange as seen from Eden Quay is shockingly bad – it looks like the back of a bungalow…
@Rory W wrote:
Get rid of Hawkins house – it’s fucking rubbish
Keep O’Connell Bridge house and restore Libery Hall – the best of the 60s
Interestingly, though, the latter two have both had alterations, while Hawkins House is a completely unaltered example of its time.
(O’Connell Bridge House had alterations to its windows and mullions in the ’90s, and the original transparent glass of Liberty Hall was replaced with mirror glass after a bomb in the ’70s.)
