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I was in Belfast two weeks ago. Eventhough its core centre is considerably smaller then that of Dublin’s, the westmoreland st/ o connell bridge axis aside, it had I felt much more of a big city feel to it than its southern counterpart. Dublin due to its lowrise nature and big (in comparison to Belfast’s) centre, feels like an enourmous town and Belfast’s relevatively small core and plethora of tall buildings, just about slips into (small) big city status.
And before anyone starts going “here we go again, high rise v lowrise etc blah blah; it isn’t a rant on that subject. It’s just an observation OK? 🙂
I also think that the city hall is one the finest examples of Edwardian architecture I’ve ever seen. Very imposing and impressive. Imposing can be a good thing too! It’s a pity they moved to wheel. I would have liked to have a go on that!
You didn’t mention anything about a well designed one.
Anyway, that comment wasn’t solely directed at you. A lot of people seem to have a fetish for any building so long as it’s tall.
Typical comments I see around here (paraphrased):
“Yes! Finally a tall building, being built in Dublin, only 70 years later than the rest of the world.”
“This is exciting, the lift shaft has reached 10 stories.”
“10 years of the Celtic tiger, and we don’t have a single tall building in Dublin.”
I don’t think it’s as simplistic as that. Tall buildings and it particular well designed ones are a partial symbol of modernity. And note I said partial symbol and not the be all and end all of modernity.
The lack of tall buildings in a city the size of Dublin are a reflection of attitudes and a conscious and in other cases subconcious gut reaction against any symbols of modernety. The lack of tall buildings in a place like the dockalnds which can take them and in my opinion needs them (and I’ll get back to that) is a point in case.
I recently visited Dublin and although (thanks to the trouble many on here go to) I have seem the developement of what was largely a derelict wasteland to what is now on line, one doesn’t get the same impact as when one’s standing right bang in the centre of it, looking at it. I have to say that I was very impressed. There is a certain dynamic about the place. However, one of the few downsides was the bland uniformity in height. I couldn’t help but think that if certain areas were punctuated by a tall building every so often, it would greatly enhance what has the potential to be a truely great new city quarter.
There ya are!
I hate that idea. I’m firmly with Stephen on this. Leave it alone. The names reflect our history. Sorry but this is a load of b**llox!
This poll is a little misleading considering there is 3 negative options and just one positive one!
LOL!!! Bang on there Mr Radioactiveman – I think many a politician would be proud of such spin! And the one option in favour of this is in italics!! Comical!!!!
@Thomond Park wrote:
I totally disagree in relation to the Dublin Quays and would say that between Georges Quay and Merchants Quay with a few notable exceptions that the area has bennefitted from extensive regeneration.
No major decision on the Dublin Quays should be made before the Port Tunnel opens and I very much doubt that even a senile despot like Fiddle Castro would consider such a project for Havana or comparable new World City.
I should have been more specific. I’m talking about west of O’Connell bridge.
“If we have beautiful historic quays lining the Liffey I could understand the negative reaction these towers are inciting, but I really don’t get why so many people are horrified by this project to the level they are – except perhaps the old Oirish fear of anything new and unique. We are hardly an innovative or dynamic culture – we are the boiled cabbage eaters, the conservative clods on the fringes of Europe wagging his finger at anything which manifest from outside the pre-determind box we are all so comfortable locking ourselves into. As Joyce said “the centre of paralysis” and all that.”
Well said Cute Panda. The quays as far as I am concerned are the ugliest and most inspirationally devoid area of central Dublin. They are drab bland and should be levelled (apart from notable exceptions) to make way for something befitting a capital city and not that of a provential town. As you say it’s not as if this proposition is going to architecturally churn through beautiful street scapes. I think somewhere like the quays needs all the help it can get. Debates on this forum on the whole, tend to be caried out with the utmost objectivity generally, but ocasionally when something new and inovative is proposed a great many posters seem to revert back to form and play the “Historic skyline card”. There seems to be a strong train of thought predominent in Dublin that if a building predates a certain era then it should be protected at all cost which is ridiculous. And as you say if the surrounding buildings are too low, then build higher ones. In terms of architecture which predates the 20th century -If it’s drap knock it down – it’s it’s not, keep it. Dublin is a city on the similar scale (size) as somewhere like Brussells or Amsterdam and not a “small Irish city” (Somewhere like Cork, Kilkenny or Limerick fit this bill) buildinds and streetscape should reflect it’s urban nature. And central Dublin apart from the quays which look provential fit this role. Apart from levelling the quays and building them up which is my ultimate preference, any suggestion which changes the boring nature of what we currently have should be welcomed.
I see that point village is in “pre planning”. Does that mean that all various lines of protest have been exhausted and that construction is due to start?
Here’s another rendering of the proposed U2 tower.
That’s beautiful. The best rendering I’ve seen of it so far. Does any one have any idea when construction of these various approved landmark buildings will actually commence?
The Eiffel tower is impressive.. O’Connell’s pole is not.
Anyway, The Ha’penny Bridge is the Dublin City icon.
Without meaning to cause offence to anyone, the ha’penny bridge is a poor symbol and when considering the wealth of impressive architecture in Dublin, doesn’t do Dublin Justice.
My favourites –
In the interests of humour I’ve stuck in a bogey one. See if you can get it…………………
Mc Donalds (O’Connell street branch)GregF wrote:Maybe if they had likened it with the little mermaid in Copenhagen]
That’s a brilliant comparison! Well it would be only, Molly Malone is a fictional character and the mermaid is in fact ……………………real
….have Sherry Fitzgerald lost the run of themselves in attempting to imply that the little big titted statue of hooker Molly Malone is in the same league as Big Ben and the Statue of Liberty as a world city icon….there masters of exaggeration we all know but they should have some idea of scale !!
I personally think that the Spike is a more relevant comparison to the ones mentioned
@Rusty Cogs wrote:
Point Village could/should start in the new year. U2 Tower will be ’07
Presumably the point village will be going ahead without the 32 storey landmark tower?
My colleague Deputy Eoin Ryan is wondering what should happen to the Customs House now that the Department of the Environment is moving to Wexford. Seeing as the Customs House is such a architecturally important monument perhaps it should host a permanent exposition of Dublin architecture (good and bad) and lost (i.e. destroyed) architecture of Dublin. If you have any ideas why not get in contact or post a comment and I will pursue these with Eoin.
My suggestions are as follows
1) Knock the building down thus freeing up much needed space on which to build cheap housing
2) Turn it into luxury appartments
3) Knock it down and build the conference centre in it’s place. The vast amount of space it occupies could accomodate a sizeble indoor arena – I reckon the area freed up could accomodate a 10,000 seater arena
4) Turn it into a theme park. I imaging this would be a first internationally? A massive theme park in the centre of a major city. What a boast!!
Totally agree with you Sue. It’s got to be the Bank of Ireland, with the custom house coming in second.
Another fav of mine is St Annes on Dawson street.
It sounds an exciting prospest. But just like the Southbank tower, point, Sir JohnRogerson’s, tara street, etc it probably won’t get built.
The others I mention apart from Southbank have all been given planning permission, but nothing has been done yet. An example being Tara street is supposed to be completed by 2004 I believe and work on it hasn’t even started!
I sincerely hope that I’m proved wrong and this 32 floorbuilding and the other ones I’ve mentioned do get built.
What time scale are we takling about before they’re all up? Just curious.
I like it. I think it’s interesting. I also hope this is the first of many similar buildings in terms of height and modernity in this area. And, many of you may laugh when I suggest this, but with enough tastefull landmark buildings and leisure amenities another Darling Harbour (Sydney) could be created here.
I don’t know if adding trees in more parts of Dublin is a good idea. Some trees can grow up to the equivilant of 5 story buildings! imagine the protests from resident groups about these horrible trees blocking out all that sunlight!!
Bastard trees! Chop ’em all down I say!!;-)
Sorry. Scrap that. It has to be St Annes church on Dawson street.
St Patricks Cathedral.