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Participant@d_d_dallas wrote:
dave123 the odd thing is that many of these stretches (watergrasshill for example) are new designs and thus truly segregated dual carriageways of motorway standard. i.e. there is no local access. Why the classification is maintained at “N”?
My whole point is why?
the road is a 100k/mh but yet its motorway standard, its stupid doing only 60 miles an hour.
on some dual carrigeways in france is 110k/m hour, yet there are not motorway standard 🙁August 8, 2005 at 5:00 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753275dave123
ParticipantThanks Shane,
where did you get that , its a very interesting building , quite unusual to anything In limerick ? well its a thumbs up for me if it goes ahead. 🙂by the way Tait building got the property of the week bt Sherryfitz 🙂
the building is also ready for occupation.
August 8, 2005 at 4:08 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753272dave123
ParticipantI thought the city council were dealing and negoitating with the Roches Liddy st units and the Dunnes stores site on Sarsfields street,
These sites are so fecking valuable and prominent retail areas of the city, I cannot understand why there left in such terrible state 😡
on a positive note there has been at least 3 buildings on Williams street sold and a number under offer so hopefully these buildings will be refurbished and invested to some standard as there are many fantastic buildings down that street that are in real tatters , if I must say.


these are just a few buildings on the street .
August 8, 2005 at 4:04 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753271dave123
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its a real awesome building, compared to now 😡dave123
ParticipantIt looks quite starkling, but its seems way out of proportion too!
its reminds me of Las vegas?
anyway thats what I think
but i’d say it will go ahead , as of many high density developments already planned or under construction,the whole Industrial estate is changing into a very much so – urban dweller setting!
dave123
ParticipantThis is really just the government ,
just trying to sow flowers over what has’nt been done ( A LOT DONE MORE TO DO) 😉
its all to do with the re-election , and oh we must not forget 2006 is coming soon 😉
and 😉 and again 😉
The actual finishing date of the NDP . ding dong 😀So what are the results ? and what are the government thinking about , the results ? quite frankly shitting it , so they are watering the flowers 😀 In other words to cover up the embarrasement!
So they go publish another Ndp……
Yet again , like there other plans, ie,
separate body to get roads building,
fast track roadsbla bla bla,
Western railway ,
or the other one Cullen mentioned was to have two separate bodies to the road and rail plans
ie .. one for Dublin and one for State , where’s the action in all this? 😡
And Cullen line dances all around his published platform for change plan for Dublin , that was scrapped and revived.
Despite since all the gi-gon of this continous rubbish words and writing , RTE shoots etc of how well there are carrying out the Ndp, or how much there are going to spend and what they are doing next… its over and over.NDP , really means (No Damn plans) 😀 exuse my french.. 😀
Anyway I just like to make awareness of how the government is playing there old tricks to far too long now…
And what do most Irish people do keep them in, :rolleyes:dave123
Participant😀 A-ha , Midleton another city within cork……. 😮
That is a load of baloney….
It has a population less than 10,000 (including boundaries environs)
And anyway Mallow is bigger , its so stupid to think Midelton is a city, 😮A Population centre of at least 30,000 is recogised as a City in Ireland , In European standards itrs 50,000 minimum 🙂
Anyway just wanted to get that straight. 😀
As for Cork city- I think the boundary extenion should go ahead , it has more reasons and less inhibitation than to go against it ,August 5, 2005 at 8:26 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753267dave123
Participantwow thats great news for the city centre
August 3, 2005 at 12:39 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753265dave123
ParticipantI just came accross this, its a bit outdated though, i was surprised about the rumour of Mark and spencers might be moving in there ,as they have been wanting to have a store in Limerick for a long time , but no sign of them coming?
By Neil Callanan
Developer Aidan Brooks has paid about €13 million for the Royal George Hotel on O’Connell Street in Limerick.
The hotel, which was founded in 1820, is expected to be demolished soon to make way for a department store with a new hotel on the upper floors.
Despite speculation that Marks & Spencer has signed adeal toopen at the new store, The Sunday Business Post understands that no deal has yet been signed and that a number of retailers including Zara and Debenhams have shown an interest in the scheme.
The three-star hotel has 52 en suite bedrooms and Brooks is understood to have bought the building in an offmarket deal.
The 33-year-old local has already started a €50 million development at the former Carlton Cinema site at the rear of the hotel.
The 13,935 square metre mixed use scheme will house the Limerick offices of Bank of Scotland upon its comple
tion later this year and will also include nine retail units and about 70 apartments.
The development on the Royal George site is expected to integrate with the rest of the site, giving the development frontage to O’Connell Street, Cecil Street, Shannon Street and Henry Street. Hamilton Osborne King is the letting agent for both developments.
August 3, 2005 at 12:10 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753264dave123
ParticipantThanks Turborg for the information, that sounds like an exciting development at the racecourse! hope to get more info on that soon!
There was a festival on at Bedford row of the weekend to celebrate the pedstrianisation.
For once i can see a lot of positive changes to the city centre going to happen and bring revitialisation as soon as the innercity street paving and trees etc are in.!
This is a major step forward to the city,
about time….I’ll try get info on that too (Royal George)
July 30, 2005 at 2:00 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753260dave123
ParticipantThe city of Limerick and its immediate environs are at a critical stage in their economic development, according to Mr. Tim O’Malley, T.D., and Minister of State at the Department of Health and Children. In a
meeting with Business Limerick last week, Mr.O’Malley expressed his fears that downright bad management and a poor planning strategy could lead to the degeneration of the physical and cultural environment of theFrom the business Limerick magazine.
city and represent a waste of the opportunities supplied by the current favourable economic climate.
This, according to Mr. O’Malley is a worstcase scenario, and he intends not to let it happen by making strong proposals at local and national level in order to restore the city to the right path. The Dooradoyle-based PD’s proposals include the amalgamation of the city and county councils to provide a single
super-authority to govern and promote both city and county; the halting of the current one-off, ad hoc developments in the city and its environs in favour of a clear coherent plan designed to enhance the status of
Limerick City as the Mid-West’s cultural and economic hub; the rapid development of a rail link between Limerick and Shannon and the creation of the graduate medical school at the University of Limerick. Tim O’Malley identifies these issues as the ‘breakthrough’ points that would move Limerick’s profile to the centre of the national stage. One recent development – of which everyone in the Limerick business community is now aware – is Shannon International Airport’s recent of Ryanair hub status.
This has, of course, been made possible by the break up of Aer Rianta into three separate authorities representing the three major international airports – Dublin, Cork and Shannon -and allowing each to compete individually for business with the carriers. It is quickly pointed out by O’Malley that this policy had its origins in a policy proposal made by his cousin, and PD founder, Des O’Malley, eight or nine years ago in Limerick’s Glentworth Hotel. ‘The figures speak from themselves: overall passenger growth for the first five months
of this year has been 10 per cent for the three airports combined, but the breakdown of the figures is even more interesting from a local perspective – Dublin is up by 6.9 per cent, Cork by 14.3 per cent but Shannon has risen by 30%! The figure for May alone, when many of the new Ryanair routes became operational, is 42 per cent.‘ The minister argues, however, against the local business community and others seeing this as an opportunity for back slapping or resting on laurels. ‘On the contrary, this huge increase in traffic represents a challenge and magnificent commercial opportunity for the region. The business community must be alive to the possibilities offered by the gain in the traffic to the region and I’m confident in the ability of Limerick and Shannon commercial concerns to grasp the opportunity. My worries would lie in other direction.’
This is a reference to O’Malley’s doubts about the ability of Limerick City Council to support their local economy by ‘raising their game’ in terms of planning and strategy. ‘I don’t doubt the ability of local businesses to accept the challenge that the massive throughput at Shannon represents, but they have to be supported in this by proper planning at council level, and it is my opinion that we may require massive restructuring in the management of the city and county.’ O’Malley, himself, was a businessman for thirty years before entering politics full time and he conveys the impression that he knows what he’s talking about. ‘ I will always support Limerick business- there are too many local politicians who just see our commercial sector as men and women to be squeezed at every opportunity.’ In one way, the always-welcome appearance of more tourists and business travellers to the region provides a very good chance of seeing ourselves – and our services – as others see perceive them. O’Malley expressed himself happy with the level of tourists coming to Shannon airport and enjoying local attractions like Clare’s west coast, the Burren and the abundant golfing and angling opportunities in the area. When it comes, however, to the city, he believes that there is ‘absolutely massive’ room for improvement
‘There should be a more coherent and creative strategy
for the marketing of the city’s attractions and that must involve the coming together of all the stakeholders. For example, the area from King John’s Castle running down past St. Mary’s Cathedral towards the Court House to the Hunt Museum must be developed as a single location for tourists coming to the city. These are attractions of significant historical interest and a chance to walk around them with a famous river so close should be a very pleasant experience. But that possibility is not, in my own opinion, being marketed very clearly and there is a great deal of very practical and ‘hands-on’ work to be done towards cleaning up the area and making attractive and accessible the facilities’. In this regard, he complimented the Civic Trust for their restoration and maintenance of the Bishop’s alace and other buildings of historical interest and explicitly draws what he claims is a stark contrast between their efforts and the City Council, who, he feels, should be playing a much bigger
role. ‘It is an absolute shame that the stop for tourist buses on the road adjacent to one of the country’s best example of a medieval castle is located beside a municipally owned derelict site Effectively, the first thing that tourists on a visit to the area see is a pile of rubble and weeds.That site and other derelict buildings in the Nicholas Street area must be addressed. In addition, the traffic flow in the area needs to be changed. The new traffic arrangements are extremely poor.’ One gets the impression from O’Malley that he feels that these flaws are only indicative of a wider malaise in the city management. Another case in point, alluded to by the Minister for State, is the recent debacle involving the Main Drainage Scheme, with some observers claiming that the settlement of the case could involve the council
paying up to €50 m in damages to Uniform Construction. In the context of a possible appeal to the High Court, O’Malley was reluctant to comment on the political implications of such a high settlement against the City Council.He did, however, point out the city coffers’ precarious position irrespective of Uniform payout, and mused that this could lead to a bad situation getting even worse. ‘The problems would be compounded by a cash-strapped authority simply continuing to sell sites to developers willy-nilly, while long term planning and the establishment of a coherent template for the future development
of the city are ignored. The recent development on a section of the People’s Park serves as an example of what I would like to see avoided. Indeed, it serves as a reminder that the last time anyone had a
coherent vision of how Limerick might operate as a civic and commercial centre was in the time of the man on the park’s column. What would Mr. Pery think now, one wonders? This is something that many Limerick residents and much of the city’s business community have been worried about for some time.There is a short term nature to much of the development in the city that sees developers making gains and investors availing of section 23 and other tax breaks, and then moving on without regard for the future. ‘ That’s a tactic I am completely out of sympathy with – one need only look at the Savoy building being torn down again after only fifteen years or so. The area around Steamboat Quay and Mount Kennet has seen development without any regard to the provision of facilities for the residents or their children. Recent claims in the Limerick Post and elsewhere that we may be witnessing the development of our first 21st century inner city ghetto are not entirely without foundation.’ Asked to elaborate, O’Malley lays the blame squarely on bad city management, even if he does champion some of the new developments, such as the new flagship evelopment, ‘Riverpoint’, standing at the Shannon Bridge entrance to the city.
What solutions, then, does he advocate for the reversal of current negative planning trends? The biggest problem, according to O’Malley, is that the councils – City and County – do not work well together, and the best solution would be to amalgamate them to form a single authority governing both city and county. ‘As long as the two administrative districts are competing for business, current trends will continue. Recent development of retail and other facilities on the city’s periphery are threatening to suffocate the city centre.Boundary extensions would only tinker with the problem, what is needed is a complete strategic re-think.’ What plans should this new authority pursue to put the local region back on track? ‘The priority must be the regeneration of the city centre with increased pedestrianisation and vastly improved cultural, social and shopping facilities in the city centre. A vital facet of this new direction will be a focus on
the appearance of the city – the city centre looks tired and shabby. In that regard, plans to redevelop the docklands as a business area should be abandoned.The docklands should be developed as a residential and recreational area with proper leisure facilities, walks and cycle lanes and so forth. Business and retail development should be concentrated instead in the city centre’, said Mr O’Malley.In addition to this the Minister for State said that the council should discontinue the practice of selling off sites within the city centre for short-term financial gain. In this regard, he claimed that he would ppose any attempt to sell off the Arthur’s Quay Park site for development.
This, the minister of state claims, should remain as a park in the city’s hands. Business Limerick agrees, but we would be of the opinion that such a prime site beside the tourist office should undergo a massive overhaul and that should proceed n tandem with the reopening and upgrading of the retail units behind Roches Stores. Currently, O’Malley is giving a great deal of his attention to the proposed railway link from Limerick to Shannon and the opening of a graduate medical school on a new site at the UL campus. ‘Feasibility studies are currently bei ng carried out on the railway and I intend to use my position to push for both of these initiatives for Limerick. I’ll need support and I’ll be looking for Limerick’s business community to row in behind me. We can’t afford to adapt a wait and see approach – the future of the city is clearly at stake.’July 30, 2005 at 1:04 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753259dave123
ParticipantYeah there is a lot of plans and images of new developments on Limerick on that site.
thats interesting wherabouts is wolfe tone street , is does bring me awareness to notice that the georgian Perry layout ,literally stops near the People’s park and Colbert station,Ok see if i can help you,
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July 29, 2005 at 6:39 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753257dave123
ParticipantThe bedford row redevelopment is well underway now.
Also Bedford row street has been pedrestrianised and the street is having a festival over the weekend!There has been a lot of talk recently to punches cross development ??
or is there a number of buildings going up there ??
i heard a hotel and retail warehousing?the new Ul bridge across the shannon.
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<bralso any news on the Ul school of arcitectre??
July 29, 2005 at 5:58 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753256dave123
Participanti think Murrayolaoire architects,
there are loads of architects wanting to come up with winning design, most likelyJuly 29, 2005 at 1:59 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753254dave123
Participantwell thats all for now,
I’ll try get some pictures on Lord Eward street Apartents, despite the contervertial plans for it near the people’s park , it has turned out to be a fine new building.
July 29, 2005 at 1:56 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753253dave123
ParticipantClient: Steamboat Developments Ltd
Site Area: 0.74 hectare / 1.83 acres
No. of Units: 57 Apartments
37 Town Houses
11 Commercial Units
Floor Area: Apartments –
Town Houses –
Commercial – 1,524 sq.m.
3,794 sq.m.
1,524 sq.m.
Parking Area: 6,875 sq.m.
275 Car Parking Spaces
Density: 94 units on 1.83acres =
c 51 units per acre
Plot Ratio: c 12,200 sq.m. / 7,400 = 1.6
Contract Value: €8.2 million (approx)
Completed: 1997info on steamboat quay.
Steamboat Quay is a mixed development of commercial and residential units located on the central south quay of Limerick, overlooking the River Shannon. It was the first element of an overall composition for the site, which, now complete, includes a 17 storey hotel tower with restaurant pavillion.
The composition for the river elevation relates to the quayside and River Shannon. A clear distinction is made between the glazed commercial ground
som pics on riverside,shannon street and facing onto shannon.
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Participanta pic of Mary immucalute College , a few more coming….
July 29, 2005 at 1:35 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753250dave123
Participantthose pics are proposals for the docks
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