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ParticipantThats great news!
It will be interesting to have a motorway service station for the first time in Ireland. 🙂
But in my opinion i’d only like to see one on each of the main inter-urban routes .
As Ireland is still a small country and these stations could further suck the life out the bypassed towns and villages.And I really feel the monasterevin is an arsed location for the sevice station considering its only 40 mins drive to Dublin, I believe this is part of the monopoly of the Dublin area or some local developer
. Its pointless stopping or having it hereThe whole idea of it is to service long distance traffic that need to stop on a half way point, between to major centres of population,in my mind. :confused:
They should have it soutwest of Portlaois near the new toll collection area.
September 7, 2005 at 12:21 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753403dave123
Participant🙂 @ShaneP wrote:
Be jaysus – great pictures – it’s fairly dramatic looking alright – are the shop signs on the website images aspirational rather than reality, cause i’m sure i spotted a sign for Niketown there somewhere. Niketown….. in Limerick….and not in Cork… or Dublin for that matter. Is Coonagh Cross the new Heaven or something like? And H&M in the Crescent – think Limerick’s your only man for all your tracksuit and trendy cardigan needs. (apparently that’s what’s cool for school this& season)
Yep, very exciting indeed,
A lot of retailers are coming to Limerick, Including Tk max and more big names coming to the parkway retail park extension! Soon to get started once the planning goes through.The Crescent will be awesome when’s its finished.
But sadly Limerick lacks M&S]Childers Road Retail Park [/B] – Phase 2 & 3
Construction is underway for Phase 2 of the Childers Road Retail Park in Limerick. KFC and Pizza Hut have taken units which are due to open in November 2005.
And B&Q are opening tomorrow, Thursday 8th september
Argos and Arcadia have taken units for the third Phase of the development which will begin in August 2005 and will see the park’s size increase for 258,000 sqft.Working on pics…
BTW,
Out of curiosity, Dunne’s have not only has it’s store in the Parkway shopping centre
(Which is currently being revamped)
They have new store on the Childers rd, and is huge!
Yet again they have stores approximately 2 minutes from each other.Sounds like deja vous. E.g. the city centre debate with Sarsfield Street
Anyone have any idea whats in the plans for this building, WB.dave123
ParticipantThe road has no real purpose from what I seen from the map.
It was pointless to build this so-called inner relief road,
When the new road still joins back onto the existing N4 Bridge and only creating back up on the new dual road.I have not yet been on it, but it does appear to have very little use as a “bypass”
The West link though is absolutely destructible agreed on that but designed a hell of lot better to get through traffic out of the city centre, not like the Sligo less relief rd, 🙁They should have made a new bridge and rejoin north of Sligo town instead of have the state of the art road still travelling through some old existing sections.
And of course with the amount of development noted, It wont’ solve traffic problems of the future either.
Considering the cost and the impact of this new road, is going to cause mayhem.Typical Irish solutions to an Irish problem.
:rolleyes:September 7, 2005 at 2:19 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753401dave123
ParticipantThe Connahgcross SC pics,
It will be opened in 2008 par with the Shannon tunnel opening date.The site plan and land layout
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main entrance and external building

Westmall

Foodcourt
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http://www.coonaghcross.com/downloads.htm
http://www.coonaghcross.ieI think the external building is awesome…
dave123
Participantthe one I’m thinking about is just across the river from the Statoil garage and on Ormond quay I think,
Its only after popping up in the last few monthsSeptember 7, 2005 at 2:01 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753400dave123
ParticipantOk,
I don’t see why Limerick would waste an opportunity like this, Hopefully the arts project goes ahead, it will give something back to the city , especially when the city centre has no cinema!
Relation to Arthurs quay park
I agree with you Shane, about the views and landmark site, but I’d prefer some sort of a look out building or theatre/ opera house to signify the importance of the river etc.What do you think of that idea?
Now I wouldn’t like to see an office tower or a hotel there but I just don’t think the park is working, the park is dead to me; it’s been always quiet when visited it.
If they carried out some work and try alleviating the problem and livening up the place and putting some annual festival there for one,For two, they should have direct guides/directions all over the city for the various fields of Interest, such as Arthur’s Quay.
Just recap on something I said previously about the city centre, there are no signs in detail for tourists
and people to get directions on thr streets of the city centre, Now real full plan or howw to get to certain places, let’s say O’Connell’s street to King johns Castle or Pery Park?
Turborg,
thanks for your pics Its give us clarity and an idea to the extent and scale of the new city development. 🙂
Glad to see buildings been protected. Good planning sense 🙂
On the last pic of yours,
I spotted some board woks and canal boat bays(whatever you call them)been built all up the Abbey river quite exciting to see the river is been developed for recreationaland pleasure.I believe its part of the Park canal project.
The Edward st dev, I must admit the more i see it , the more Iike it,
the is a few sites in around there that will popp up and will balance out this dev .
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Here's a pic of the tourist office (when it was just built)
[/align:2bfaqbyx]also anyone interested to know about a few bridges in Limerick
link>http://www.limerick-leader.ie/issues/20050903/editorial03.htmdave123
ParticipantI think the new apartment block on Ormond quay , It is so ugly and rigid , with the usual red brick and post modern type block of shite.
the building has the most ridiculous match boxs balconies , Taht gives me the impression they were superglued on .
It makes me shiver and stare away from view!Its ruining the area, Some might like it but , just look at it twice and see the other older red brick apartements that are fairly modern, You’ll notice the new apartements just don’t fit in? any support on my views????
the older buildings have a bit of base and orginality to the buildings,(although are a bit on the boring side too) and seem to blend in , while that heap of crap.
While that new red brick development is out of the butt, its totally unnacepteble , given the site and location!
to let the developers get away with building that building.
my overall impression in a shortned sence , isA typical bliing bling site, trying to build a bling bling building and failed with high expactations! and reminds me of a cheap building.
Sorry for the use of hard language.
September 5, 2005 at 11:49 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753393dave123
ParticipantArthurs quay once more..

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sorry for small image, what is the name of this building ? I can't seem to remember 😮
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“Information on the Royal George site that was here is now deleted as Turborg has corrected and updated on this” further down.
I’m working on it , Lol.I can understand the expectations of some images when there are so much exciting and significant developments going on..
We’re getting there bit by bit considering a small minorthy are posting pics including myself 🙂
“self praise is no praise” 😀
Anyway here we go…Over the next few weeks i’ll get what I can on the various developments.
I’M hungry to find pics of Devlopments online and wherever, 🙂
main priorothy listsBedford Row site,
Royal george hotel,
Old Jurys site and Ennis rd hotel , (which are under planning),
heres a for a link to the Jetland SC brochure>http://www.hok.ie/images/commercial…08_brochure.pdf
It will open this month. main tenant is Dunnes, along with 24 other retail units , as far as I’m aware.
The Cresent Shopping centre does not have a website on there developments etc. jawdropping 😮
But I can say its progressing well now, And rumours were to have the new mall estension ny christmas, but right now I have no definate answer to the dates.
H&M , River Island, Next,music store and Rumours and talks with Pennys and other existing tenants in the centre are putting there interest in the new retail unitsB]Park Canal[/B], there is plenty of information on this at referral link. http://www.limerick.city.ie
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[/align:2b3o9z7o]Quite a lot happening at Ul at the Moment with new Business school and Architectural school all going ahead,
the expansion on the Clare side is well progressing, new boating facilties and aqua facities by the Shannon,and more student campuses, including a village
I’ll try get some pics at a later date.MaryI is getting underway with its multi- million Euro extension, there is a lot pictures here beforehand , and I will l update on this. another Link, http://www.murrayoloaire.com
But the Big one has got to be the city centre transformation by Patricks, Ellenand Rutland street areas!
There will be news coming on stream with this project in the next cuple of weeeks or so , but at the moment its hush hush.for the time being.Also here is a map of Limerick and its regional centre’s , the Castletroy shopping centre is not mentioned in it surprisingly, and some new roads planned or underconstruction.

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September 5, 2005 at 11:00 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753392dave123
Participant@limericklover wrote:
I am so glad the point (and this discussion at large) has come to pass. I have for a long time wished I had the insight to bring intuition if my 16 yr old mind to the planning table when Arthurs key Shopping centre was being built. It failed for a number of reasons. 1. It was so over hyped that everyone was very excited about it, so it’s flaws were initially accepted. 2. It was conceived very obviously by someone, perhaps not from limerick, or who had never been to places like paris, rome, copenhagen etc, where the use of space in cities is the very thing that makes them not just attractive to look at, but also places that are nice to be in. Arthurs Quay should have been built, but on the waterfront, where the (junky filled) park now is. The park is a hiding place, but could so easily have swapped position with the shopping centre, making it a wide cobbled centre piece to a city that would evolve promisingly thereafter. Imagine if limerick had a square/open space as its centre: It would be sheltered from the river, and even the shopping center on the river’s edge could have had it’s awful restuarants/cafes on the river front, overlooking the marina and some of the best views in Limerick.
I think the people who failed in their capacity at this level owe the people who are proud of Limerick a debt.
You have some interesting points made on Arthur’s quay,
I just want to highlight it 🙂Firstly I like your ideas of the land use of the Quay and that plan would work really well and seem to compliment the river and city as whole.

And old picture of the Quay!

Secondly. The existing development was a failure from the day it opened (In my opinion), and agree on all points mentioned above, but on a positive note it was probably the only new mall that hit off of its kind in the city at that time,(mid 1980s)
the Building does not blend or give any real buzz of a city mall.
Some thoughts on the SC,
The carpark above gives deadness to both sides of the SC ie patricks st and the Quay.
The plan of thr building is rather boring for a potential site/
the Building does not blend or give any real buzz of a city mall.
No Architectural significance or symbolism for the centre.Thirdly, Imagine having a revitalised O’Connell’s street and Ellen st/Rutland street makeovers beside a central plaza? (Flattened Arthur’s Quay SC)
Sound exhilarating!I also think the Arthur’s quay park is a total failure. (Many would agree I guess

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The reasons why I think the park is a Failure
1. Its literally dead end, It’s out of reach when considering it been a city park
2. It does not have any purpose than physically just a view of the river Shannon
(When the entire city is enclaved and surrounded by it!)
4 It’s covered with tress and steps and badly planned, very little opening feeling or atmosphere, “of a parkâ€
5. It doesn’t compliment the river (In my mind)E.g. if I was a tourist and didn’t Know Limerick to well, I’d probably not even know the park exist. (Not saying you wouldn’t find it possible) Not to mention the very little footfall on it from my experience.

I think city parks that are cut off or on the peripheral/Isolated areas of the city]www.coonaghcross.ie[/url],
It’s a fine shopping centre, but not with hype and praise, It has graded itself as the largest SC in the Midwest, laughable, I still think with the extension of the Crescent coming on shortly , It will be knocked of the top spot!
Like you said, the City centre development will be another mark in Munster, and claim the title,
I can’t wait to see some images of the city project. 🙂try a read of the Sunday Times Article on Georgian Limerick, quite interesting 🙂
Link. below
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,2771-1761028_2,00.htmlSeptember 5, 2005 at 12:37 am in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753389dave123
Participant@Tuborg wrote:
Limerick race company ltd has applied to raise the ground level on a portion of the old racecourse on the dock road/south circular rd in preparation for the large development that is planned for the site,this includes a large shopping complex,ofices park, industrial units, 1,000 residential units and a large number of sporting facilities and general public amenities. An application has also been submitted with regard to the hotel development at punches cross which includes a leisure centre and bar & restaurant,its not clear yet if the original public house is being retained as part of the development. A new building is also planned to replace the henry cecil that collapsed during the demolition of the carlton cinema,this was a real pity, im amazed no investigation was carried out or anybody brought to book over it, lets hope they replace it with something tasteful!..
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Turborg Has that development started yet?
Also is this the same development as you quoted , :confused:Application
Development
Type PERMISSION
Description Planning permission for development of mixed-use scheme at the former Greenpark Racecourse. The development includes a residential scheme which will consist of 353 residential units; consisting of 112 no. apartments, 17 no. maisonette apartments, 54 no. semi-detached units and 70 no. detached houses, 43 no. terraced houses, 29 no. duplex units and 28 no. apartments below duplex and playgrounds. The application also includes a neighbourhood centre incorporating; a creche, retail unit, coffee shop, doctor/dentist office. The application includes parking for approximately 725 vehicles at ground and basement level, ancillary site works, access roads and hard and soft landscaping. The application also includes the provision of a major recreation amentiy area incorporating playing pitches, changing facilities, informal recreation areas, landscaped amenity areas, ancillary parking (approximately 100 vehicle spaces), a playground and hard and soft landscapingSomw other major planning issues on Ellen street
04600 Madden Ger
c/o OBK Architects
30/31 Francis Street
Dublin 8
Planning permission for RETENTION and completion of a mixed use development comprising of 6 storeys over basement to maximum height of 23.7m above grade comprising 34 no. underground car park spaces, 5 no. ground floor retail units totalling 916.8 sq.m, 43 no. 2-bed apartments and 3 no. 3 bed apartments on first to fifth floors with associated balconies, roof garden and associated site development works including connection to existing public sewer will be provided Ellen Street
corner of Carr Street and
Punch’s Row04601 Madden Gerard
Bellview
Athlunkard
Limerick
Planning permission for mixed use development of 5 storeys over a two level basement comprising of 4 floors of offices totaling 6430 m2, 7 no. ground floor shop units totalling 1235m2, a 56 bedroom budget hotel with reception area and 163 car parking spaces and associated site development works including connection to existing public sewer will be providedAhern Eymard
Routagh
Ballysheedy
Co. Limerick
to demolish existing building and to construct 2 storey building comprising 2 retail outlets on the ground floor and 2 offices on the first floor. This is part of a Protected Structure 20 Henry Street
Limerick
I am finding it difficult to get some relevant information on the Royal George site online considering the size and scale of the development?
Although I can say the development has seen a lot of retail interest in recent weeks.Can anyone please update on it , it would be great a thanks 😉
BTW , out of curiosity whats happening with Symths store on Henry st , an nice facade and quite a character in need of refurbishments , now that Symths have there new store on the Childers road they could make use of it now .
and any word the Eircom building too ?September 4, 2005 at 4:29 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753388dave123
ParticipantFor anyone want to see more old pictures of Limerick,

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[/align:cbgyzeb7]September 4, 2005 at 4:09 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753387dave123
Participant@ShaneP wrote:
Also, read somewhere recently that a new greyhound stadium is to be built somewhere on the Ennis Road, near the Two Mile Inn – I think. Definately a cause for gratuitous use of smiley faces. 🙂
Any update on this , the old greyhound stadium needs to be moved out of Garryowen to a new site.
I have never been to the new Limerick racecourse out by Patrickwell, it has a lot of good responses 🙂
dave123
ParticipantThe Cork and Limerick threads were not about Galway bashing! I the comments on Galway were due to people like you bragging on about it,
You should have notice there were positive points made about Galway too.
I myself have a lot of connections there so it’s not something I enjoy to brag about Galway. I will lead to say I don’t
In architectural terms it is less significant than to Cork or Limerick.
Comments made about Limerick were un =called for! The reason why retail developments are been pushed outside is because of the abnormal high rates and the boundary crises. Limerick and Cork are regenerating there cities centres and in my opinion are not making the same mistakes or well not to the extent Galway has in terms of planning and development. and your comments on Cork are also riduclous.
I’m not going to explain further because it’s not worth it.You do seem a bit of the hook here. Galway has been brought up on so many occasions, and the results of it were dead ending going no where .I can’t believe, 😮 you have sparked more city slinging; Keep your opinions a little more friendlier and less aggressive. Stick to the topics above! Have you read earlier posts regarding your comments? stop bringing up issues up that have cause stirred debates.
Your comments are nearly entirely rubbish, inappropriate and not relevant to the thread, 😡 As far as I’m concerned go create a Galway thread and stop throwing these comments into other threads and put it into the Galway thread if you really wish to express your “FACTS”This Galway thing is getting a bit annoying really, sorry folks for coming on here to explain this but enough is enough.
September 4, 2005 at 2:51 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753386dave123
Participanti’ll try find out about that Haltothechimp.
The Munster Dev is going to be huge!
Even Willie O Dea has commented the project 😮
As far as I’m aware there is a number of buildings that are protected, I have not seen the quinns pub , so ill try get somwthing of interest.Jus read an article on the Limerick-leader , 24th November 2001
Dunnes Stores opens new city centre storeWELL on target, the magnificent new Dunnes Stores in Henry Street opened its doors to the public this Wednesday.
One must agree that the entire Henry Street area has taken on a new dimension in recent years, thanks to the foresight of investors.
Indeed, as I strolled through that part of the city during the week, it reminded me of the docklands areas in Liverpool and Manchester which were redeveloped in the Eighties.
Here we have towering buildings on the left hand side approaching Sarsfield Street, with plans on the drawing board for the old Carlton Cinema and the existing Eircom car park. It promises to be a street very much into the 21st Century.
There are, I am told, upwards of 650 car park spaces in the new Dunnes building, which should help to alleviate traffic congestion in the inner city.
The next question now is: What is to become of the Dunnes Stores premises alongside Sarsfield Bridge?
The next phase in the transformation of the inner city is expected to be in the Liddy Street / Arthur’s Quay area, where Roches Stores are to spend several million pounds in modernising their store.
As reported some months back, they have bought out the leasehold interest in several properties to the rear of their existing store.also don’t know whats happening herEntertainment plan old bank building
IT would now seem that plans are well in train to redevelop the former AIB premises in upper O’Connell Street into an entertainment centre.
When the property was originally put on the market a couple of years back, it was purchased by the Costelloe family, of Roscrea’s Racket Hall Country House Hotel fame.Then, a short while back it was put back onto the market, only to be later withdrawn.
It has now emerged that the Costelloe family plan an entertainment complex on the site, with doors due to open next March.
They are currently advertising for a financial controller.
The new premises is to be known, appropriate enough, as The Bank.
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September 3, 2005 at 9:31 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753384dave123
ParticipantThanks again for those pics and Info.
I’m going to make my business one day to go up either the Riverpoint or the Clarion hotel 😎
I must say i like the red looking building mid left on the first pic (Clarion lookout)
It looks like a parisian or victorian style building . quite a character 🙂here’s more pictures any comments on them?
The Cresent

Georges st , by the Royal George building

Georges st by the old cruises hotel, wher the street stands today

another pic of the street black & white version
September 3, 2005 at 9:18 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753383dave123
Participant
be careful when reading over thepic it could crack the webpasge 😀
I say knock it down, horray/ :p
dave123
Participant🙁 I agree , it terrible! in the last few months there has been land sold there like diamonds! a tleast three retail parks have gone up and B&Q have also a massive site there, another business park is currently underconstruction , not to mention two other site that sold like hot cakes.
but at least the business parks and retial parks are not as dreary as the main entrance at the Limerick – Tipperary roundabout,the Traffic volumes on thet road is rapidy getting over capacitated.
lenghty delays there are common at rush hour , despite the new ring road.taking traffic away from the areathe Tipperary Rd Interchange is a mess!
sourhtern ring road phase 2
September 2, 2005 at 3:53 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753376dave123
Participantanother pic of the riverpoint! 🙂

Recent prime greenfield sites left in the city centre by HOK.
I guess this land is for recretional and residential and a extended educational facilties at the existing monastery building etc.


more…
and a below an attachement of the Roches st building that was mentioned earlierand a link to the jetland SC brochure>http://www.hok.ie/images/commercial/10005208/10005208_brochure.pdf
September 2, 2005 at 3:06 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753375dave123
Participant
a pic of building in Henry st , not sure where abouts? 😮
September 2, 2005 at 2:58 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753374dave123
Participant
Not a great pic , but got it from http://www.rooneyauctioneers.com
the development is on Bedford row
consist if 4 storey over bacement , ant comments?more pics later 🙂
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