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Of course!
But if it’s going ahead I can’t help but be curious! All I was trying to point out is that five years ago he would have ravaged the street with some cheapo dinky super pub – but now he’ll – um… maybe not quite ravage as bad with a more taseful pub…
I agree, but sometimes it does seem like there are “luddites” out there who seem completely unaware of the reality of a location and knee jerk react to any proposals. Take a look at Cork City where for the past ten years many proposed developments get objected to almost out of spite. Some people would prefer dilapidated decay over something new – because everything new is “ugly”. And these areas are not historical at all with no architectural features. These people are simply closing their eyes to the ruined state the place is in and don’t seem to mind the fact that these spaces get built out in the suburbs in a lovely LA style suburban mess.
Obviously Moore St isn’t this case. I was just asking the question as part of the discussion.
Oh goodie – another venue where we can all enjoy the €5plus pint.
Carroll has gone somewhat “upmarket” these days (millenium tower, gasometer development, purchase of Dunloe Ewart…) compared to his slumlord days. Any ideas on what the proposed development will look like?
Ughhh – why couldn’t all this have been cleared up ages ago?
Or is it a cynical case of selective memory when it comes to what constitues “historical” – as in the developer chooses to overlook history when it suits them, and quite similarly certain individuals over-hype the “historical” card equally when it suits them to stop ambitious projects.
How does this bode for the regeration of the area as a whole though? If it impedes this then I’d be in favour of losing this structure – you can’t make an omlette without breaking eggs. And let’s be honest – most of inner city Dublin has some bloody connection to 1916.Henry St is the busiest in Dublin per sq foot.
The O’Connell St stats are probably exaggerated, but in my experience not unfounded. Somewhere like Dame St doesn’t have a reputation like that at all and it’s serves as a junction between Temple B and the Grafton shooping areas so gets alot of people both night and day.There was story in the paper on this – the excuse is given as either a) we’re all thick … or b) it’s bending according to the wind, and it’s allowed tolerances for sway.
Hahahaha! Maybe the cheapo crap designs are keeping some practices in business – design low spec so you know in twenty odd years the “face lift” commission will come your way again!
Yeah – some flowers on the roundabout do add a touch of glamour on the one day it’s sunny in the summer.
Yeah – exactly… let the natural character of the village shine out (i.e. let it be “tidy” as the name goes!).
Yes – let’s avoid the “p” word from now on… The Vegas remark was a tad glib! I guess Edinburgh comes across as so “perfect” it feels like a Georgian Theme Park (although Disneyland never looked that good!).
I suppose I felt that way having contrasted it to Glasgow and our own fair city, which really have scars and look as though they has a history – whereas beautiful Edinburgh is suspiciously Dorian Gray like – if you catch my drift…
On the same line as Harcourt St being a themepark… As beautiful as edinburgh is I always get this odd feeling like I’m in Vegas!!!
I think there was movement to remove the Happy Ring House sign, and there was resistance… so it stays.
Alot of very good points have been made over the last few pages by everyone. And everyone is entitled to their opinion, but just because I say something it doesn’t mean it’s THE FACT – the same applies to everyone else.
Graham, you obviously feel passionately for the Street and I don’t think I’m being unfair by saying you do like your “old-school” styles.
However I can’t help but feel that to put in replicas smacks of an unimaginative vision, and to a certain extent… romanticism of past times. O’Connell st may have had a plan, not all plans get completed – how many unbuilt projects are there, or details that never made it to the final construction. We use it now – we live here – it is 2003. We should add our own layer and not grovel to another generation. I think there’s an element of truth to the Theme Park analogy.
Yawwwwwwwwn… same old tired arguments – I’m sorry for being rude but it seems the same as it ever was – people romanticising past built glories, and those who see things as they are now. The Penny’s etc of O’Connell St are an eye sore yes. The idea of O’Connell St is a wonderful one in terms of design and architecture and a grand street for the country to enjoy – but look at it now. We can’t have everything – redevelopment costs money and that too influences design considerations. I accept a degree of pragmatism is required when redeveloping sites in “sensitive” areas, but have difficultly with the idea that it has to be the same as it was now and forever. Good taste doesn’t have a date, be it 18th, 19th century, or today. Althought here seems to a certain snobbish element to anyhting not built in or around Georgian times. Something can be modern (i.e. not worshipping at the altar of a bygone era) and still gel with the surroundings – I would prefer O’Connell St to have modern next to Old – it would show we’re a country that can embrace it’s past but also execute good architecture in a modern sense.
I agree – I think it would be a mistake to fixate on another era. To build some fake facades would simply imply Dublin hasn’t moved on, when clearly the spike and the attempt to redevelop O’C St implies it is trying to.
Regarding the Millenium Mall/Carlton project I’m pretty sure the compulsory purchase order got the go ahead a few months ago, and then there was a deafening silence in the papers since.
Part of the Cork 2005 submission was based on what Cork has at present: namely Irelands longest running Film Festival, One of the worlds largest Jazz Festivals, the Choral festival, the Opera House, The School of Music etc etc etc. There were no capital projects to speak of – which is one of the primary reasons the guy charged with running the 2005 show walked after a few months of being in the job. The only project of note is the new art gallery going into UCC – which looks very cool indeed.
It’s not really fair to say the Celtic tiger bypassed Cork – sure in terms of overheated overpriced poor quality apartment developments it doesn’t figure – and the centre of the city hasn’t exactly benefitted from years of contstant diggging for the necessary main drainage projects. But it does have a much better infrasturcture than the rest of the country in terms of the road network throughout. And let’s be honest places like Limerick and alot of inner Dublin were in dire need of alot of more rejuvenation.
There is a sense that certain problems are being addressed – the main streets are being upgraded and archaic planning for the centre has been revised to correct years of bad management in terms of zoning.
2005 is a catalyst for this.
