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Twas very decent and professional of him to respond – although the clichéd regurgitation of Clarion qy and the U2 “tower” (loose use of the word) kinda irritates.
Is the IFSC and the docklands that follow forever going to be acclaimed soley on the presence of one development on Clarion Qy?Ballymun absolutely low density! I heard a story that Ballymun was designed as it is to have maximum visual impact when viewed from the airport – you know to show how modern and progressive we were (as the thinking was at the time).
But with that much land, that far out…?
It’s like County Hall in Cork – fair enough it’s the Local Authority that has to cover the largest area in the country hence needed office space – but in a field, with no other building in sight…?
I still think we need our high density thinking caps on – and of course massively high rise isn’t necessarily high density as the two examples above show, but the odd landmark would be nice.And not everyone is happy to live in Meath and work in the city!
What boy? Sure Cork is HUUUUUGE!
Most of the badness about the Bus/Rail station can be directed towards CIE for it is they who have delayed for years the plans that were already decided upon. Yes – there were plans to move the bus station – but the slowness of CIE meant the boat had sailed, while the train station has been in development limbo (or hell!) for the past five years.
Cork City Council are the ultimate at management speak – they use all the right buzz words “strategy” “study” “6/20 yr plan” and prepare these reports/plans with vigour – they have won believe it or not, international awards for their planning! But the true measure of management is delivery and the focus on delivery of results – which they probably fall down on (badly in the past – things seem to have changed).
That said things like the Bus Station and Train Station were planned for in reports by CCC but when a loss-making sloth-like semi-state controls these, is the much a local authority can do other than formulate a strategy???graham – what ever happened to “let the docklands soar into the sky – leaving the historical core low rise”??? 10 stories is not high rise in any part of the world, and if spencer dock is not docklands then where are the docklands, and what areas are then suitable for a 20 story number?
sw101 – according to the development plan for Cork – they have identified that the entry points (or gateways) are crap (not their actual words!), and have suggested that these area be suitable for more dynamic, higher buildings. So behind City Hall, around the train station, and County Hall are all earmarked as such – will anything happen? But at least they are trying to do something about it now.
Yeah – one of the the primary reasons it was thrown out in the first place.
But is the newer design any better?!? And surely the whole act of “asking de locals what they’d like to see in certain areas” is just pandering on Treasury’s behalf – paying lip service to conuter any accusations that little has changed in their attitudes to developing this area.The building is going to be preserved and reused – the plans are vague but the word “cultural” crops up – not really sure… think Stack A in the IFSC.
As for Aer Lingus pulling out of Dublin/Cork route… Aer Arran have a sharing agreement with them anyway – so there’s prob some arrangement there.
The building is going to be preserved and reused – the plans are vague but the word “cultural” crops up – not really sure… think Stack A in the IFSC.
As for Aer Lingus pulling out of Dublin/Cork route… Aer Arran have a sharing agreement with them anyway – so there’s prob some arrangement there.
The building is going to be preserved and reused – the plans are vague but the word “cultural” crops up – not really sure… think Stack A in the IFSC.
As for Aer Lingus pulling out of Dublin/Cork route… Aer Arran have a sharing agreement with them anyway – so there’s prob some arrangement there.
The revamped Kent station is going to be very much the focal point for the initial development of the docklands. There are negotiations at present with Treasury and Manor Homes with Cork CC who are developing ALL of Horgan’s Qy for CIE (ala Spencer Dock). There’s talk of gargantuan numbers of apartments plus “landmark” going in (some estimates mean that the single addition of this development will TRIPLE the number of apartments in the city centre!!!). I think they’re being careful about all this so as to pitch future development in the right light (i.e. right densities etc). So there will prob be little news on this till late winter – and the plans for the train station will tie in with this.
In all fairness to the bus station – a true victim of CIE ineptitude – a prime city centre location and yet management couldn’t happily pick any developer partner for the site – what a farce! So so much time has slipped that the canopies are being thrown up as a measure for 2005 “cleanliness”.
I think most of the images have no reflection on the actual plans – they’re just taken from other cities to give a kind of positive ambience to the document. Would be nice though!
So it is our loss!
…and yet another part of Dublin is going to become a low density waste designed by our most esteemed practice. Cornflake boxes for all!Yes No Yes Yes
The Unions should be ashamed of themselves! They represent workers of a public PUBLIC transport body and don’t seem to see any problem blocking moves that could very well provide a decent service to the very people who pay (and subsidise) their paycheques.
The very same thing can be seen with SIPTU and Aer Rianta – why is it that every single Chamber of Commerce related to the regional airports are ecstatic at the prospect of more autonomy, you know develop our regions and ECONOMY… yet SIPTU are chasing to hold on to their potentially diminished 15% share of a TAX PAYER owned company, their right to which is doubtful in the first place..
The architect is STW (yawwwwwwwwn – is there any commission they DON’T get) and the developer is Howard Holdings.
As for the girders – an absolute disgrace – and the purple and green “lighting” features installed for the millenium do nothing for them. The girders hardly add a Calatrava-esque flair to the rivers! Tear ’em down.
Speaking of bridges – for a city with as much water as Cork it has never fared well on the bridge front. The new pedestrian bridge to go from Coal Quay to Shandon/Popes Qy area is due to begin construction in November… any ideas what this will look like? I suspect Cork City Council will do their usual concrete slab and utilitarian railings affair… sigh.
The car culture suits the government just fine – rail and other non personal car modes of transport require heavy investment and subsidies to be run – while VRT on new car sales, road tax (when was it ever spent on the roads?), tax on petrol, VAT and fees on anthing else Car related keep McCreevy happy and the coffers topped up. It’s not like he has to actually experience an M50 jam in the back of his comfortable Ministerial Merc, complete with garda escort.
Also – you try getting Irish people to part with their cars. Whether we like it or not – we have become car obsessives. It is possible to get around most of dublin using the bus – but I know plenty of people who live right along a QBC and STILL drive to work.
I think the opulence of st finbarrs had little to do with the devotion of those who had little, as a COI Cathedral from a certain era…
There’s a definite sense that it’s an “us” and “them” kind of thing. The Cancerous Dublin versus the Country Yockels. If for example you look at recent referenda – the Vote is almost always carried by Dublin and Cork Cities (or to be more specific – the affluent suburban areas if these places) while the opposing vote then is carried by what seems to be the rest of the entire (i.e. mostly Rural) country!
Dublin’s sprawl is an obvious problem – but in my opinion it is no more worse than sprawl in Co Galway or Kerry – which lead to worse headaches for Local Authorities, and the UtilitiesThe Opera House is SO MUCH better now than what it was – and with the introduction of the paving to Emmet Place that whole area has really come on. Johnson and Perrot are moving out to make way for some sort of new dev on that site, I think that whole area will really come up.
As for restoring South Mall to “it’s former glory” well that’s kinda hard when most of the city was razed by de Brits in 1920 – u should be grateful for what’s been preserved/survived!
South Mall is a fine fine street – The BOI building is vile, but Cork is hardly alone in having a monster office building next to more classically designed buildings (look most places in Dublin!). If you want to talk ugly – go look at Connolly Hall.Check out these images of the “extension” of South Mall – could be alot worse – revitalised boardwalk is a plus.
