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Interesting point, Graham. There’s case law in the UK that says art created for a particular building becomes part of that building (i.e. ‘property’ of the building rather than property of the occupiers)- usually sculptures in the grounds, that sort of thing. Though these works weren’t created for the Carroll’s factory, it could well be the case that Ronnie Tallon selected them for their appropriateness to their setting.
And the website says that the outdoor sculpture was commissioned for that particular site.
Maybe IMMA will build a replica of the factory in the grounds of Kilmainham? :rolleyes: Now that would get us up in arms. 🙂A large company such as Carroll’s buying art at a time when few public institutions or individuals were in a position to do so was an enlightened (no pun intended) thing to do, not only the act of collecting but also the act of supporting artists financially. And selling them on as ‘a job lot’ keeps the collection together as a representative collection of art from the period, rather than splitting it up into its constituent parts. Sure, there are Ballaghs, Le Brocquys, Scotts (Egans? Jellets? Lennons? Who knows whats…) in other collections, but not always in the same place. Whether or not they are or were cutting edge, they stand as examples of what was being produced in Ireland at the time, and as evidence of one of the few substantial private collections of Irish modern art in the country. And as an addition to a national collection such as at IMMA I think they are to be welcomed, good, bad and indifferent.
There might be a slight question about which 52 of the 140 are to be included in the lot, but only time will tell.
Could be a good opportunity for a touring show? If IMMA has been under-appointed with representative works of Irish modern art (debatable), then how must regional galleries feel?
http://www.pjcarroll.ie/company/art-collection.html
EDIT: I notice that the collections is 1960s to 1980s, so the likelihood of Jellets in there is slim. 🙂
Castle Street is a reuse project in the same way the Wax Museum was a reuse project. You wouldn’t even know the Garden of Delight had been there. Also, I know someone who works in it and she’s not impressed (and I’m not even talking about the ‘Dublin’ ‘Cool’ windows 😮 ).
The interesting but sad thing is that it has been admired sufficiently to be cited as an example of good design- check out the ‘adapted’ corner feature on the building going up on the corner of Henrietta Street and Bolton Street- three dangling square lamps and all.I have to say, I think the Ranelagh school is a very fine piece of work- sits well in context, sensitive to its near and far surroundings, well-appointed accommodation (I know one child who goes there and loves it). One of the few 1990s buildings that I think won’t date badly in this country.
Haven’t been to the Fingal offices, but I hear they’re super to work in, and they sure look classy from the bus.I’m guessing it’s between these two (though the Niland looks fascinating from Paul’s photo- is it the photo or is it a great building?).
Yup, you certainly got the sharp end of something there- apologies for the inappropriate tone. Antiques Roadshow must have had my blood pressure up.
Incidentally, it’s interesting you mention ease of typing, as your name has often struck me as the easiest on this forum to type. A topic close to your heart, it seems. 😉@asdasd wrote:
it is hard to know what to do with you.
A spell in the army?
Anyway, back to business…
@asdasd wrote:
I explained most of this on page 1 of this thread but “ctesiphon” wont be told
Finally! Thank you asdasd. Since signing up, anyone addressing me on this forum has called me ctesiphon, or Ctesiphon- not right, obviously 🙁 , but we persevere. And then you come along and put quotation marks around it, and all is right with the world.
Yes, it is an alias. But then again, I presume asdasd is one too. Which begs the question, why are quotation marks not necessary around yours? Or perhaps your christener/s really were more avant-garde than mine?
Or could it be that you’re trying to imply that I’m ‘hiding’ for a reason?Anyway, to get to your point. You will have noticed that I began by saying I thought this thread was the place to ask my question, chiefly because it already contained posts such as your original one. So yes, I had already read it, but thanks for the refresher link. Now it didn’t exactly clarify everything for me, but other posts filled in many of the blanks. GNP, GDP etc. have never really been my forte, but I thought there was sufficient uncertainty in my mind following Martin Cullen’s comments to ask for more detail. Luckily this was forthcoming from some contributors, and the variations in their responses indicate to me that the question was anything but answered previously. Perhaps I was naive to ask it, but it was in the hope of equipping myself sufficiently to assess Cullen’s utterances. (You’re right, he probably doesn’t deserve it, but I like to be fair to those whose announcements I’m going to question.)
The difference between the other contributors’ posts and yours was that they seemed by-and-large to do it with good grace, something that was notably absent from your text. If I exasperate you with my infantile questionings, go and have a cup of tea and keep your powder dry for those that might actually deserve your patronising ire. “Wont [sic] be told”? Won’t bother asking you in future, you mean.
Regards,
ctesiphon.Thanks to all others for your inputs with good grace.
This makes me wonder…
It is entirely possible that the only pedestrian crossing our elected representatives ever use is this Kildare Street one, giving them the notion that all others in the city must work just as efficiently, thus drawing the conclusion that we commoners are a deluded bunch of eejits who complain about things that obviously have nothing wrong with them.
Yes, that might explain so much.🙁 (sob)
Oh I think my professional reputation remains intact- had I advertised myself as a bunker historian (a la Paul Virilio?) then perhaps your criticism would be more wounding, but the Monstrosity hardly qualified as architecture now, did it? 🙂
At 1967, it was fairly early for auld Sammy I think. He and Arthur Gibney entered the UCD competition in 1963-64 as relatively fresh graduates and their scheme, which came 4th, was actually pretty interesting. Instructive to see how far he’d fallen in the space of a few short years.
(Do I sound like an Architectural Historian now? 😎 )
I reluctantly checked thesaurus.com (I’m a proud man, don’tya know) and the word I was thinking of was ‘cipher’- to do with letters intertwined. So it would be suitable for Victoria’s monogram, but not Edward’s or George’s, both of which are standard capitals.
When I worked for the NIAH we used ‘insignia’ and ‘monogram’ interchangeably.Thanks to all for input.
KerryBog2 wrote:Not a very modern idea, this had to be done to the Arc de Triomph in Paris for Napoleon’s big entry]I’ll see your early 19th century Paris, and raise you an Inigo Jones temporary outdoor stage set in London (1620s)- scaffolding shrouded to look like classical architecture. 😉
What’s the time-lag (cooling and drying) between laying new tarmac and it being ready for painting?
Good man, lunasa, good man.
I’m grand too, most of the time.
However, I’m never swell (‘Merikay), and don’t think I’ve ever been bonzer (‘Stroyleea), to be sure to be sure.This bit
ruddy bally-hoo … mate
was just me trying to get as many Englishisms into as short a sentence as possible. Not a dig at your good self.
Ciao for now. 🙂
Murphaph:
I thought of ‘insignia’, but that’s not it either. It’s driving me mad now trying to remember it. Still think it starts with a D though.Rachel Whiteread’s alter ego?
Based on the Abbey and Cork Opera House, I’ll guess Michael Scott (no, I haven’t Googled it). The possibilities are fairly narrow, given the date and the fact that you’re even asking- it’s hardly going to be some County Council fella from Tullamore, is it? 🙂
Wasn’t that Goldfinger’s Trellick Tower on the BBC tall buildings programme?
Brief description here, showing that its history wasn’t rosy from the word go (i.e. it did have many of the problems associated with high rise social housing for a while), but agreed in principle, jimg.
@lunasa wrote:
Not living on the Emerald Isle it would be interesting to know at what stage an indigenous resident used the word cheers other than when raising a glass.
I often sign off emails with it, though I think it’s a legacy of a period spent in Edinburgh rather than English influence (many Scots I know say it out loud as a parting comment, on the phone, say).
Also, I sometimes say farewell in person with a ‘cheerio’- can’t see what all the ruddy bally-hoo is, mate. 🙂Looks like the de Blacam & Meagher office have all paid a visit to the site since this morning. Don’t recall the Wooden One having quite that many votes earlier today.
At least they didn’t go for that muck on Castle Street. 😮Probably as good a place as any to put this, particularly in light of the previous comments about wealth (above).
Anyone just see Martin Cullen on PrimeTime? Perhaps you can help:
Did he say “We are an income rich country but not a wealth rich country” as an explanation for lack of investment in transport infrastructure, or am I imagining it? And more importantly, what did he mean? That we are each individually better off, but the country lacks the necessary money to invest in transport?In other words, our ‘low tax’ economy that the govt makes such a song and dance about is actually the reason why we have such a cruddy public transport network. They have shied away from taxing us in our pockets in order to curry favour, only then to realise the consequences of such a policy… Quite an admission, if I understood him correctly.
No matter what way I phrase it, he comes off sounding like a complete eejit. If I’m wrong I’d appreciate correction.
Thanks.Not buildings, I know, but many of our pillar and wall-mounted post boxes bear royal monograms.
(What’s the word I’m looking for- I know it’s not monogram? Think it begins with a D…)
I think Frank is right- you’re probably thinking of Dolphin House flats.
I used to live right beside St Teresa’s Gardens, and I wouldn’t recommend paying them a visit. When we had bikes nicked by the local kids or broken car wing-mirrors thrown through upstairs bedroom windows and gave chase to the culprits, they’d hide just inside the entrance to the complex and throw rocks at us from their stockpile. Yes, it was no casual rock fight- they actually had their ammo ready for the off. (Obviously, the usual proviso about most of the locals being decent, honest people applies here, the troublemakers being a small minority etc.)
I have some sympathy for them, given the then total lack of facilities in the area (a fine community centre opened about a year ago – by Henchion and Reuter? Can’t rightly remember – though it too has had more than a few windows smashed), and the number of kids hanging around was noticeably higher in summer when school was out. Also, it can’t be easy seeing your traditional working class area being taken over by trendy young couples with SUVs and designer babies, with your only option being to move 20 or 30 miles away from the area your family has lived in for generations.
Lastly: once, when two bikes (locked together) were nicked from our front garden but quickly recovered by us, a motorist mysteriously turned up as we were disentangling them and gave us the names of the thieves (he’d seen them around the corner). All a bit “Truman Show”, if you follow. I get the feeling that it’s not the Guards that are the first line of defence in some parts of town…Correction duly noted, Devin. Cheers.
However, I still have concerns about Owen Keegan’s comments, as he seems to be saying “We’ve failed, and that’s that,” rather than “We’ve failed so far, but there is a solution.”Re cyclists going the wrong way on bike lanes- I often wondered if some cyclists think that bike lanes are actually designed to facilitate this practice, i.e. they think cyclists going in the direction of the traffic should be on the road and that ‘with flow’ lanes are supposed to be contra-flow lanes for them.
Either way, I do see an awful lot of it (and, as I said above, I even do it myself for about 30m. of the N11 every morning).
