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@Graham Hickey wrote:
3/4 engaged, 1/4 exposed?!
What the heck does that look like?!
Found with considerable difficulty, I might add.
My original thought was that they’d be found in re-entrant corners of classical buildings, but nothing came up. I’ll be keeping my eyes peeled on the ride home.burge_eye-
Agreed.
I scoured in vain for a picture of a pilaster with incised decoration to the capital, i.e. where the decoration is carved into the body of the column rather than standing proud of it. 1930s classicism springs to mind. I’m sure such a thing exists, but I can’t find one. Even if I had, it wouldn’t have undermined your point, though. I was just trying to be cheeky.:)Hang on- just had a thought.
*scurries to archiseek gallery*
How about this?
Cheeky enough?;)Perhaps it could commemorate a past view? There could be a plaque on the east parapet showing the view towards the Custom House without the Loop Line, and one on the west parapet showing the view upriver without Calatrava’s arches that don’t play by the rules.
Or how about a memorial to the Fr Pat Noise memorial? “This plaque commemorates a plaque that commemorated a fictitious character…”
And then when it gets nicked, there would be a plaque commemorating a plaque commemorating a plaque…Pilasters are one type of engaged column, so to speak, but shouldn’t really be called engaged columns. A pilaster is like a column that has been run over by a steamroller, whereas engaged columns look like full columns that have been embedded in the wall to varying degrees- 1/4 engaged (3/4 exposed), 1/2 engaged (1/2 exposed) and 3/4 engaged (1/4 exposed). Or put another way, pilasters are always flat and engaged columns are always rounded.
Agreed, Phil. My comment above (14th March) pretty much sums up my take on the merits of this (including the message header, which might have gone unnoticed- A curious fusion of the garden suburb and the prairie style).
Put it this way- Manning Robertson was a pretty knowledgeable man from what I can gather, so if there are stylistic references there they are presumably deliberate, and if there aren’t, then that would have been his design choice too.
What irks me is that the architect is dismissing this because it doesn’t fit neatly into any pre-existing categories (as he sees it). If, say, a record reviewer were to dismiss REM’s Chronic Town ep by saying ‘It falls chronologically between Talking Heads’ Fear of Music and U2’s Under a Blood Red Sky, without displaying any of the virtues of either’ they’d be laughed out of it. It reflects badly on the writer’s ability to determine merit in an objective way, in as much as such a thing is possible.
There’s a whole can of worms here about objective value vs. subjective taste, but I haven’t time to go into it. In essence, I’m not a fan of, say, nineteenth century run of the mill Gothic churches, but I can appreciate that they have an architectural heritage value that exists outside my personal preferences.Graham-
I’ve never heard of a specific term for that part of the wall. I do know that pilasters on the wall directly behind the columns are called pilaster responds, but a term for the wall eludes me, if one exists.KB2-
Another interesting turn. Looking up my Oxford Dictionary of Architecture (JS Curl), a book to which I’d generally defer in matters of definition, I found this for porte-cochere:1. Doorway to a house or court, often very grand, large enough to permit wheeled vehicles to enter from the street.
2. Erroneous term for a projecting canopy or porch large enough to admit carriages.So I can’t magnanimously say we were both right. It appears I was wrong. (It doesn’t say what the correct term for such a projecting canopy might be.)
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The dictionary is silent on the possible answers to your question too, sadly. If you’d asked the name of the pianist I could have helped, but it wasn’t to be.That’s interesting, KB2. I’ve never heard of porte cochere to describe an archway into a building, only ever for one external to the main fabric as I described above.
I’ve a feeling, though, that it should have the function of access to the building to qualify.Keating- your terminology all seems to be from classical architecture, specifically of the ancient type. I’d be of the opinion that you should go for ‘carriage arch’ and be done with it.
Do you have a picture of the feature in question? What’s the question in relation to: building history; inventory; new build? Who led you to believe that there was a specific term?If it’s wide enough for a vehicle, it could be a ‘carriage arch’.
Note: it can be square-headed and still be an arch (as long as the construction isn’t post and lintel).the Scots use the word ‘pend’, which is much the same thing, but as with many things, such as the law, the Scots have a lingo that is peculiar to their country.
Are you specifically asking about archways into quads, or just access archways in general? I’ve never heard of a specific term for an arch into a quad.
AFAIK, a porte cochere is a (sort of) gateway that allows vehicles to pull up parallel to the building to allow passengers to alight without getting wet, and is usually a projection from the entrance rather than incorporated into the main fabric of the building, i.e. it doesn’t allow access into a building or its courtyard in a perpendicular fashion, as a carriage arch would.
Thanks for that CologneMike- nice to see they’ve put a bit of thought into it, and consultation too. But it’s a pity that the network seems to be for the periphery only, with a few spurs into the town centre proper. As any cyclist knows it’s in the centre, with narrower streets and more chaotic movement patterns, that provisions are more necessary than in the burbs. They seem to have fudged the issue just a bit. And you’ve got to love the bit about ‘Limerick County Council Indicative Cycle Network’- ha!:)
@Bren88 wrote:
Can you suggest any other “famous” types to name tham after. The only other people used are the rebels, and they’re pretty much all used now.
So all we’ve produced is writers and fighters?
I’d largely be in agreement with StephenC regarding historic revisionism, maybe with a couple of exceptions: as mentioned a few months back regarding Foster Place, (a) Mr Foster was a bad man, and (b) I think it’s a sin that Edward Lovett Pearce is not commemorated with a street name- (a) + (b) = …
It’s been there a few months, and I’m sad that the story is finally out. I liked the idea of it being there quietly for years. I was going to post about it in the O’Connell Street thread a few months ago after it first came to my attention, but a friend thought that doing so might blow its cover.
Fr Pat Noise, RIP.
@Devin wrote:
You do realise there was a fatal shooting there not too long ago, ctesiphon?! 😮
I have witnesses who can place me 8 miles away at the time.
Thanks Paul. the main reason I’m asking is I’m curious about the fate of the redbrick building I mentioned above. I fear it’s for the high-jump.
Spot on- damn you, Hickey!:)
The James Joyce House is fantastic- it was my first time in it. If anyone hasn’t yet gone, go soon before the work is completed. It’s amazing to see it in a state of semi-undress.
Another view from the top floor of the Joyce House on Usher’s Island, showing the same lamppost (this one’s not a test:) ):
Does anyone have any images of this new proposal? Or an idea of where it will be located? I’ve been hunting around, but all I can find is words. So many words…
Thanks.As I once heard a resident of some Brutalist London tower block say, part of the beauty of living in the building was not having to see it from outside.
When I worked in No. 51 St Stephen’s Green a few years ago, my boss had a top floor window overlooking the park- very envious I was.Just uploading some pictures from today, and I thought I’d put one here. Any thoughts? If not the exact lamppost, then the place from which the picture was taken, perhaps?
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Correct sir – though the address was optional 🙂
It’s the offices of the DTO- as a planner it’s my business to know. 😉
E has an air of the Moyne Institute on College Park in Trinity about it, but I can’t remember if the windows are round-headed or not right now.
F could be the little house behind Trinity’s walls on College Green?
G rings a bell- is that its entrance front or its garden front?:)
