ctesiphon
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You’re not wrong, hutton.
50 more are on the way. This picture was taken today on Grafton Street. Note the smaller dimensions of the proposed signage. Is it fair to say that the smaller signs on pedestrian streets wouldn’t be so bad? The scale seems more human, and they might be genuinely useful?
All metropoles on the list you posted above were on the original list, and I know that, in addition to Amiens Street, the one on St Luke’s Avenue (Coombe Relief road) was declared invalid. Perhaps all of the above were invalidated and then resubmitted? In that case, those numbers will be useful.
It’s good to hear that the councillors are becoming involved. I’m not sure of the extent to which people generally are aware of the scale of this proposal. And then to discover that the presumed quid pro quo is not in fact true…?
@Seamus O’G wrote:
I originally thought that A was probably an East-West street, because of the way the shadows are falling on the chimneys. Cavendish Row clearly isn’t.
Would it therefore be correct to say that that photo must have been taken in the very early morning?
In theory, knowing the orientation of a street and examining the line of the shadows cast should be sufficient to determine the time a photo was taken. If you project back from a shadow to the object casting the shadow, this will give the exact position of the sun. (If it can be done from two separate points, the answer will be even more accurate due to triangulation.) The sun is only ever in precisely the same position twice a year, at either side of the longest/shortest days- Dec 20th = Dec 22nd; Dec 19th = Dec 23rd; June 19th = June 23rd; etc.
So if the street above is north-south, and the sun seems low from the shadows, then I’d guess it was taken around midday in the winter, as the sun would be in the due south position at midday (moving from east to west through south as the day progresses), and the low angle would indicate winter time.
Which side of the solstice? Only our photographer knows the answer to that.;)
If it was an east-west street, then you could presume an early morning photo time in summer- or a late evening one! 🙂
(The above is a methodology more than an accurate answer to your question. I’m not sure off the top of my head of the exact orientation of Cavendish Row.)
Well suffice to say that the work of jimg and newgrange would have been of considerable assistance to anyone making a submission, observation or representation on this matter. 😉
Ooh- good work there sir. The more councillors who can be made aware of the nonsense of this scheme the better.
@hutton wrote:
Fellows – jimg, Newgrange et all, well done – your research and breakdowns has been particularily useful in informing our local representatives, and the process as a whole.
Seconded. Your input here, jimg and newgrange, proved most beneficial. I can assure you the work was used for the greater good of the city (I can say no more for now). So thanks for that.
And when both the Libeskind building and the little red jetty yoke are finished, we’ll have The wedge by the ledge.
In fact, taken collectively, they could be The cheese wedge, the quay’s ledge and the Mr Freez hedge. Not far from the sea’s edge.
You’ll stop me when I’ve gone too far, won’t you?
*two swift pun-jabs to the kidneys and ctesiphon falls silent*
The skewers on the sewer?
*thump*
The canes and the lanes?
*oof*
Baguette Street?
*he is quietly removed for a well deserved pun-ishment beating*
The Sticks in the Craw? Oh hang on, that doesn’t rhyme.
The wands on the pond?
The barber on the harbour?
Or, given the recent SoHo nonsense, maybe they’re going for another American theme- the Batons Rouges Quarter?
It seems we might have drawn the Schwartz straws here, folks…
*ctesiphon gets taken away to the punitentiary at this point*
The lift shafts of the Aires Mateus were being cast in situ two weeks ago.
The Libeskind was invisible, though the Schwartz plaza is nearing completion- estimated date is late March according to DDDA people.
Isn’t completing the plaza before the performing arts building a bit like hoovering the shed before commencing the woodwork?
Siempre. 🙂
The new bike is my daily sidekick (I was going to say ‘daily ride’, but, well…), but the old girl still gets a whirl every so often.
ctesiphon (resisting all sorts of double entendres…:o ).
@manifesta wrote:
Is it a bicycle? ]
Aye- the trusty old tubular nag. She was put out to grass about 6 months ago when I got a showjumper, but she’s still a dependable old girl in her own way. 🙂@manifesta wrote:
If pictures aren’t available of the original shed, I wonder if there be any land surveys or maps that might show precisely where it might have lived before it was demolished. And if there’s any evidence at all in the new Grand Canal DART station of this original wall they claimed to preserve, it’s certainly scant evidence. Invisible, one might say. Unless I’m not looking closely enough… I’d love to be proven wrong on this one.
As it was only demolished in 1999, according to RoryW above, there’s every chance it features on 1:1000 city maps from the late or mid-20th century. These show individual plot outlines and building footprints, but they don’t show detail of internal layouts. I’m not sure if these maps are available to buy, though libraries might have them.
I’ve never heard of the wall being retained- was this meant to be part of the station design? Is it supposed to be a feature in some way? I must confess I don’t know the station well at all- must have a look when I’m next passing.
One other thing: http://www.irishhistoricmaps.ie is the relatively new website fot the Ordnance Survey’s digitised historic maps, available for purchase rather than for free dwnload afaik. Might be of some use.
@GrahamH wrote:
The above structure seems to be a typical 1950s concrete shed of column and sleeper construction, where horizontal bands were slotted down between the verticals like a giant jigsaw puzzle. Another example is on the Drumcondra Road near the Griffith Avenue Garda station
Spot on, Graham. As well as being typical of the mid-20th century, they were particularly associated with railways- I’ve seen examples in a few towns around the country, often converted to domestic garages when the associated railway lines were lifted as so often happened. Original functions included storage, offices and even occasionally waiting rooms on platforms- this construction type didn’t have a single purpose across the board.
From your pics, manifesta, it would appear that the damage was a combination of fire, neglect and probably some low level vandalism.Regarding the other query, I don’t have pictures of the old shed, nor do I remember it, I’m afraid.
But I do have a spare pony.
@PSPLANNER wrote:
As a planner who has worked in both domains I can assure you that what you suggest for TPA and RPS already happens with most if not all planning consultants. The aim of Private sector planner is to obtain planning permission for their client for a planned scheme. In this regard, the private sector planner is also governed by the Development Plan and must advise the client accordingly. Yes there are Clients who act against advice and lodge silly applications but this is the reason why private sector planning consultants are generally not always successful. Also who do you think proposes and strongly encourages the client to give planning gain?
I shouldn’t presume to speak for alonso, but my understanding of his (?) post was that it said much the same as yours.
Viz.:
@alonso wrote:At the end of the day, the Authorities make development plans and are the guardians of the built environment. Planners merely give effect to those plans.
@PSPLANNER wrote:
In this regard, the private sector planner is also governed by the Development Plan and must advise the client accordingly.
And:
@alonso wrote:What needs to happen in my opinion is the RPS’ and TPA’s of this world need to show leadership to their clients and show them that doing the right thing is better in the long term
@PSPLANNER wrote:
Also who do you think proposes and strongly encourages the client to give planning gain?
Re your other points:
I think there is a variety of reasons why senior public planners leave office and set up privately- access to privileged information and a rolodex full of developers’ names didn’t seem to feature on your list. Wait and see how many leave when the bubble bursts. Indeed, wait and see how many consultants survive at their current staff levels…
Perhaps I’m the exception, but I’ve dealt with a wider range of work than many of my peers who went private. And my job positively encourages the taking of the high moral ground.]Your writing skills are tested more rigorously…[/QUOTE]
But maybe not your comprehension skills…?
And FWIW, some of the material I’ve seen written or compiled by private consultants would make their parents blush. Internal contradictions, misunderstandings of policy documents, examples from planning systems elsewhere that aren’t applicable to the Irish context, etc. etc.Anyway, if you’ll excuse me I have a fire to fight.
@GrahamH wrote:
So moving two or four of them? Would this be that gaping hole at the back of the big rendered WSC building on the corner?
It HAS to be all four, surely?
The only site that would fit that description is the patch of tarmac I think you’re referring to, Graham- under the ‘Why Go Bald?’ sign, where Mick Wallace had his containers for a good while.
(I’ve only just twigged the irony of Mick Wallace having his sheds by that sign!:) )
I was over on George’s Street today at lunchtime and the portion of the street between Exchequer Street and Fade Street was closed, as were Fade Street and Exchequer Street themselves. Apparently the slates were flying off the roof of the Arcade (South City Markets) earlier due to high winds so the Guards stepped in to block the junctions.
Couldn’t get any pics as the streets were closed, but I did see shards on the ground.
Aside from the significant concerns this raises about the building itself, I thought some of you might care to know in case it’s part of your route home.;) No traffic at all – cars, buses, bikes, pedestrians – is being allowed down at the moment.
Dare we believe that it might be true…?
I passed them again the other day and they really are an embarrassment. Thanks for the info.
@shaun wrote:
Anybody know if they’ve started on the U2 tower yet ??
Or the new bridge, Macken street ??
Neither yet, shaun. Soon…:rolleyes:
Also, thanks jackwade for the pic. Certainly helps the discussion for those not familiar with the buildings.
Can a citizen be prosecuted for criminal damage if the damage is done to an illegal structure?:rolleyes:
Again, great work Devin. Stay on the bastards.
That’s interesting, KB2. Thanks.
Surely there’d be a way to get rid of the bias- names out of a hat, hierarchy based on final exam results, etc. Anyway, we’re getting off topic, I fear.
FWIW, I was in one ofthe first years to go through Transition Year in a pilot programme (even got into the Sunday Tribune aged 16 as part of a class photo, such was the novelty!), and, while it had some good points, on balance I think it was largely a waste of time, and in some respects did more harm than good.
There’s good and bad public, good and bad private. Hard to say if one side of the fence is better than the other.
I took the first summer job I found, and was lucky in getting good experience while there. But I was fairly sure that my heart lay in the public sphere beforehand, so I could justify it to myself as getting to know the enemy.:)
I think that last point is something that many graduates don’t think about, and the system doesn’t really allow the choice- it’s generally a case of taking the first job that comes along. But some public planners would be better in the private world and vice versa.
For me, being a private planner involved / would involve too many moral compromises; too much blinkered thinking. Advocating a scheme that felt wrong, but for which I was being paid by a developer, stuck in my craw. But then again, seeing the world through someone else’s eyes is how we get to know it better. As John McGahern said, ‘I think of a lack of manners as a failure of the imagination, because it shows an inability to put yourself in someone else’s shoes.’
Re planning aid- I’ve thought in the past that many professions could benefit from such a scheme, like a cross between national service and free legal aid. All graduates, on qualification, would join a pool have to work for two years on a random variety of cases, thereby gaining valuable experience while removing any potential bias in the system.
Leave it with me for now.:)
Well… I think Ringsend can be both, no? Rather than just, y’know, a local village for local people?;)
darkman-
Are you putting up the money to buy the residents out? Are you going to find them alternative accommodation? Are you going to go house to house and say ‘I think your building is ugly – and everyone’s entitled to their opinion – so if you don’t mind, please move along. You really are dragging down the tone of the place. I know your sort have been treated badly down through the years, but if you don’t mind just one more punch in the guts… See, you’re spoiling my view.’Jeez, but SimCity has a lot to answer for. Or was it those old black and white war movies where generals shunted tanks around on a big map while hidden safely in an underground bunker?
@alonso wrote:
So it’s not entirely useless ]
And I recently saw someone fix a puncture by the light of the benches.:rolleyes:
@alonso wrote:btw blurred vision doesn’t make this building any better
Archiseek- where research in the public interest knows no bounds! Thanks for putting yourself on the line for us, alonso.
