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@corcaighboy wrote:
Although I don’t know of any physical references to British rule, the name of the ‘Old English Market’ in Cork probably qualifies as a partial form of British symbolism.
@burge_eye wrote:
I was told by a reliable Corkonian source that it was called the “English” market because the sellers spoke English. Up until then Irish was spoken. I’m sure someone will tell me if it’s arse.
I’m not an authority on this, but I think it’s called the ‘English Market’ due to the ethnicity, rather than the language, of its patrons and/or sellers.
To back up this claim, I noticed that there is a sign in Grand Parade pointing to the market. The sign is in Irish and says “Sean Mhargadh na Sacsan”.
There are also several Royal Standards and insignia around UCC, particularly on the old building in the Quad.
27 stories seems a bit much for Drogheda, but its probably an over-estimate so that what the planners tell them to knock 7 stories off of it, the developers say “ok”. How far is it from the Railway Station?
@lexington wrote:
…Cork as the nation’s second city (and mythical ‘Real Capital’ 🙂 ) …
Lets get something straight here: Cork may be the second largest city in the state, but it is only the third largest city in the nation!!!!
@burge_eye wrote:
Am I missing something or doesn’t the multi zillion pound LUAS link Connelly and Heuston????
The LUAS is great if you want to start your journey somewhere along the line, and finish somewhere else along the line. The Interconnector will also benefit intercity trains.
I don’t know if IE have plans to do this, but it would be great if we could have (for example) Cork-Dublin-Belfast trains, or Waterford-Dublin-Sligo trains, so that national connections could be made without getting out at Heuston or Connolly and trecking across the city (wasting AT LEAST an hour in the process).
This will aid regional development even though it is a Dublin project, by allowing people in (say) Portlaoise access other parts of the country (like Dundalk) almost as easily as if they were based in Dublin and with greater time-certainty than before.
Originally posted by FIN
…Ireland in a prime position to host major championships and become a bidder to host the Olympic Games.
The Sports Campus Ireland certainly looks attractive, but does anyone really believe we can build it. Much as I’d love it to happen, we’re never going to host the Olympic Games. Greece is the smallest country ever to host the games and they only got it because of their history (quite rightly).
Originally posted by FIN
It’s location beside the M50 and the N3, just 1.5km from Blanchardstown town centre, and close to Dublin airportLansdowne Rd is 1.5km from the city centre, where all the hotels are, and where fans travelling from other parts of the country arrive. Its also got a railway line, which Abbotstown doesn’t.
I can see the concerns about capacity, but Abbotstown would have the potential to be a white elephant, whereas we know what type of events Lansdowne attracts.
Originally posted by blue
That will be historic day, the first foreign sport played in Croke Park.It maybe wasn’t the first, but I was at the Notre Dame-Navy American football game that was played in Croke Pk in 1996.
I think the Arup Lansdowne Rd plan looks great – its definately what we should go for. I wouldn’t hold me breath about GAA opening Croker, though. I think IRFU should play games in Belfast during the construction phase, don’t know what FAI can do.
Dublin may need a metro – but not to link it to the Airport. A very high proportion of people using the airport DON’T live in Dublin centre – they live in the suburbs and other parts of the country. They don’t want to have to go into the city centre and then take a metro having walked to wherever the metro terminus will be.
Another point that has been raised here is that the northern DART line is operating at capacity.
SOLUTION – run the Airport rail connection along a branch from the Maynooth line and extend that line to connect to the Northern line, north of Dublin Airport. Then you run all Drogheda / Dundalk / Belfast trains along this line through the Airport to Connolly. This leaves extra capacity on the DART line.
The primary advantage is that, for example, someone living in Belfast can be at Dublin airport in 1h45 without ever seeing the centre of Dublin.
This model works at Schipol airport. I was there recently and was able to hop on the inter-city network at the airport and go to Groningen without going near Amsterdam.
They should forget about the Parnell place site altogether and move the bus station to the railway station at the same time as they redevelop that.
Of the small to medium sized cities (let’s face it, that’s what Cork is) that I’ve visited – the best combine their bus and rail stations.
There’s lots of potetial for the land between kent station and the river – it could also help the dire access situation (what the hell they thought they were doing with the lwr glanmire rd is beyond me)!
OK, we take it as given that we need a second stadium, because whether or not we need it is a whole different argument.
It should be based at the Lansdowne Rd site.Whether we like it or not, a very large section of the Irish rugby public lives very close to the current site. We may not like the way they talk, or dress, or the cars they drive – but they do live in D4, not Abbotstown!
Fans travelling from outside Dublin to matches get to see the city aswel and enjoy the craic around town. Instead of driving as far as the M50, seeing the match and then driving home again – lets face it, even if it were legal, the Irish wouldn’t drink in car parks. And the govt is not going to build/sanction loads of pubs in the middle of nowhere that will only be used 15 times a year.
The DART is a piece of infrastructure that a) already exists, and b) has a much greater capacity that either bus or tram. (but of course they don’t have to be mutually exclusive! – The Stade de France is accesible by RER (similar to the DART), metro and tram).
Fin – the decision about what where to play in coming years is going to have to be made regardless of whether Lansdowne is out of action for rebuilding or not – UEFA very soon won’t be letting the soccer team use temporary seating, thus reducing the capacity of the ground and the FAIs gate revenue dramatically.
There is an argument for saying that the FAI should help either Bohs or Shels complete Dalymount or Tolka to arount 15 – 20,000 and use that for match as a (very) temporary measure while Lansdowne is redevelopped.
The Rugby team is different – but they could atlernate matches between Belfast, Limerick and possibly Cork.
Both of these measure would mean both the IRFU and the FAI would feel the pinch for a while – but if they leave the matter run and run it will come to a head at some point.
I personally think that redeveloping Lansdowne into a 65,000 stadium is the best option. The importance of the rail line cannot be overstated too, and there would be scope for redeveloping the station (to where the current West stand is) along with the stadium.
The current (Phoenix Pk) link between Heuston and Connolly doesn’t have the capacity to be used on a regular basis – I presume thats why its only used for big matches.
It also is aligned in such a way that trains can’t halt at Heuston and then continue on to Connolly. IMO people don’t generally see the benefits that a new (underground) link would bring.In Brussels they built an underground link between their two main stations (North and South). All tains that go through Brussels now go through both of those stations AND the newer Central station. This means that for people coming into the city from other towns and cities (ie not residents/commuters) they don’t need to get onto the metro/tram system because they simply choose the appropriate mainline station.
In Dublin, all intercity passengers have to get off at Connolly or Heuston regardless if their ultimate destination is the other part of the city. Everyone knows what happens at Heuston – you get off the train, then wait for the (crowded) bus to take you to where you really want to go – THE CITY CENTRE. Why???
LUAS, while it will serve its own purpose well, is not the answer to this – imagine what problems we’ll have at Heuston when loads of intercity passengers try to get on the tram which is already full of commuters!
If instead we had an underground interconnector (and a Central Station between H + C, also underground, as in Brussels) not only could we distribute the intercity passengers among three stations appropriate to their needs, but we could also have through trains (eg Cork-Dub-Belfast, Waterford-Dub-Sligo) allowing people who don’t want to wade through Dublin’s commuters to get a connecting train on the other side of the city, the opportunity to do so!
why is the bus station not being not being incorporated into the redesigned train station??
what people want is to be able to change transport modes easily. I’m glad the An Post site is no longer being used, but I really hoped that they’d combine the bus and rail stations.
The location in Parnell place is too cramped – there’s no way the bus station could ever be adequately redeveloped on that site.In Leuven, Belgium there is a wonderful example of a combined train/bus station, as is Great Victoria Street in Belfast.
I’d also like to see them take measures to stop cars from entering the city centre – its a fairly small centre and it can be walked accross in 10mins. This could be done by allowing cars an easy way to go around the centre but not into it.Whatever new/redevelopped stadium is build it HAS TO BE IN THE CITY CENTRE!
Lansdowne can be turned 90° and moved north-east a little on to the training pitch.
Then the area that is currently the West Stand could be the location for a high-capacity DART station! This coupled with being within walking distance of the City Centre will get people to and from the stadium very efficiently.
PAPWORTH – I’m a Derry City fan not a Bohs fan!!!
Never mind – I’ll take the sentiment as we’re going to be in Europe next season too thanks to our FAI Cup win!!!
get on the DART and get off at Dun Laoghaire, go to the East Pier and take a long walk to the end and back – its a great way to forget about life.
Also, the Bohemians game tomorrow (26th) is against Derry City, who will probably bring loads of fans (a: because they bring loads anyway, and b: because its the last game of the season and they’re in a bit of trouble.)
Go to soccerbot http://www.soccerbot.com/fai/tables/irprem03.htm to see what the situation is.Ok, sorry!
There are other tall buldings in Paris, but they don’t dominate the skyline like the two I mentionned.
La Défense can been seen from the city, but its not strictly in Paris (the 75 postcode which the French are oddly picky about!)
What I intended to say was that Paris has kept a fairly low-rise skyline with the exception of the Eiffel Tower and the Tour Montparnasse.
…thanks.
BTW: The Eiffel Tower is 320m tall and the only other tall building in Paris, The Tour Montparnasse, is 207m.
…just to give a first hand account:
The elevated sections of the Paris metro (lines 2,5 and 6) aren’t that desirable. They are alot higher above the ground than the underground bits are deep (to safely clear the roads underneath),
and (presumably because of safety and noise) they don’t operate as fast as other bits.Obviously a Maglev would overcome some of these problems, but I don’t think its an option for Dublin.
The Chinese are pretty good at prestige projects and this one was expensive.
My proposal for the airport link would be to connect it (as a through route) to the Belfast line. This idea is used in Amsterdam and Paris very well.
For example, in our case, air travellers from Belfast, Dundalk, Drogheda would have fast, convenient access to the airport without having to go into the city centre.
If the Heuston – Connolly underground interconnector is ever built, you could have through trains from the south to Belfast which also stop at the airport.
This would increase the airport’s catchment area considerably – which in turn would lead to a greater choice of routes from the airport.
