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the images of the hadid proposal are of terrible quality… are they photographs of newspaper images?
I like the view of the tower from the point theatre… the physical model in the bottom right of the last images is nice… but the horizontal element does kind of ruin itI’ve seen one image of the zaha hadid proposal in todays irish times, and i think it looks quite interesting
hmm, not impressed with this at all – looks so evil :/
The buildings adjacent to the tower are 7 stories so about ~30m high… from the render published i would suspect the height of the tower to be 180m at the level where both beams of light originate. I can’t see this ‘energy centre’ being a 60m addon to what is rendered – i would think it will be contained in the open area above the u2 studio, maybe the turbines are fixed to the horizontal structure shown at the top. Anyway, i guess everything will be cleared up soon enough, but that render certainly does not show a 120m structure (unless the scale is screwed, which i doubt).
In fact, when i look at it again – is there some sort of turbine being shown (very vaguely) between the top of the egg and the horizontal structure (x marked above what may be its centre point)?
Blah… i’d like to see the zaha hadid proposal
yep he was referring to the double helix type structure of the Gherkin. Infinity tower in dubai is similar to the u2 tower only much taller. From what i’ve read, the primary structure of that tower is the structural core and the perimeter columns which all twist in the same direction
Inifinity Tower
Can somebody with knowledge of building structure please comment on this please –
The images of the model above, show what seems to be structural columns which are twisting in the same direction at the perimeter of the building. My take on it (as a student), is that these twisting columns are connected to the structural core within each floor level by steel beams , and that this is the primary structure of the building : twisting columns, beams and core. The twisting columns would also support the glazed facade. Does this sound right? or is there something else going on.
Im asking because i have a similar structural solution with my design project (columns which twist in the same direction)… earlier in the year one of my tutors told me i would need columns running in the opposite direction also, to counteract the forces or whatever.
GGGGOOOOOO ZAHA
Can’t wait to see these new proposals, particularly zaha hadids… i didnt know she was working with one group of developers
The Irish Times 21/10/2006
Taoiseach supports high-rise waterfront for Dublin
”…According to Senator Morrissey, land prices of €30 million per acre could be achieved for most of the port holding which runs to 660 acres. The sale of land could release between €15 billion and €20 billion to fund infrastructure in the vicinity of the new port at Bremore….”
Pretty sure i read 50mill somewhere elese tho
something in the region of 600 acres, at something like 50mill per acre… which does put the land value at ~30 bill
I think thats it….I read it a while back :/
@Frank Taylor wrote:
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Do you ever suspect that these buildings are designed in Excel by colouring in the cells?haha yes, that comes after the excruciating task of extruding the square footprint x no. of metres upwards
@shadow wrote:
It would seem sensible to join the two sites establish a new street and design two reasonable sites as opposed to the elephant and the ant.
Don’t think i’d agree… I think the U2 site is one of the more attractive sites i’ve come across… nice, long, slender geometry. Its almost begging to stretch across and form the pedestrian connection to the Point Village!! 😉 (On the DDDA map i have, there is proposed, a 16m wide pedestrian only street of the PV – which begins directly across the river from the u2 tower, and runs to Sheriff street at the north. The LUAS stop will be midway up this new street. You can make out where the street would start on Peter Fitzs image above… directly to the right of the 4 pitched roof building)
Anyway, does nobody at all know the nature of the buildings on the larger site??? Heading home for a few days and i may take a trip to the big city itself. Do you think the builders on site would be willing to divulge any information about the grand plan for the area?
Peter Fitz, yep, it doesn’t look so small now when i look at it… however back then i was going along with the original site boundaries, in which the northern boundary of the site was in line with the northern boundary of the adjacent site, it felt really tiny, especially when i imagined the building line 8m from the eastern quay wall. This site is actually a comparable size to trump tower nyc, high cliff hong kong…which surprised me alot.
OK, Heres part of a cad map i picked up from DDDA about 3 months ago… It shows the U2 tower in its NEW position, right up against the north quay wall… with the proposed road/bridge dividing the site. It also shows footprints for buildings on the large adjacent site which I have no knowledge of (i didnt take time to research this development as ill make my own proposals here too… I did however at one early stage believe there was to be some sort of tower somewhere on this site??pretty sure i came across images of it here?)
Heres a couple taken within the site. Keep in mind the building line is 8m from the quay wall along the long end.
Yep it is the encampment, im using the site to design my own skyscraper for my final year project… Was down checking it out around november and stalled when i came across the mobiles. Spotted a gap in the barriers and plucked up the courage to move in and take photos and video footage with my new k800i and a dvcam, when some wee lad runs out of a caravan asking wtf i was doing. I told him i was a student and i was just taking photos for my class when i noticed he had a bloody STANLEY in his hand lol. I was sure he was after my equipment but he was cool when he realised i was a student…we had a quick chat about U2 and the tower and i got to hell outta there.
Anyway the site appears unbelievable narrow when you’re physically standing in the middle of it, I found it hard to imagine a 120m skyscraper going on it, and it looks like im going to be putting a 240m one on it.
blah, the current u2 tower proposal is bad, this point tower is terrible. When you look some of the proposals for residential skyscrapers around the world today, these proposals pale in comparison. Both of these projects should be amazing proposals and serve as an inspiration for more skyscrapers in dublin… and they look sh*t.
I read on the AJPlus website that the designs for U2 tower may be scrapped, and that a couple of british architects (one being Foster) are working on a new scheme. Can anybody shed some more light on this? Is it alright to quote the full aj article here?
yep, its a similar footprint to trump tower, ny, which rises to 270m or so.
Off Topic – the highest slenderness ratio i have come across is 11:1 for trump tower,… i’ve read that 12:1 is considered the upper limit for buildings (that was in a book published 15yrs ago). Has anyone come across any higher slenderess ratios? How high can we go, would say a 15:1 ratio be possible?
