CiaranO

haha graham,
tis not the mere mentioning of them more the revisionism attached….

go on try me, go on

:D:D

C.

well Greg thats a whole lot of effort and i have to say its commendable that you wish to educate someone to your way of thinking and go to such lengths to do so.

I use the term west brit, would you prefer seoneen?, as I feel there is a great amount of revisionism on this site, compared to say an historical site regarding Irish history, yes I have studied history and just not to agree with your point does not make me ignorant. I happen to believe that the negative points of our colonial past outweigh the positives while most of you here are happy to have some outstanding architecture as a reminder of such happy times.

I belive this is looking at the past through red white and blue tinted glasses.

This is not an anti-brit tirade, it’s an anti-irish rant. Those here who feel we should be back in the commonwealth etc.

My head out of An Phoblacht? You are so predictable, the typical response to someone who may speak in negative terms of british influence in Irelands social preogression, is co boring. and juvenile rhetoric too I hasten to add Greg.

Much more juvenile that the employment of the term west brit.

I really appreciate the structures we have been left with, but I do not think they have come about in a way in which I feel proud of them or many other people do. they were not bulit for the Irish for the pride of the Irish, so I cant help feel im left having to love someone else child.

Nuy the way my point about Aierlan was that she wrote of us being excited at having ringside seats for the empires forward strides… well I happen to think we still look to our neighbour too much for direction and leadership and to have the idea that Aierlan is overjoyed by being on the british coattails, a bit like ireland’s masses of premiership supporters, is in my opinion, quite sad.

Rory W. You are only not being anti-british because you support an english team? What a childish statement. Does that imply those who do not support an english team are free to be anti-british without hypocrisy. I dont support an english team, so I am free from hypocrisy. Great stuff. Thanks! 🙁

I lived in england for three years, and have studied there too, to suggest that I need to rewrite my history or theirs to do this and appreciate both states is bizarre, Most of us on this site are for a progressive and exciting Irish society and surroundings, so why do so many of you fall back to your ‘yes master’ mode and wish we could be more british.

Not anti-british, anti-anti-irish.

Cheers again Greg, ill check them out.

C.

link wont work……….

C.

Originally posted by Aierlan
SS Great Britain, Suez Canal, and so on. Singapore, Hong Kong, India, etc. were added to the Empire.

Ireland had a ringside seat for all of this.

Oh well thats great isn’t it!

While most on here bemoan the imagined ‘it’ll do’ culture of the state, others long and yearn for pre-independence Ireland when we were part of the honourable, caring Empire.

Now here’s Aierlan, wishing not only to be part of the great Empire but happy in the knowledge that we were only a ringside seat! surely an ‘it’ll do’ culture would be better than a subculture of passive acceptance of inferiority.

Oh how lucky we were to be taken under the wings of such a great nation. WOuld that it were th same again!

“Singapore, Hong Kong, India, etc. were added to the Empire.” your point?

is there a west brit monopoly on the irish architectural scene?
C.

Originally posted by Paul Clerkin

I would just like to point out that we didn’t erase anything.

no i accept that Paul, cheers I meant rather that it sometimes deosnt run smoothly this site, and having posted it, I got a duff page, and when i went back to the page on which i had typed it originally it was gone, and i could nto be bothered to repeat it!

GregF

Of course my world is insignificant. It is not the one you pervade. The one of ‘sure it’s all shite isn’t it’. the post colonial mind that once independence has been achieved tries to gain the upper hand by being like the previous oppressors. Your opinions that everyone in Dublin is just happy with everything no matter how bad it is may not be compleytely off the wall, but why continuously turn to the childish west brit rhetoric that its ‘cos were little old Ireland’. IF, and its a big IF, this is the case, surely YOU, are intent on changing things through your arhcitectural nous (are you an architect) or are you happy to have petty arguments online?

I am neither an architet nor an expert in urbn planning, but I do have an appreciation of good architecture and public buildings.

You seem to think that a simple improvement to Dublins architectural inadequacies would be some high-rise buildings. Of course, there have been thousands of minds that have designed skyscrapers for Dublin, but they obviously came to the wise conclusion that, correctly it would be frankly ridiculous to have one or two buildings over 150m in Dublin, with its low skyline. Perhaps you know better.

So architecture is an outward reflection of a society, indeed it is a reflection of civilization itself’
Well lets not start a ‘quotes’ battle as Im sure you understand I could find a quote to prove that the world is indeed flat.

I will say however that there is already some great architecture in Ireland, although a lot of it is pre-1922 so I suppose you wouldnt count that would you. Is James Gandon not British enough for you either?

Self-criticism is always necessary of course, but poisonous self-loathing is not really the way to do it.

C.

is that it with the third section up now?? seems a lot higher than last night!

C.

trying to be a devil’s advocate here, lets see if we can get an answer.

Can the spire’s spending be justified in the light of social standards in Dublin?

C.

national game? soccer? You really think so?

I doubt it,

as a Bohs fan and regular traveler to dalymount and Celtic Park also I love soccer for the game it is, and feel that the ‘garrison’ and ‘foreign’ element of it has long gone, and that it is truly a global game now and that makes the whole anti-english idea redundant. However if you look at the attendances from Croker last year and any amount of irish figures for soccer it is clear that it will never get near the GAA figures. Stupid statement.

I do not particularly like the gaelic games anymore as i have certain problems with the rules, but i do like hurling a bit. Howeve while most have a soft spot (unfortunately and hypocritically so) for ManU etc and to a greater and more sincere extent Celtic, there is not the support in numbers as there is for GAA>

Politicking ruined our chance of hosting 2008 and the fact that Glasgow had three stadiums in the one area. Portugal had hardly any decent stadiums when they were given euro 2004 and austria and switz is not exactly a hotbed for soccer either, and have a lot of stadiums to build.

IF there was NO chance of us hosting it then why was the proposal given a 90%+ approval rating by UEFA inspectors? The reason they lost was not stadium issues in Dublin. Fact.

Ciaran

Getting quite excited about the SPike just now.
I am travelling into town to have a look in the next while, Id bring my digicam but for the fact that the battry takes three hours to charge to any decent level of usefulness!

Im sure FJP or some other will take a decent photo anyhow!

Im sure that a lot of the cynics in Dublin will be won over by the sheer scale of the finished project and when the protective wrapping is removed it will be quite a sight, glimmering in the rare Dublin sunlight.

C.