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apologies for the last post.
I think Cork needs a lot more regeneration than DUblin will ever need. I was there in December for the first time in my memory and was wholly underwhelmed, part of this was the Bus Aras (literal meaning of course) and I think everyone will welcome the overhaul it will receive. Any images of the planned changes online?
Originally posted by Graham Hickey
I know this is the Spire thread, but just to say there’s a very fine and virtually unknown statue of Albert (Victoria’s other half) to the rear of Leinster House, excecuted by John Henry Foley, maker of O’ Connell Monument, and is in a similar style but smaller. Nice it didn’t suffer Victoria’s fate round the front.The bronze statue of Prince Albert in Leinster Lawn was erected in 1872 and there WAS an (unsuccessful) attempt to blow it up in the same year.
not sure many know or care of its existence now, but quite a great example of foley’s work.
Originally posted by Graham Hickey
Interesting that as a result of the removal (blowing up?) of Victoria in College Green, Dublin is the only European city without an equestrian statue.Still, we’re also the only city with 396 foot Spire!
Touche.
Just for you a chara….
C.
here’s my effort!
the newly painted Dun Laoghaire baths with a new hotel too….
C.
ORIGINAL IMAGE FROM fJP.COM (i know you hate it when not credited jack, sorry for the tampering with image… great pic)
Originally posted by AndrewP
It might have been wise to dedicate the pillar to someone else, but where do you stop this architectural revisionism?
People seem happy enough to keep the name for the Wellington Monument without feeling their Irishness under threat.
Funny how we haven’t had a sustained campaign of blowing up old Brit postboxes by the IRA since independence. Presumably they don’t mind using them to send letter bombs.
By the way, I can’t get them smiley face things to work when I want to show I’m half-joking…!thats a shame Andrew becuase i half expect one after every post :);)
anyhow, I think some people may have a dislike of wellington (mostly if not exclusively for his horse/stable comment) but i think youll find attitudes toward a(n) (irish born) character of that sort would differ to those toward th british monarch and King William….
*No smileys*
C.
Originally posted by GregF
In 1966 there was no need to blow up Nelsons Pillar. But that’s the IRA for ye….cultural ambassadors…Not!
By right the bureaucrats should have removed and replaced the statue of Nelson with a statue of Wolfe Tone who was afterall a Dub and the founding father of the Irish Republic. All references to Nelson and the empire should have been removed too and replaced with references to Tone and Democracy. In that way the pillar could have remained as part of the street and statue of tone could have been cast in a classical manner in keeping with his time and the plinth of the pillar. But no, that would have beyond the comprehension of the people of the time.
Anyway here’s to today, the times we live in now and the Spire of Dublin.I concur. perhaps the city manager (was there one at the time?:)) should have had a meeting with the ‘lads’ before and arranged for just the top section to be removed….better than asking the ‘army’ to do it, and a lot cheaper…
C.
just found this on the wellington monument…..
“The testimonial obelisk in the Phoenix Park, 205 feet high (designed by R. Smirke), to commemorate the victories of Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington (1769-1852), was erected in 1817.
It was originally intended to erect an equestrian statue on a pedestal beside the monument, – but this intention has been abandoned, and the pedestal has been removed”I know there used to be another equestrian statue at the mansion house, but this would have been more impressive im sure had it been built.
Originally posted by StephenC
Actually the statue on College Green was of William III. A statue to Victoria was on the city side of Leinster House but was removed in the 1940s and left in storage somewhere. In 1988 the Government gave it to Sydney to commemorate the Bicentennial.cheers thats the one I was thinkin of. better suited to the aussies methinks…
Originally posted by Graham Hickey
Interesting that as a result of the removal (blowing up?) of Victoria in College Green, Dublin is the only European city without an equestrian statue.Still, we’re also the only city with 396 foot Spire!
Touche.
you mean touchy? 🙂
well Rory, the reason is I support the removal thats why. As you do, and Im sure many others, If it wasnt done by them Im sure it probably would still be there, and I think youll agree that if it was done in trhis day and age it would be somewhat different to it being done back then it that climate.
anyhow I didnt want to speak of politics just the fact that Im happy with the name of the spike, but theres no need to be so revisionist on this site! christ, if I were a stranger to Ireland and came on here Id be under the impression that everythign thats grat about Dublin (mostly what ppl speak of) is british, and that we should keep every remnant of britishness as sacred. Then if someone mentions 1916 in anything but negative tones, theyre shot down!
Thats my final word on it…Ill stick to the bricks n mortar now (or preferably glass and steel :))
Just an opinion graham, no need to be so touchy! 🙂 its friday!
and as I said I like the name that’s there already! So I never said it should be called the pearse pillar or anything like that! I only said the (here we go again) STephen C post was boring predictable stuff…and asked for evidence to the contrary- I think (as Niall agreed) that there should be a more prominent monument to pearse and the others in or around the GPO, not just some plaques…instead of the typical ‘oh enough of 1916 already, ‘its like, so, Oirish’ drivel Stephen puts here…
Niall, I meant the statur of Victoria that was in College green area (i think)…sorry bout that.
FJP – I think it will forever be known as the spike to the public and the name picking is a waste of time….
not sure bout spikey-wickey though! 😀
Originally posted by StephenC
What a load of old cobblers… why not just stick to the plain old simple Spike! Or Spire of Dublin if you have to…
All this Padraig Pearse crap…. enough with the 1916 memorials. And as for Brian Boru…please! Where did that one come from. Its so twee.
oh yes, there’s so many memorials to them isnt there Stephen! (name a couple will you please)
Oh and Rory W, you’d prefer to still have Nelson on O Connell street? (philistines! ha!)
I suppose the government were philistines removing vicky’s staute too!I prefer the name as it is, for what its worth.
C.
any indication that people will buy in great numbers archtiecture that is that little bit more adventurous?
Is it a worn out question that the developers have to plan safe, not to be sorry, or is it the case that in this day and age there is no excuse for bad design?
I know Id prefer a griffner haus than one of the monstrosities here in Tallaght but if theyre not built people have to make do with what is made available at their price level. And that is becoming increasingly restrictive.
Has there ever been a housing development (onb a large scale) controlled by a group of architects and not developers, who will cut and trim?
C.
Ive only been to Limerick once in my life, and found the city very uninpsiring apart from one building, the hotel I stayed in: the Clarion. Its a beautiful structure the locals have nicknamed the rugby ball, fittingly enough for limerick.
Its beautifully designed and fits in very well at the riverside its on. The upper three or four stories remain closed at the moment im told but will open this year making available some lovely penthouse rooms.
C.
