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Ryanair seemed to have added an extra route out of Cork to Bristol but there was no typical Ryanair fanfare about it or I can’t find a timetable on the website. Was this route forecast back along?

@Torquemada wrote:

Hi All, Whats the latest on the Werdna water street development?Is construction beginning soon?How many storeys have been allowed?Also, any update on the Clontarf street project?The small triangular shaped property at the back of the Bus Station?

I not sure when the Werdna water st development is due to start. This is what was finally permitted, peaking at 10 stories at the eastern end.
The Clontarf st project is still tied up in the CCC planning process.

@Pug wrote:

Oyster Devts have applied to build 120 apts over 5 storeys + shop and creche on the former Coca Cola bottling plant on carrigrohane rd

I think it is 5 to 8 stories, with 5 stories fronting onto the Carrigrohane rd and 8 stories at the back of the site. Our “sustainable Development” friends have already confirmed that they will be objecting to the height of the development. I ask you, out the straight road, beside the county hall, with no housing estates around it. If you can’t build 8 stories there where can you build them?

Water street was decided today. Details will not be available before Dec, 25th.

@Pug wrote:

ABP have pushed out the Werdna decision to ……………?

14th December

and it now apparently is for 233 units instead of 304

I feel that what An bord Pleannala are considering is a modified proposal with the highest element being 10 story, not the 17/19 story tower originally included. The following is from the Murry O’Laoire site, the architects.

MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT,
WATER STREET & LOWER GLANMIRE ROAD, CORK

Client: Werdna Ltd.
Site area: 1.6217 hectares (4 acres)
Residential floor area: 26,000 sq.m.
Commercial floor area: 2,000 sq.m.
No. of Units: 233 Apartments
Business Centre
Creche
Shops/Cáfe
Contract value: €60 million

Proposed development comprising a residential scheme consisting of 233 apartments and 2,000 sq.m. of commercial amenities including a business centre, shops, cafés, and a crèche. The development incorporates underground parking structures, private courtyards, riverside plaza with retained slip, and a quayside promenade along the full length of the riverside. The site is the amalgamation of the McMahon Timber Merchants and the Port of Cork site, and is part of the Docklands Development area. It forms part of an overall waterfront development zone that links back to Kent Railway Station by means of future redevelopment of Horgan’s Quay.

The apartments are of an innovative and contemporary design and are arranged in a primarily North South axis with raised landscaped courtyards in between. The layout enables all of the apartments to have views of the water and benefit from a southerly aspect. They range in area from 77 sq.m. to 115 sq.m. for the 2-bed apartments. The top two levels of the buildings consist of very generous two storey duplex apartments and these penthouses have even more panoramic views of the Lee and the city.

Two significant buildings, the Harbour Masters Main Store Office and the Fabrication Workshop are being refurbished, and are being redeveloped as a créche and a business centre, respectively.

An important element of the proposed development is the 10 storey landmark building on the Eastern part of the site. This part of the development is intended to act as an icon for the Cork docklands, acting as a gateway for the city from the Dublin and Waterford approaches.

The scheme provides significant public gain by the provision of a major and attractive urban plaza, an interesting and varied waterfront walkway and the conservation of important elements of Cork’s architectural and marine heritage including the Patent Slip, Fabrication Workshop building and the Harbour Offices.

The scale and the presence of the development is appropriate to the openness and scale of the waterfront, the context of the RH Hall and other major buildings on the Southside of the River and its setting as a gateway into the City and as a terminal point for development on the waterfront on the Northside of the Lee.

@Pug wrote:

whats the whisper on wernda and water st? was due for decision yesterday – bord pleanala havent updated their info yet

Back to the 13-12-2006 now?
This project is tied up in planning since ’03 and fast approaching 2 years with an bord pleanala. If the private sector made decisions at this rate, we would have an economy like Albania.

Just a question. Are there any cases where the Cork City planning authorities have actually turned down an application because it was too low density and the optimium developmental potential of the site was not realised? I keep seeing planning decisions where a story or more is knocked off a proposed development or the density is reduced. There are a number of receint developments close to the city centre where I think the site potential was seriously under-utilised. One in particular is the new Woodies centre which is a mile from the city centre and on a bus route. Here you have a warehouse type single story retail centre with 3 or 4 acres of surface car parking. This I feel should have been developed along the lines of the Blackpool Retail Park which is a perfect example of getting the maximum potential from an urban site and is very well designed with a lived in feel to it. The car parking is condensed into a multistory, offices were built over the retail stores together with apartments and a cinema. A park was even included and handed over to the City Council. All this on a site even smaller that the Woodies one. I do not see the point in the City Council looking for a boundery extention when they are under utilising the land they have. I think any area within a 2 mile radius of the city centre should have the highest possible density to help to reduce the sprawl of the city into the countryside and give more sustainable living and working spaces.

Is there any news on the Water street developement? This was due for a decision by An Bord Pleannana last Friday. They received the appeal in May 2005, thats over a year and a half ago and have put back the date a number of times.