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@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Architects are being told to assume that all the existing buildings, except the protected structures will be demolished to make way for the redevelopment. The competition will be held by the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland and will be judged by a panel headed by ESB Chairman Lochlann Quinn.
It’s not an RIAI competition…
i know- seems ridiculous doesnt it?
Quote from TGD part A, page 8, Par 1.1.3.11:
“The floor to floor and ceiling to ceiling heights should not exceed 2.7m”It is part of the Structure section so i gues it has to do with the stability of a standard cavuty wall construction, rather than regulating the height of rooms..
But if i go outside these limits do i need an engineer to verify the design?thanks for the replies
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oh my god…
just saw the images…
the SOM design… well, did i miss something, but when did they start copying libeskind? maybe after they lost the WTC..
as for libeskinds It is REPULSIVE. nuff said
STW, never thought i’d say this, but from the renderings it’s my favourite. if it was executed well then it could be beatiful, however i have no faith in STW to execute it well.
H.penn, from the baby infants rendering its hard to say whats going on
to be fair, i’m only judging from one image per project, but all signs point to either
a) mediocrity
b) a ‘daring, new design statement’ which is in fact only a nod to design trends that were fashionable 10 years agoshame
well, i don’t think it matters what the design talents of the President are- as long as he acts in the interest of the profession, and the public as a whole.
i for one think that a ‘businessman’ architect like Reddy would make a better president than a ‘pure’ architect who can only relate to other architects.
by the way i agree with the architectural criticisms what? has of Reddy associates, i just don’t think it matters so much- he may still be a good preisdent…my god…
most of the people on this message board are disgusted at the way this competition was run, dissgusted at the way the ddda refuse to cooperate, disgusted at the lack of some kind of inquiry, and disgusted at the image this debacle portrays of ireland to foreign architects.
then, a foreign architect who has entered the competition has the balls to write to the ddda and post his opposition here, and then lo and behold! all our pathetic little irish scavengers come out of the woodwork and launch into an attack on the quality of his design! it doesn’t matter if you don’t like it, what matters is that the decision-making process is transparent and open to the public in the form of the minutes of the jury meeting.
oh, and you’re right, a harp doesn’t represent ireland- it’s much to modern and advanced…. i would suggest maybe a stone axe, or a plough…
ok, i should clarify my position… landmarks buildings are not inherently bad, but when a city is composed of them then the residual space (ie the city we experiences on the street) becomes a left over space between competing architects…
and the power of somewhere like croke park comes from the combination of ‘infill’ and the fantastical landmark…
The desire for landmark architecture is something that has ravaged postwar european cities, and it’s only now that architects are beginning to realise that infill is the way forward, and temple bar represents a role model for cities everywhere… originally the plan was to knock it all down and build ‘landmarks’…
However…. in one sense i agree with you greg f- the last great, heroic landmark building in dublin centre i can immediately recall is the central bank… (excluding the spike)… too long…‘mere infill’ !!
i’m afraid the problem with modern architecture is this scorn of ‘mere infill’ resulting in everyone trying to show off but nothing relating to each other- gehry as prime example. the sooner architecture returns to mere infill the better our cities will be- more temple bar and less spencer dock…
i would suggest nomination the entire temple bar project as a landmark building project, along with the M50 which has had a huge architectural impact on the citys hinterland (not necessaily for the best however…)
what a shame.. a poor choice….
also- around november i was told that it was a certain Mr. Dunne who wrote the brief for this competition. i must stress that this is only hearsay but makes you wonder… i mean even competitions on the back of a cornflakes box state that you can’t enter if you have relations etc. attached to the organising company…
i think the most impressive thing about the house is the site, on top of a hill on the edge of the town centre. the house itself is nothing too impressive but has a nice massive quality, and in a fairly run down state. i would not be against it being replaced with an appropriate building which respects the qualities of the original. although the sad thing is it will probably be replaced by some heap of shite which sprawls all over the site…
also, i think the issue of the radio stationis more important than this house. when people receive nearly all their information from the media then who provides this information is an extremely important issue which affects us whether we know it or not…
well, i would assume by giving the envelopes to a third party (pwc) they maintain the process of anonymity- which is the reason they don’t carry out this audit themselves and they hire someone independent.
as for asking for an image to identify the project, i would say most offices would be very reluctant to email images to someone in case they are abused in some way- leaked to the press, copyright infringement etc… so asking for the report is like asking for the least sensitive document of the submission.
however, i agree that what started as a great opportunity for all parties has degenerated into a bit of a mess. the ddda are absolutely not fit to carry out an architectural competition of any size, let alone one this big. starting from the provision of a half-assed brief, the awarding of ONE prize which is one sixth of the entry fees, the lack of two-stages, no association with the RIAI (i think), complete confusion as to how to pay the entry fee (they told me to send cash in an envelope!!), then the complete lack of a deadline for the results, and now the hiring of an independent auditing company to verify the process….
well, lets hope it’s worthwhile, and they pick a winner that is in the spirit of an open architectural competition- something new, interesting, and not dependent on reputation…
i should also add that the Great Egyptian Museum competition was run incredibly smoothly, with 1600 competitiors, and because of it’s openness and fairness it gives a talented ‘unknown’ the opportunity to shine- lets hope the DDDA do the same….
i can only guess the ddda are preemptively covering their asses.
because of the anonymity controversy at the beginning of the process, they have called in a heavyweight auditing company to ensure the process was anonymous, therefore if someone threatens court action after the result they can wave their big fat audit in the air and say ‘not guilty and we have the papers to prove it, ha ha!’
sorry, i probably came over a bit too critical- overall its very impressive, partly reminds me of the Salk Institute by Kahn (BIG compliment!)
also, image 2 is at the back of the site i assume- is this a new street?
wow, the drawings are really beautiful- good to see people still use pencils…. (please say it wasn’t done in photoshop or something:)
in images 1&2 the building looks really well, unfortunately no. 3 looks like the developer/council got their hands on it, while image 4 looks like its taken from somewhere else completely!
really good to see regional towns investing in real architecture at last… even though its still only isolated incidents
