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Wouldn’t it be great to see the predestrian zone of Grafton St extended down College Green, Westmoreland St. and over O’Connell Bridge. Creating a huge paved area in front of Trinity and linking Grafton St. with O’Connell St./Henry St.
The stuff dreams are made of I know.
Even if the pavement could be widened on this route would be an improvement for the lowly predestrian.
To all in favour of building the Stadium in Abbotstown, it’ll be impossible to recreate the unique pre-match atmosphere that surrounds Lansdowne road out at Abbotstown.
Baggott St and other routes to the stadium are famous on a match day and the reason so many fans love coming to Ireland.
Also we should be encouraging people not to use the car and Lansdowne road in very well serviced (Train, plane and seaport) by the dart NOW
Abbotstown may well be connected in the future but you just won’t be able to walk there and soak up the atmosphere as you can in Lansdowne road. Again its something that an economic argument overlooks but the atmosphere it what makes an experience. No matter how state of the art Abbotstown is it’ll lack the soul of Lansdowne road and its surroundings.
Just think the money that could have been spent 6 years ago on a stadium has since gone into to the health service and other “more noteworthy causes” and have we noticed the difference Mary? Eh … no! The health service is still a mess.
Spend the bloody money and invest in the future. Economic arguments seem to govern everything now a days. From the closing of local hospitals to the building of stadiums we have forgotten the non-economic effects.
You can’t put a price on some of the social benefits of building a stadia. Even if all it does is encourage more kids to play sport its worth it.
If more kids play sport it will mean they are less likely to burden the health service later in life!! There’s an economic benefit for you. 😉
Don’t the IRFU own a land bank out at Newlands Cross?
Thanks Paul.
I wonder are they planning on using the crypt as the beer store? Chilly!!
Just from looking trough the fence on the site it looks like the Church will sit on the square without being railed off. Quiet a big bit of paved area extending north of the Church too, which will no doubt be used for tables and chairs.
4 billion is the RPA figure and that bunch of monkeys should not be allowed near another infrastructure project. Let a private company build and run it and you’ll see its price tag drop, even half which brings it inline with the cost of the LUAS.
Ok the LUAS is cheaper but the metro offers greater capacity, faster travels times and is future proof, so justifies the higher price tag. Each LUAS line has to share the streets with everything else making slower, less reliable and lower in capacity.
For example the two lines in construction at the moment will only remove only 2% of cars from our roads. We need a transport system that gets more people out of their cars.
Building a metro is also less disruptive that building more LUAS lines. The reaction from the city traders aside, Dublin can’t afford to be a building site for the next 15 years.
But if it was a choice between your LUAS scheme redeoin and nothing or even the new DART spur, extra LUAS lines has it as Dublin needs to get people out of their cars and soon.
Invest in the future I say.
Jer, I too noticed the posts on the platform11 message board on this subject and also felt the metro bashing was getting a bit frenzied.
I like platform11’s idea of a heavy rail presence at Dublin airport but I agree with you that this could not possibly replace the need for a Metro in Dublin.
Its not simply about getting people from the airport its about providing everyone who lives outside the DART and LUAS catchments areas with a frequent reliable public transport service adding a spur on to the DART just does not provide this.
On the cost side of things, nobody wants another LUAS type scenario (and this may help) but I think its just something we have to stomach and future generations will thank us like we thank CIE for having the foresight and determination to build the DART in the 80’s.
Can we have both? 😉
Talking of Henry, I would love to see Liffey Street pedestrianised – I don’t see why it couldn’t happen as soon as Abbey St becomes operational again.
It’s a great little street that has a huge footfall with a lot of people taking this route to get to Temple Bar and the Grafton St area. Pedestrians, like in so many other places in Dublin, are made use crushed inadequate footpaths even though the road hardly is used.
Even if the route was kept open but pedestrians had priority.
The centre of Dundalk has just been totally repaved so I’m not sure what you are talking about DundalkMan. Dundalk has cleaned up its act in recent years and while I can’t vouch for the people the streets are generally clean. Certainly cleaner than O’Connell St and its surrounding streets. 🙂
Someone was cleaning the millennium bridge this morning so maybe the DCC have read this thread. Mind you the guy was only using a scrapper to remove some stickers but it’s a start I suppose.
The DCC really have to understand that even new buildings and structures need constant maintenance from the word go to prevent them becoming run down and grubby. It’s also less costly in the long run.
I think the Jervis centre is a great example of how a building should be maintained. It constantly cleaned having little face-lifts here and there and it shows. It looks new compared to some of its Irish run contemporaries.
Looks like Brennan wants to push the Luas back until 2005 by going ahead with the bridge on stilts at the mad cow roundabout. Indo
I can understand that building a new bridge will delay the project if they waited for it to be finished before opening the line. But surely they can use the “old” bridge they have just built while the stilted version is being built! Therefore keeping the project on track so to speak.
Is it art?
Well art is “the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others†(Britannica) and creating the stencil takes skill and imagination, which creates an image that some people enjoy.
Graffiti has its artistic merits too but I prefer stencil graffiti because it’s subtler.
Taste I suppose!
I agree that defacing a permanent structure isn’t acceptable, especially tagging, but stencilling hoarding and other temporary structures is acceptable in my view. They can liven up a blank wall. On pavements, the stencilled work does not last very long therefore is not a problem.
I’ve seen a few anti-war/anti-globalisation stencils in Dublin and some are very good.
Stencils certainly beat tagging as a street art form.
I quite like the use of blood red in this one:
An anti-war stencil in Dublin.Just a reminder that the Parisians hated the Eiffel tower when it was first erected.
Maybe it’ll weather well and the colour difference won’t be as noticeable. Give it a hundred years 😉
Yes an excellent site and I didn’t know of its existence until I read this thread.
I remember now where I heard the “too narrow” argument it was a program RTE did on tunnels in the capital (discussed on this forum also). I think Duncan Stewart presented it.
So RTE are helping spread the propaganda.
I don’t know where I came across this as it was while ago when I did but as far as I understand it, the tunnel is to narrow for modern day rolling stock and that is one of the principal reasons for not using it. Widening a tunnel is as expensive as build ing a new on apparently.
However I’m sure its not beyond CIE to design around this problem. Some narrower or shorter carriages might work. Even reduce it to one track and timetable the shuttles so they don’t pass in the tunnel.
The DCC added anti skater devices to these benches so I think it was more to do with the homeless using the seats than anything else.
Is there even an alternative, like a skate park for the skaters? I did a quick search and it didn’t turn up much. If there is one I bet its not free. It must drive them to drink.
Shame about the benches, the area looks barren without them. I wonder do they even plan to plant the trees that were planned for this area or did the removal of the benches use up the rest of the budget?
