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I remember the derelict site the above building is on now — it was surrounded for years by palisade fencing wasn’t it?
Thats the one.
That site has been derelict for years. it used to depress me. i like thiat building too. But knock down Statoil please!
thats just ‘ara sure were grand’ in a nutshell.
Could we move away from this sneering type of argumentation? Graham hickey is not making any argument of the type “ara sure we’re grand” as he is asking for fairly large changes to Dublin : buildings 8 -10 stories with punctuated towers and features.
This is hardly the status quo – and although I would prefer taller heights – that particular sneer in uncalled for, and overplayed.
The Tipperary road entrance into Limerick is dreary and industrial – although I suppose it is hard to find any city with pretty outskirts these days,
Thats pie in the sky nonsense for most of rural Ireland ( served with a large dollop of sleveeness, I have to say). Most countries outside Ireland and England *may* have alternatives, but so what – that is their culture, retrofitting continental cafes onto an Irish village is the worst example of kitsch.
And most of what you say is available in Dublin: sure Temple Bar is the left bank with all kinds of galleries and wine tasting. Go there. The thread is about rural pub depopulation.
it is also rather option to mention the kids as in “More social events focussed on kids events would help” : not any kind of socializing I want to be involved in – it wont. Keep those kids away. thank you.
I am not so sure that we need ” Greater development of a diversity of non-GAA sporting activities would help.” in fact I imagine Irish people more kinds of sport than most other countries already, and then go to the pub.
Nobody is asking you to dig out the ham and cabbage, enjoy a zucchini all you want , but i take Richard’s point that “government policy is destroying the very fabric of our cities and countries.” with regard to rural pubs. (We could still have lots more Starbucks though !)
We can’t ape Italy because we are not Italy.
( I cant find it online but I read on a plane in America a vicious attack on modern Dublin in a glossy tourist magazine precisely because of the Wine bar attitude).
I wouldn’t mind a few starbucks, myself. If by socialising you mean – in the Irish fashion – talking to people rather than doing stuff with people then it has to be cafes, restaurants or pubs.
What is needed is greater diversification in the concept of socializing in Ireland
What, we need more wine bars? Or bowling alleys? People do go to the cinema frequently, and participate in sports.
In any case the loss of a rural pub is a loss of identity.
Unless we increase pub licences, which would keep these pubs intact. Ireland is over centralised – the number of pubs need to be regulated at the local level.
Obviously it is, in the post-medieval world, largely irrelevant to consider things like city charters and the presence of a cathedral in defining the modern city.
no it is not. The world is full of tiny cities that have city charters. the republic has 6 cities including Kilkenny, and who knows, we may create more in the future.
Here’s a small america city and capital
http://www.carson-city.nv.us/aboutcarson/demographics.htm
population 52,000.
Here is a small Irish one
population 24,000
( there are smaller cities than carson but I can only google so much)
Now get over it. Being a city means nothing in terms of size, or buildings. It is a legal definition. You need a city charter, and cities have Lord Mayors, not Mayors. So back to pictures of Limerick. I was enjoying this thread as I dont get to Limerick much.
Gosh, Irish provinciality is rampant on the city issue. For the record, a city has a city charter. That’s it. Used to have to have a cathedral too, so Armagh is a city I believe. Services have nothing to do with it – places like Clonmel and Kilarney may not have the services of mighty towns like Limerick, but Limerick is not New York nor London nor Los Angeles and has no comparable services.
If we stick to size then nothing but Cork(barely) and Dublin can be considered cities. London has a population of 10 million or so. it is patently ridiculous to describe towns of 15,000 as back wash villages while accepting the claims of Limerick at about 80,000.
in that case you are accepting that an urban centre can be a city at 0.8% of London’s population but not at .15%; which is absurd.
So cities are chartered as cities. And that’s it. Kilkenny is as valid a city as Limerick.
There are no prizes to be won here folks. Cities in America can have 2,000 people and less, it is just another type of urban incorporation.
” prime opportunity for Friends of Fianna Fail to make a killing on property in the immediate vicinity of the route.”
How would we know that people on the route are all Fianna Fail? The interconnector is a good idea on it’s own merit.
Those tight loops are very American, I think they are ok, although certainly large trucks and SUVs have to slow down quite quickly, and then accelerate to motorway speed.
The loops on that map seem to have enough distance to me, the thing is there should be a largish merging area to get up to speed after the loop – which seems to be there. Not all american loops have this, for instance the Los Gatos ramp to the notorious CA 17.
I wonder whether the M1 is going to be considered the road from the Border to Rosslare, inlcuding the m50 and M11.
Dude I was giving the facts. O’Connell street was built by Dublin Corporation and taxed from Dublin corporation’s revenue. It is not like Trinity College which was Elizabeth’s idea and financed from London, initially. These corporation members may have considered themselve loyal subjects of Empire but were born here, and Irish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_Streets_Commission
As if, we can just conjure up this magic, or pull it out of our arse, after 700 hundred years, making potato ridges
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Sleveen cant. A similar statement about an African nation would be flagged as racist.
I would argue that it is such forelock tugging ideologies that holds the coiuntry back – the attitude that we should leave the country as the “British” left it to us, for why would a Paddy be building stuff. The general opposition to taller buildings is part of that, for instance.
starbucks makes fine coffee. They are somewhat disliked in America for supposedly destroying older independents – which in fact didnt happen as the desire for cofee increased in per capita terms – Dublin could do with proper cafes like Starbucks, and less native cafes selling instant, and hang sambos.
So I will definitely.
