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Van Dijk Architects have planning info and graphics for this arena and the carnbeg development masterplan.
I know this has been approved but I cannot find any website or article mentioning the arena since. Does anyone have any leads? I know Flately is booked in 2009, so they’d better start working! This will be massive, one of Ireland’s best indoor facilities by far.
“Ireland’s Stonehenge” site to be preserved
Carnbeg development will see site of monument maintained.
By Anne Marie Eaton
A site of international archeological importance will not be interfered with if the planned arena and housing development at Carnbeg goes ahead.
The site on the Armagh Road is known as “Ireland’s Stonehenge”, and was once the location of a massive monument bigger than the Stonehenge which stands today in England.
County Council planners recommended that the site remain exempt from development when dealing with the major planning application for the housing and arena, the design of which has been inspired by Newgrange.
A report on the application stated, “It is important that the archeology on site is protected. A planning condition to secure a comprehensive archeological evaluation of the site prior to the commencement of the development will be included.
“In particular, I consider that it is very important that an area adjacent to the Armagh Road should not be interfered with in any way owing to the extent of known archeological sites located there.”
The archeological importance was included as one of the 43 conditions attached to the application being granted.
It states that an archeologist must be appointed to carry out a geophysical survey of the site, who will then submit a written report to the planning authority and Department of the Environment.
There can be no site preparation or construction work until this process has been completed and the condition once again re-iterates, “The area to the front of the development adjoining the Armagh Road shall be kept free from development, protected from damage during construction and shall be maintained in a proper and satisfactory manner.”
It has been recorded that the massive circular stone structure was still in existence at Carnbeg in 1748, but by 1907 it had vanished completely.
The exact site of Ireland’s Stonehenge was unknown until 1988, when an aerial photo from 18 years earlier positively identified Carnbeg as the site of the structure.
Last year an archeological survey of the site revealed the remains of an enormous triple ringed structure beneath the surface.
Green light for ?55m Carnbeg development
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Wednesday September 19 2007
Louth County Council has given the thumbs up to plans for a ?55million development at Carnbeg which includes a 9,000 seater arena with five bars, restaurants and cafes, almost 500 houses, an extension to the existing Park Inn hotel, a music school, children?s play facilities and playing fields.
Councillors voted by 24 to two in favour of a proposal to materially contravene the County Development Plan in order to allow planning permission for the ambitious development on a 96 acre site off the Armagh Road.
They heard at their monthly meeting on Monday that planners were recommending the granting of planning permission for the project, which will bring in over ?6million in development levies. A total of 43 conditions were attached, including detailed phasing of how the different elements of the development are to proceed.
Senior Planner Mr. Gerry Duffy said the three key issues of the proposed development were the events arena which would be a flagship development that would make a significant contribution to the development of Dundalk as a Gateway town.
The second element was the extension of the hotel by 150 bedrooms, a new spa facility and conversion of the nightclub to a children?s play area, while the third element was the residential development.
The project was a vote of confidence in Dundalk and its ability to develop tourism and attract visitors, said Mr. Duffy.
The housing element was a significant development, which was important if Dundalk is to reach the 60,000 population targetted in the National Spatial Strategy.
It fitted in with the Council?s objective to encourage development north of the Castletown River and there would be a significant financial contribution from development levies towards the construction of Western Infrastructure which will link the Armagh Road with the Newry Road.
There were significant traffic implications to the proposal, he conceded, but he felt these were addressed by the parking provision, which was to be provided on-site with 900 spaces, in association with public transport and coaches would play for events attracting 100 per cent capacity.
Regarding the provision of schools and retail services, he said that while it was a significant residential development, it was not of a critical level to require the provision of a school or neighbourhood centre.
The development would not support a school in itself and a site had been identified for the provision of a school in that area. One of the conditions attached to the planning, he pointed out, related to the phasing of the development which ties in housing with the provision of a school. This meant no more than 150 houses could be built until the Department of Education provides a school.
He believed that the project was ?a significant development which has the potential to make a significant contribution to Dundalk as a Gateway town. The developer has shown very strong commitment to the town of Dundalk which is to be welcomed.?
Cllr. Seamus Keelan proposed that they approve the material contravention of the Development Plan and this was seconded by Cllr. Mary Grehan.
Cllr. Ken O Heligh from Drogheda, wanted an amendment which would make the provision of a primary school one of the conditions of granting planning permission.
This, however, was deemed to be invalid .
Several councillors spoke in favour of the project, which they saw as crucial to the development of Dundalk as a Gateway town.
Cllr. Mary Grehan pointed out that Dundalk had lost out on numerous projects over the years. There was, she continued, very high unemployment rates in the town and she urged that they should look seriously at something which would provide jobs.
County Manager Mr. Conn Murray took the view that the proposal could make an excellent contribution for growing Dundalk as a Gateway town. While there were issues he felt those would be addressed by the conditions imposed by the planning department.
Only Cllrs Ken O Heligh and Ged Nash, voted against the material contravention of the Development Plan.
Sinn FÃ©in’s position on Carnbeg Development Material Contravention,
Published: 17 September, 2007
Sinn FÃ©in’s position on Carnbeg Development Material Contravention, September 2007.
Sinn FÃ©in’s 5 County Councillors are voting in support of the above Material Contravention at the September meeting of Louth County Council (17Ãº MeÃ¡n FÃ³mhair 2007). The development consists of nearly 500 homes, an extension to the existing hotel, arena, crÃ¨che, playing pitch and hockey and basketball courts at Carnbeg on the Armagh Road. There are 43 conditions attached to this contravention.
Outling the reasons for this position Sinn FÃ©in’s County Councillor for the area TomÃ¡s Sharkey stated;
“This decision has been a long time in the making for Sinn FÃ©in. Had the original proposals been before the Council meeting, I am sure that our position would be to oppose it. It was totally developer-led.
“But over the last 10 months, issues raised by Councillor Jim Loughran and myself as well as those raised by members of the public have been taken on board. I was the only elected representative to make a submission to the plans. Planning officials in Louth County Council have formulated a long list of 43 conditions to this planning permission. These conditions should be studied carefully by everybody.
Dundalk North West badly needs new roads infrastructure if this project is to go ahead. It is a condition that the developer pays more than €5m towards the construction of the western infrastructure road and that the arena will not operate until that infrastructure is in place. More than €6m would be collected in development levies for this project. These levies are for the Council to spend on improving sewage, drainage, roads, recreation and amenities.
The phasing aspects of the conditions, if adhered to should ensure a sensible approach to the building project. No new residents should be living under siege in a large building site. A major part of the building of the arena must be complete within a short period of time. Road bases should be in place before the construction of the houses.
In total, a €2m bond would be placed with the council to ensure that this does not become one of the many unfinished estates in Ireland.
Part V must be adhered to. Nearly 100 homes will be available to the Council for applicants on our social and affordable lists.
High block walls must be built along the backs of the homes. This, we hope will allay the fears of residents in the Annies.
However, there is an outstanding issue of the pedestrian/cyclepath leading onto the Annies. This country road is dangerous. It will increase the threat to life to proceed with the pedestrian access. We are calling for this to be deleted from the plans and for there to be no access onto the Annies.
A fully equipped outdoor children’s playground must be provided in tandem with the first 100 homes.
There will be a permanent taxi rank and bus shelters conditioned onto this site. There will be a crÃ¨che built in tandem with the homes; it cannot be left to the end and ignored as often happens elsewhere. The basketball and hockey courts are to be moved away from the homes, therefore reducing annoyance to residents but providing amenities for young people. The play areas are part of the open space, which will be taken in hand by the council and won’t be for exclusive use.
No more than 150 homes will be built before the Department of Education and Science has committed to the provision of education facilities in the area. This is a major condition. We, as a council are doing our best to ensure that there will not be an East Meath nightmare in this area. Minister Hanafin has recently called for these types of measures and Louth is now showing example from the front. I believe that this particular condition should receive positive attention in the national media. It sets the standard and also sets the agenda for the upcoming review of various development plans in the County.
I have been in contact with the Minister’s staff on the issue of schools and will continue to push for speedy education facilities.”
Councillor Jim Loughran also represents North Louth and he stated;
” I wish to repeat the fact that had the original proposal been for discussion today, I would have had an easy task in rejecting it. My self and Councillor Sharkey have put a lot of time and effort into scrutinising every aspect of the plans and had to wait a long time for the manager’s responses to submissions and for the conditions to be placed on the development.
“We wrote to more than 350 residents in the area surrounding this proposal, took numerous calls conveying a variety of views. We had a copy of the plans in the Sinn FÃ©in office in Dundalk for the public to view and comment on. We met numerous residents at all times of the day and night.
“Our responsibility is to ensure that the best possible design and facilities are included in this project. Headline stories of the arena are catchy and can create a certain buzz around an issue like this. But we have been making our decisions carefully. Last week in the Dundalk Democrat we were quoted as saying that our decision will be informed and knowledge based. Therefore, it is the 43 conditions here today that make the proposal worth considering.
“They are tight and, if adhered to would help to provide an arena which will help Dundalk stand against a downturn in the economy. They would bring a playground, pitch, courts and bus shelter to a new neighbourhood. All things we wish for areas like nearby Fatima in Dundalk.
“The conditions work towards the speedy delivery of the western infrastructure and the delivery of services to this are. I hope that sewage services will be another step closer for the residents in the Annies as a result of the conditions. There is an outstanding issue of the access for pedestrians and bikes onto the Annies which we want removed from the plans.”
17th September 2007
Location: Armagh Road, Carnbeg, Dundalk, Co Louth. Proposed development: indoor arena, bars/cafÃ©/restaurants, school of music, extension to hotel, play centre and crÃ¨che, 947 residential units with car-parking and site works. Applicant: Carnbeg Developments Ltd. Appellant(s): Gerry Duffy, Colin Murdoch, Nicholas G and Ann Marie Marmion, Anthony and Sandra O’Brien and Maria Rafferty.
everything in ireland takes flippin ages to get permission.
That’s an horrendous looking building. Not innovative at all. Typical of most Irish dabblings into modern architecture since the 1960s and will be an eyesore in years to come.
Won’t somebody ever realize that modern style geometric buildings have a shelf life of about 30 years? It’s never a good idea to put experimental designs in a city centre. Years from now, people will wonder what in the world were the architects thinking as over time these fads change and taste differs. What will happen is they will replace a 1960’s building (remind you that at the time they thought these buildings were great) with another ugly monster that our kids will be anxious to see torn down. It would be amazing to see the entire development done in a classical style. Why do architects shy from this?
This project is still on, with an article in the property section of “The Argus” local paper.
Does anyone know if there have been any objections to this?
It is different than the Drogheda plan in the fact that it is an indoor facility, and will have adjoining development (hotel, residential area). Indoor arenas can accommodate a much larger range of functions. If you want to see hockey games, indoor concerts, wrestling, car shows, dance shows (riverdance etc) and events like this you have to go to Dublin or Belfast if you live in this area.
There is a large population that can be served here, the approx 100k people in Louth, the tens of thousands in Armagh and Down, and also Cavan, Monaghan and Meath. It has a lot of potential. As I hear, local residents are quite pleased with the plans and are positive about the venture.
In my opinion, it would be one of the best, if not the best attribute Dundalk could get to promote the town as an attraction and further its progress to hallowed citydom.
Although the Odyssey is quite impressive, the same can’t be said (anymore) for the Dublin venues which are miles behind. They resemble seated warehouses when you’re inside and are a bit of an embarassment when we host international bands.
You also have to think of the 100,000+ people in Louth. Also Meath, Monaghan, Cavan and Down/Armagh are all closer to Dundalk than either capital, that’s a large market to draw from. The venues in Belfast/Dublin are more like an hour away from Dundalk. The idea, I think, is to also have an icehockey team (like the Belfast Giants) that will compete in the British league (which will get the thumbs up from all the cross-border committees up here) since there is no comparable Irish league.
I’m pretty sure it will go forward, along with any projects in Drogheda. Reason being there is no real tourism draw to Louth, even though it is very historical and has much scenery to offer. Meath has played the tourist card excellently and Louth is far behind in developing attractions. The project coinsides with new hotel developments in the area and I’m sure will be followed with refurbishments of many local historical sites, which are plentiful but mostly unknown to the public.
This article was published in the Argus newspaper in December 2005. The plans are supposedly going to be submitted this month (Jan). I was wondering did anyone have a sneak preview?