Angry Rebel
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@A-ha wrote:
I would imagine that some time in the future, the N25 from Cork to Midleton will be reclassified as a Motorway seen as much of it is of that standard anyway. It has been upgraded to three lanes in some parts and an alternative route is available (which is needed if a road wants to attain “M” status). What will the toll be to use the Fermoy Motorway….. it’s €5.20 for lorries, what is it for cars?
The County Council decided about 6 months ago (or thereabouts) that the Ballincollig bypass should have a limit of 120km/h. Obviously nothing has happened since then but it surely means that they will bump it up in the near future.
Not so sure about the Cork-Midleton road, the bit to Carrigtwohill is excellent but from there to Midleton is poor enough. Too many at grade junctions and crap surface.
@A-ha wrote:
Do you know when PC World and Currys are to open? I’ve been wanting to know for ages, but can’t find it on the net anywhere. :confused: Maybe he is on holidays, most people are this time of year. :rolleyes:
There is a planning notice in the Examiner today for the signage and ancillaries etc for both Currys and PC World in MP Retail Park.
I think you should try anyone from this page.
Don’t worry, you can get better.
@ a boyle wrote:
Well if you open it up in stages then surely your are defeating the purpose of building in one go? are we not building in stages ?
No…you don’t. Having a reduced number of very large contractors doing fewer schemes:
- brings economies of scale to the project which could reduce costs and build times
- allows for better coordination e.g the “new” Cashel bypass currently being torn up at the Cork end only shortly after being finished to tie in the new Cashel/Mitchelstown scheme.
Regarding the buses, airports and most of your other contributions, I’m going to mirror Thomond and just agree to disagree. I think you’re wrong on many of your ideas. You think you’re right. Not the end of the world.
In case you lose the plot completely and come after me, I’m not anti bus and I think you’re right on buses being a quick win and easy solution, especially as rail planning takes even longer than most major transport infrastructure. Cork needs and deserves a better bus system. What form that takes and how it’s delivered is the rub.
@a boyle wrote:
building houses is not the same as building roads. but roughly twice as many people are employed building things as is appropriate. And so the esri advised the government to ease of infrastructure till it has built all the houses it wants to .
What are you talking about?
@a boyle wrote:
The disruption to other traffic is minimal because roads have to have pedestrian crossings anyway.
Nonsense. There are more bus stops on a route than existing pedestrian crossings! Think about it.
@a boyle wrote:
Sorry but what could you do that is better?
I’m not saying I have all/any of the answers. I’m just being Irish and rubbishing part of yours 😉 . The Chicago model looks sensible. Cork having a compact city centre would make it work, and it avoids people getting on the number 2 to mahon and ending up lost on the Northside. My problem with your love for segregated lanes is we often don’t have the street width that countries where these things work do. Granted the streets you quote are wide, but the consequences for all other traffic would be dire. I’m not car centric, you must have a balance of both, but removing that much road space from narrow roads would be a disaster.
Do you?! Sorry, my mother always told me not to answer a questions with a question. However, whether the mistakes were made in other countries is exactly the point!!
1 – If no mistakes were made then clearly those countries really had their sh*t together and we should have spoken to and learnt from them.
2 – If the mistakes were made,I don’t care that France or Italy wasted their own money (or the EUs) but it means that people/agencies were out there to consult on lessons learned on similar projects.There’s no reason why it couldn’t be opened in stages! They could build sections sequentially and open as they go or build in parallel and allocate resources in decreasing proportion as they reach the centre.
ie Apply 30% resources to the 60 miles out of Dublin (the busiest and containing the busiest bottlenecks of Kildare/Monasterevin/Abbeyleix)
30% to the 60 miles out of Cork (next busiest and containing the bottlenecks of Fermoy, Mitchelstown and Cashel)
40% evenly across the quieter sections in the middle.Providing infrastructure is not the same thing as building houses, and in fact, given the high level of housing provided, there should be accelerated delivery of infrastructure to support these developments. This means roads, public transport, schools, medical facilities, public space and much more.
Dedicating central lanes is one of the more pointless ideas I’ve heard in a while. For a start, having an increased number of pedestrians in the centre of the road, who must cross lanes of traffic to access the central median to leave or enter buses is dangerous and disruptive to traffic flows. Furthermore, there is space to run buses in those lanes, but generally not enough to provide a safe and comfortable boarding area.
Re motorrways: 3 years of a delay in delivering a road of only 160 miles is laughable, and something you would not see in most other developed countries. You must wonder who was in charge of making sure we had the expertise, the knowledge and the gumption to put their hands up and say, “Hang on, we don’t know what we’re doing here, let’s talk to someone who’s done it before”.
@mhenness wrote:
The NRA website would contradict what you are saying that the motorway network is not moving at pace in the Cork area. According to the NRA the Fermoy bypass is under construction and is due to be completed ahead of schedule. The Cashel/Mitchelstown bypass is to start this year as is the Cullahill/Cashel bypass. It is very likely they will be finished ahead of schedule which is normal unless there are some legal issues. The Mitchelstown/Fermoy section in in planning as is the Portliaoise/Cullahill bypass. I think this covers the entire N8 route. Of course this level of activity might not mean full steam ahead for you?
The Fermoy bypass will open in October.
The Cashel/Mitchelstown piece has been underway for over a month and will run from the Cork side of the Cashel bypass to a few mile the Dublin side of Mitchelstown.
Can anyone explain to me why we do new roads in 20 and 30 and 40 km sections. Would it not be more economical to tender for, say 150km? This would be a contract of sufficient size to attract large international groups who may be able to price more competitively on a large contract but wouldn’t be interested in the bitty pieces currently on offer (unless as a minority partner in a joint venture led by an Irish firm).
Does that mean that the City Council will provide the service or that they think it’s a good idea and that someone else should provide it?
I don’t see the need for it to be honest. The No 2 bus goes along the same route, and will do so faster. A ferry/taxi is restricted to 6 knots from Blackrock Castle up to the city centre. (Unless the operator can do some very fancy footwork with the Port of Cork). [6 knots = 7 mph!]
I know of a commuter style one that held considerably more than 20 but on initial examination it has proved unviable. It has been parked for the moment.
Presumably as part of the work on the flyover, the lanes have been repainted on the Magic Roundabout and now make sense! They don’t disappear or merge anymore and should result in less crashes.
So simple….why couldn’t they have done it years ago?!
That is a new service called Skylink I believe, and it operates every half an hour. It is available to anyone who wants it. Can’t remember the prices offhand but will have a look for them.
I think sorting out public transport to Carrigaline and Ballincollig have to be pretty close to the top of the agenda. Two big (and getting bigger) towns, one of which as mentioned above is the most car dependant town in the country.
Arch i Tech Ur – Suspect you might be better off in another thread buddy.
@Thomond Park wrote:
The focus needs to be creating an impression for those who wish to enter the City and for projects in the City and not a project that keeps people out of the City.
If you keep those who don’t need to be in the city out of it (e.g through traffic) it creates a more pleasant environment for those who do enter the city! 😉
The viaduct is currently floodlit, but they did a very poor job of it. The scheme doesn’t show the viaduct in a good light (sorry, awful pun 😮 ) and one of the poles is actually very dangerous for oncoming drivers as the dazzle and glare it creates is significant.
@Micko wrote:
Anyone hear anything about the possible upgrade of the Cork Watergrasshill road from Dual Carriage way to Motorway between Glanmire and Watergrasshill ?
Haven’t heard anything about that, but did hear that the Ballincollig bypass was to be changed from 100km/h to 120 km/h. NIce to see the Council showing some common sense on speed limits.
