Andrew Duffy
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Andrew Duffy
ParticipantDid you read the way that the Pierse proposal was ruled out so the competition could be relaunched?
Councillors were reluctant to vote on either accepting or rejecting the Pierce Group plan.
Instead, a motion was passed that Pierce Group be excluded from further consideration in the competition based on height, use, scale and provision of parking, thus effectively ending the competition.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2003/0715/3985647500HM6CITYCOUNCIL.html
The use of a building’s height to rule against it, without even mentioning its architectural quality, is so deeply ingrained in this city’s psyche it’s maddening.
Andrew Duffy
Participanthttp://www.ddda.ie/cold_fusion/features.cfm?counter=47
There are some interesting questions here. Draw your own conclusions from these three in particular:
Question 90:
The adjacent site on Sir John Rogerson’s Quay that includes tower elements has planning permission. Should these proposals form part of the visual context of the Landmark Tower?Answer:
For the purposes of judging the competition competitors can choose to ignore proposals for neighbouring sites.Question 115:
Should the substantial 96 metre high Dunloe Ewart tower on the neighbouring site which has planning permission be included in the prescribed view?Answer:
No.Question 129:
In the last competition for a high-rise landmark in Dublin the regulations emphatically stated the maximum heights. This regulation was disregarded by the assessors in selecting the winning entry. Will you therefore please advise how the promoters will guarantee that such an occurrence will not be repeated in this competition.Answer:
All submissions which comply with the Competition Regulations will be assessed by the Jury in accordance with the provisions of the Regulations, paragraph 1.5Andrew Duffy
ParticipantYeah, I forgot to post about that. I’m not sure about the thing at the back; it destroys the righthand snug and removes access to the bar from the lefthand one. Still, it’s a much better way to get extra space than damaging the bar. Good to have my local back as well.
The first night was interesting, they had a jazz band outside and horse drawn carriages and the like. I had to run off so I didn’t get a chance to look inside.
Any idea when the restaurant is reopening?
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantI think I may lean the same way, Paul. Why not get better wages, weather and infrastructure somewhere else? Cheaper, better quality housing is the icing on the cake.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThere was a very big crane being built in O’Connell Street on Saturday, presumably to take the temporary light off the top, but it may have been used for cleaning it as well.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThey’re not filling it, they’re putting in a raisable floor for use as an outdoor stage. When it’s not in use it will be lowered below the water level. The water won’t be as deep though.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThere’s also a taller, newer grain silo behind it. A good way to gauge the height of the buildings in Guinness is by knowing that the Storehouse is 35M tall without its Gravity bar hat and about 42M with it. The rest of the buildings look about Central Bank/O’Connell Bridge House height, around 45M.
If you read about the Heuston Gateway on http://www.reflectingcity.com you can see plans for the area’s future. The first of those three tall buildings is a 19 storey apartment building on Military Road currently in planning.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantShannon has the longest, at 3200m, according to the site linked to above.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantOh, the N2 and N7 ones are “through statutory approval”, which I think means out of planning:
http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/NationalPrimaryRoadSchemesthroughStatutoryApprovalProcess/
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThe M50 2×3 lane upgrade and the N4 junction (look – a real interchange!) are in planning:
http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/MajorRoadSchemesinPlanning/
Incidentally, even though the second M50 toll bridge has yet to open, it is currently being used by traffic while the dividing wall is removed from the older bridge. This means the near-suicidal merge required when changing from N4 Eastbound to M50 Northbound will still be required; I thought the wall would have made a good speed seperation like you see in the USA or Australia.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantHere’s some of them, culled from various PDFs on the NRA’s website:
M50-N4

M50-N3

M50-Ballymun

Andrew Duffy
ParticipantAll of the 15, 8 and 4 storey blocks are being replaced, but the two storey houses (which are mostly privately owned) are being retained. You can look at the masterplan here:
http://www.brl.ieI was in Ballymun a few days ago, and the towers that have been repainted actually look quite good. They’re still getting knocked down though.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThe CIA reckon we have 16 airports with paved runways:
over 3,047 m: 1
2,438 to 3,047 m: 1
1,524 to 2,437 m: 4
914 to 1,523 m: 4
under 914 m: 6I think the first two are Dublin and Shannon, with Cork and Knock in the next group. Any others?
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantDoes anyone know the full story here? As far as a know (although it’s probably from the same source as my brother) only the Carrickmines interchange is the problem, not the road itself. This would suggest that the road can be built without the interchange, but sill allowing Dublin to be completely bypassed on the N1 (or E1 or whatever it’s officially called). However, I heard some wormy conservationist on the radio effectively saying that the road couldn’t be built because it determines the location of the interchange.
What’s going on?
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantPortugal, not Spain. Thanks for bringing up the living above the shop scheme – that really pissed me off! It was a great idea, but the price of the initial government sponsored offering was far too high. What are those three buildings doing now, anyway? They still look derelict, jut painted.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThat site is pretty bad. If you want to find out about buildings you can look at the planning lists published online at:
http://www.dublincity.ie/planning/main.htm
http://www.fingalcoco.ie/PUBLIC_ATION/planlist/index.htm
http://www.dlrcoco.ie/planning/planlist.htm
http://www.sdcc.ie/index.aspx?pageid=144Also, read the news section of this site; Paul picks up pretty much every interesting article published on the Internet.
Oh, the latest on the Southbank development with its 30 storey office tower is yet another time extension, this time until 7 July. The possibility of a national stadium on the Irish Glass Bottle site may be holding this up. I doubt a large office building would be a good idea now anyway.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantNelson’s Pillar was about 130 feet, not 130 metres. Imagine what blowing up a 130 metre high pillar would have done to O’Connell Street!
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThere are 12 storey apartment buildings planned for Smithfield (Haysite), Donaghmede (Grange Road) and Upper Sherrif Street; the 13 storey Smithfield Market has permission and a 14 storey tower on Barrow Street had its application withdrawn.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantActually, the 19 storey building in Ballymun was approved a few weeks ago.
Andrew Duffy
ParticipantJust for the record, there are buildings of 26, 15 and 13 stories approved, one of 30 stories that has been awaiting a planning decision for ages, a 19 storey in Ballymun and an 18 storey in Islandbridge awaiting approval, a 19 storey in Dun Laoghire that may be put to planning soon, and a few other 12-14 storey towers awaiting decisions. None of these are exactly skyscrapers, but it does show that the moratorium on high-rise buildings in the city has come to an end.
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