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Forgive my arrogance but i dont even feel the need to object to this one I am so confident it wont get through planning. 15 stories blocking a protected structure and overlooking a dozen or so homes and other apartments… did the developers really discuss this with the corporation before they decided to proceed with it?? One wonders. May 9 stories on the corner overlooking Victoria X would have made a nice statement were it well designed but hardly 15!!
On that point i have been trying to calaculate how many new houses and apartments are approximately under construction or in planning for Cork city and around the city? Any ideas?
I think the idea of a multi themed retail facility here is a very attractive proposition. first off its frontage is excellent, going by what your post seems to propose lexington. A frontage on Patricks St, Grand Parade and Oliver Plunkett st is pretty impressive. The mix of uses seems most attractive too and could very well satisfy those better who are disenchanted with faceless retail malls like Blanchardstown and the like. Having the English market, the proposed department store (Arnotts is it?) for th Capital cinema plus whatever else appeals to me far more than say whats planned for Academy street, though i understand it will serve its purpose well no doubt. i am concerned about 2 things however, how this development will affect the market during construction and whether its impact external and/or internal is negative. I would be dead oppose to anything that takes away from the market, one of Corks most important and unique attractions. Any massing that impacts the facades or interior of the market should be resisted.
Why is the plan for a super prison on Spike Island flawed?
I think the idea of large scale all encompassing institutions represent a poor option with regard to penal accountability, such institutions have little to no categorisation in terms of the prisoner arrangements. in many cases the man serving a month for traffic offences is mixed with the fellas serving 20 for manslaughter or murder. what about rehabilition?? Is such an arrangement truly of benefit to the offender? I would prefer to see smaller specialised institutions, i.e. minor crimes, severe etc etc should the man guilty of a minor offence not be offered an environment that positively works to see his restoration into society as a productive member?
my family at one stage sought to adopt a young boy (12 at the time) but which ultimately failed given numerous legal circumstances. His mother died at an early age, his father was an alcoholic and cared not if at all for the condition of his son whom he would often beat in a drunken rage. His sisters were in foster care. We did our best to offer him alternative paths, getting him jobs, summer work, funding for schooling but because we had no legal guardianship often he would disappear for weeks, months on end – in which time he associated with the wrong crowds. As the years went by, this innately good hearted young fella, was arrested for snatching a pickpocketing offence, an improper offence but a minor in comparison. Now the law is the law, I accept that but he was sent to Spike at 18 and it did him no world of good. I wont bore you the ins and outs but at 21 he was found dead in his flat after O.D.’ing. im not saying this was the institutions fault, you may argue it was an inevitability of some sorts, but i can assure you, were a proper insitution dealing with fellas like himself put in place and he may have had a better shot. I’m skipping so many details i know my argument sounds flawed itself but trust me that i know the details.
i just dont see Superprisons as the way to go.
Pity about Spike,
Would have been nicer to see it contribute rather the detract from the economy’s resources, the proposed ‘Alcatraz’ style attraction would have been of far greater benefit. the Super Prison idea is a carelessly flawed one.
With the most sincere intentions Aha, i would say ‘stop right there’. I understand what you are saying but think it may be lost in a hole you may not want to dig in. 😉
The Blackpool project seems suitable for the area. I am originally from near Assumption Road and I have fond memories of the place. It has been depressing to see the decay that has been onset along the Watercourse rd over the years. The whole suburb seems to have changed and when i return to visit I often fail to recognise much of it. I am glad however that the old centre of Blackpool has been carefull timecapusled, but not in a negative sense. Its a credit to those involved in the suburbs regeneration have allowed the place develop on such a large scale but without injuring or intruding on the old areas. I also love what theyve done on the old Blackpool flats, I think RESPONSE! were behind this with the corporation and murnane and O’Shea builders. The flats have been wonderfuully redeveloped for new elderly housing and social uses. Well done to all involved!
Though i like the Blackpool plans, I hope the developers who i understand will be seeking to develop Dennehys Cross will offer the area a very considerate approach. The housing in the area must be respected. I have no problem with a redevelopment of the sites involved, frankly i think the existing warehousing and worksheds and showrooms are an eyesore but i would ask the developers to offer a decent fitting design. I dont oppose their 7 floors plan near Top car, the height is clearly a product of trends in the area and that is fine along this routeway but anything over 4 or 5 floors fronting Dennehys cross in my opinion would represent a gross overdevelopment. I await the plans anxiously,.
I’ve been very happy to see a number of houses, buildings around Cork are being carefully restored and reformed to their old glory. the corner house at North Main st and Paradise Place is a greate example and some of the buildings along washington street west. They have had those awful awful paint coatings stripped, the original brick work reexposed and refurbished. Such work gives an important look back at the past and how this buildings were intended to be seen and they are so much more beautiful for their efforts. Careful attention has been applied to shopfronts and such with many classical wooden frames being delicately restored.
The hotel plan looks interesting, i only hope it materialises well in the flesh.
Any news of the Dennehys cross plans yet? i await them anxiously.
I also have taken an interest in the new regional hospital cardiac extension. i saw the photos of it earlier in this forum – but when does it start??
And i dont know if anyone else has been following the plan by Manorpark Homes to redevelop Mr Haugheys estate in Kinsealy, Dublin but the planning authority criticised the quality of the projects design. what does that mean for Horgans Qy? Will Manorpark produce muck or take heed of the councils request that any application for the site must be of agood architecture level??
Obviously developing in the docklands is something of a status coup for development companies operating in Cork but what i’m curious about is which development company is going to be the one the steps forward and develops THE ‘jawdropper’ the one that stands out above all others. One would think one of the cork boys would be the one willing to put the jewel in the crown of its own backyard.
I think the idea of Ryanair operating from the old terminal would be a good idea and great for the city but am i the only one concerned at how this may impact on the new terminal and the considerable investment that has been made on it??
as for Wilton, as a nearby resident i would have some concerns at how any expansion would impact on what is already one of the most heavily trafficked regions of the city. Also with mahonpoint and the new shopping centre in Ballincolllig I would think there is a significant presence of new centres in the south region. Of course it would be handy for me to pop up to every morning but i’m trying to think of it in a holistic sense.
Thank you also for the photographs of the regional hospital. I had not seen these yet. Have you any idea when construction will begin?
Am i wrong in saying that the gallery was named in honour of Mr Glucksman because of the donation made on his behalf to the university to assist in the completion of the second phase of the O’Rahilly building. The funding for the gallery was made from the universitys own resources, a grant from the dept of Education and Arts, Culture and the Islands, plus other sources. ?
The next few weeks and months look set to bring some very interesting developments and additions to the Cork architectural scene so I’m looking forward very much to seeing them evolve. Academy Street isn’t too far away with a lodgement imminent – plus plans to link the retail centres at Paul Street and Cornmarket Street look set to again be on the cards. You may remember a few months back I indicated that Paul Street SC was in line for a complete overhaul – well, from what I’ve heard since I returned, that indeed looks set to be true. As far as I know, and I am open to correction on this, 2008 looks set to be the completion date for the new linked and refurbished complexes in their entirety for Cornmarket, Paul and Academy Streets.
Yes i agree that this (Academy St) will be an “interesting” development as you put it, most certainly it could provide a very important element to the city centre but what i’ll be watching for in particular is the impact such a large building will have on such an important and historic quarter of our city. this huge building seems to be laced with and touching important architectural buildings like the steps outside that corner bar on Pana and is near the Crawford. Also the view from Emmett Place will be very visible and I am concerned that a poor design will adversely affect this area. I am counting heavily on a strong and good design is submitted. also the old Cork Examiner offices along Academy street are very unique and historic too, a little ugly, but the detail seems rare and important. The building such do its best to compliment them.
as for the links? How exactly to the intendto link Academy street with Paul Street and Cornmarket street and Northmain street shopping centres??? Underground?? I cant imagine any over street links. This would be disastrous for the street scapes. Also if its underground especially from Paul street to Academy Street how could such a sensitive street area be affected? I would presume the link would go under Pauls Lane, maybe under Matthews centre (my son tells me they are seeking to redevelop soon? any truth in this?) and across to Academy Street? If this is the case this may explain why the corporation are hesitating to fix the awful road works damage that has plagued Half Moon Street for years. It was a lovely new pedestrian area and is now ripped up with cheap tarmac filling and potholes.
I see Mick Murphy wasted no time in getting an objection in on the Frinilla building next to Top Motors.
i’ll be honest with you, and I’m not living so far away, i’ve no problem really with this building, its not stunning by any means but its not a bad design. I wont be putting on an objection to this after all this road is starting to suit these buildings and not with any great loss. However you can be darn sure if another student accommodation buildings like that lego brick along Victoria Cross was ever again proposed the council can have my twenty euros because that standard is not acceptable in this area or in any area at all. Also i would like to think that the plans for Dennehys garage at the crossroads – does anyone know who is behind that? – should be more befitting of the height of other buildings in this area. Maybe it could be higher facing the health board building but certainly closer to the junction it should be no more than three possibly four floors – that would depend on how well it looks. It would be nice for that development to be a gateway into the Victoria Cross area and the rest of the city and provide a nice border to the residential areas along Wilton road and Model Farm Road which should be preserved in their plesant suburban state. I would be most heartfelt about that.
That Centrepoint building seems to me like a wave or an olympic torch perhaps??? i know the site and i am perplexed as to how they intend to construct such a complicated looking building on such a tiny plot. I read somewhere, here?, that it hung over the pathways. I would think more photographs are needed to understand how the building looks from the quayside and how it affects the other buildings in the area.July 14, 2005 at 3:46 am in reply to: What is the most attractive bridge over the Liffey? #755847
Always a traditionalist i was ready to vote Queen Meave but on my trip up to the capital last monday I came across the new James Joyce bridge on my way to Blackhall. What a wonderful addition to the river and the city. Well done!
well said Mark.
Could somebody please explain something to me because i’m not sure i’m up to date on something, why was it necessary to issue a new webpage when the other state of cork webpage was perfectly fine? I dont need to remind you how popular and important it has become as a resource. one of the things that attracted so many first time users to the archiseek.com website as a whole was its extensive depth and detail. Days on end could be spent exploring it and each day one could find something new and wonderful. If the culprit(s?) have been addressed shouldnt we continue on with the good work as it was? Why should the comments of 1 or 2 and the outrageously unfair and incorrect paper articles disbenefit the rest of us and the website? I myself am not a solicitor (thats my sons job) and when i discussed this issue with him he said the wise thing for the paper to do was to issue a well seen apology to the website. whatever of it i dont know it’s not got to do with me but I do feel the loss of the other thread will disbenefit us.
On that note I am most pleased to hear some progress is being made for the music school. The design i suppose represents that the term of landmark building does not mean highrise. I do think however it looks far more intriguing by nightime. The use of light seems most interesting and the materials used in the buildings design seems to allow a rich tapestry of effects under nightime lights which gives the building much more character.
just managed to read that article.
I’m 58 years old and i’ve been ready de paper for as long as I can remember. I live in Bishopstown as well as fate would have it. and quite genuinely i’ve never read such a cheapshot article. I’m surprised that it has come from a broadsheet like the Cork Examiner.
Ive seen the comments on the forum and most certainly i dont always agree with them. I was supporter of some objections like the one at Dennehys cross Postoffice. But I’ve never seen such a one sided and insulting article not only to the users but the whole site. Its nothing more than an unwarranted attck. Also reading how corksouthwest supporters have been treated on this forum when they have issued their opposition to comments I have always found them to be treated with nothing more than respect. And I’m an occassional supporter of the sustainable group.
I will be writing a letter to the editor please God soon.
My understanding is that the 12.9m sculpture, which was successful on appeal, is now due to be erected for September. I don’t usually have much opinion on these things but I was most disappointed with the behaviour of the appelant on this occassion.
Here’s a picture of this building prior to recent renovation. I believe from late 2003.
I think lex may have exagerated the condition it was in previously:
the building was painted until early 98 when it was stripped to brickwork again prbably the reason for many of its odd colorations. Musterd and a series of dastardly other colors did adorn this structure over the years. I have been looking at it every day for the last 23 years since i moved home from the states.