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Its a shame this proposal wasnt set for somwhere like the docklands. It would probably be a great deal more suited to such a location.
I attended the public presentation of the Bishopstown development plan submissions session at Wilton shopping centre over the week. My main point to them was, as a resident, Ive no real problems with areas along the Victoria Cross Road been suitably redeveloped. As it is theres a pattern emerging and much of what these new buildings are replacing are horrible old industrial sites anyway. Ive lost faith in the logic or reasoning of these resident groups that supposedly represent my areas interest. So i put it to them straight, I’m not going to fight for something thats needed. All i want from the corporation is the promise to protect the established areas like Model Farm Road and Wilton Road and i would like to see the formation of a new heart to the area. There really is none at the moment and i would like to see a pedestrian friendly town centre with a nice selection of shops, things like a nice small hotel or a theatre and more nicely cared for parks. Something like that. Theres too muc dependency on cars in the area. Id like to see some sort of rail system or a dedicated bus route (preferably an ecofriendly bus service). The area should be safe and easy for elderly and children a like.
@phil wrote:
I have always liked that black and white flooring which is in many of the main stations around the country. As far as I know it is in
Limerick, Kent Station Cork, Pearse, Heuston and Galway. Have not been to Connolly in a while and cannot remember if it was there aswell but it is a pity to hear the new flooring is of poor quality. I hope it is not replaced in the stations it is still in.I have to agree with you there. The black and white tiling has a lovely sense of character about it. The problem is time has taken its toll on their integrity.
@Sue wrote:
Give the man’s family a chance to bury him before you start deconstructing his character. What the hell happened to the noble Irish tradition of not speaking ill of the dead while their body was above ground?:mad:
Shame
I also have to agree. As much as our built environment is important and i by no means applaud Mr Gallaghers public record I think some people seem to level the value of a building to that of a human life. All these big nice and ultimately meaningless self righteous arguments can be made on how its justified but a little respect for his family at the very least wouldnt go astray. There will be time for dissection later.
@daniel_7 wrote:
i recently heard again that the city council is pushing for an events centre to be built at horgans quay and i was just wondering does anyone know why they are pushing for this site when they have much better options open to them.there is mahon point where they might be holding out for payments due to them if it is not built there which is fair enough but there is also the showgrounds and curraheen which are much better sites for access purposes and for the good of the development for the city aswell.when this centre is to be built it really has to have a capacity of at least 6000 – 10000 and it doesnt look like the city councils choosen site can accomodate this so why are they still pushing it?this really has to be acted on as soon as possible as there is talk of limerick building such a centre aswell and i really think cork has to get there first and curraheen seems to be the best option for the city where the builders are offering to build the centre in exchange for the showgrounds land which they would then use to kick start the docklands regeneration and would also probably come to an agreement with the gaa for the redevelopment of pairc ui coimh which otherwise doesnt look like happening and this would also be a big benefit to the city as it is needed aswell.
Seems to me the corporation are so blinded by the idea of an Odyssey, Belfast type venue with access to the railway station they are foregoing the most ideally suited site at the western end of the Showgrounds. There is ample greenspace in the rest of the showgrounds for a park area if thats the worry. Besides if the corporation carry through their promise of the Water Street bridge there should be no worry about access to an event centre at the showgrounds. Knowing Cork and i love the city dearly, all the hymning and hawing will lead to Limerick getting first mover advantage and yet again Cork will be left in the dust. This is a subject they really cant afford to be delaying on. Mahon point and Curraheen would be terrible locations.
@Thomond Park wrote:
Not undeserved
I agree with Thomond Park. Its not about the shop names or number of big brand generics. Its about the ambience of the place, the activity, pedestrian space and accessibility. i think the title was deserved. Sometimes i find Grafton Street cluttered and Henry Street very bland, with the exception of a few nice buildings like Roches. But i’m sure they will improve.
On another subject our beloved Minister for Transport apparently says a Dublin Docklands railway station will be up and running by 2007. Now this isnt a knock at Dublin at all at all but more an observation on our politicians but didnt Minister Cullen promise to get Horgans Quay and Kent Station rolling at the start of last year and didnt his predecessor promise a debt free Cork airport? Did the current Minister intervene with the DAA decided to knock off airbridges at Cork airport from 4 to 1?? Not that I remember. No such cutbacks at the new terminal in Dublin which will cost 1.2 billion euros. Its amazing how Mr Cullens second rate attitude to Cork astounds me. Why must we put up with second rate?? Horgans Quay, our airbridges and promises on Cork airport debt are overdue!
@lexington wrote:
I think part of the purpose of the Good Shepherds design is not to overwhelm or detract from the historic convent buildings. In this sense, the design is actually a most considered design – it recognises its relation to the George Ashlin buildings and rather than make a bold, loud statement which tries to compete with the convent structures, it takes a more humble, simplistic note while utilising little touches here and there to assert its own innovation.
Point taken.
On a side note i find it rather positive to hear the Patricks quay office development is to go ahead even without the Revenue as tenants. i think it will add rather nicely to teh quayside. A nice contemporary addition. Any news on the Metropole plans?
I’m glad you have resolved your exchange however i feel the articulation of both your points are disappointing and you have done neither yourselves nor the forums any justice.
@kite wrote:
The views you suggest would be a factor. The design looks great to me..so much better than the albeit acceptable design of Friniallas proposal for Dennehy’s Cross. Are the same architects involved in both?
I dont know if I would say that. I personally feel the Dennehys Cross design looks very well. Its sharp angular profile looks most well, very defined. The Sherphers convent look seems very slight. I would have reservations about the wooden finish. If its a case of the timber greying or discolouring in the most awful manner like that thing next to Dunnes in Bishopstown i would stress for some sort of condition to maintain its upkeep.
I must say I’m delighted at the prospect of the miserable Metropole Hotel block is being replaced. I can only hope the replacement is a far sight more attractive than the current odious brick. As for the rest of the quay i know those surface car parks you are talking about Saucyjack and i agree they have to potential to provide something very pleasant. Hopefully soon we wont have to gaze upon the dirty grey backs of aging buildings on McCurtain Street from Patricks street.
As for Ballincollig shopping centre. I took my first visit there earlier today and on my trip spent most of my time in traffic trying to get to it. As a community shopping facility i think it works quite fine as I dont think it was meant to compete with somewhere like Mahonpoint but rather to serve the quickly emerging population around it. Ballincollig needed something like that. All the same theres nothing there that would make me want to choose travelling there over a trip to Wilton or town which are both closer to me and dont involve endless waits in traffic queus.
Last weekend I visit Mahonpoint there as well I had to endured endless traffic lines. However once inside i have to say I’ve growing slowly warm to the place, sure it is very Americanized and very streamlined but its wide, spacious and its clear a lot of attention has gone into fitting the interior (and may not so much the exterior). I took my first trip to the cinema in about 2 years at the cinema complex there and must say it is a fine job but perhaps lacks the charm of those institutions at the Savoy or at Winthrop street or even the Capital cinema in its earlier days.@BTH wrote:
Western Red Cedar, European Larch, Iroko, Oak – Teak to a lesser extent – these are the timbers that can and should be left untreated externally. They may look a bit tatty after a couple of years but given a couple more they get the intended silvery grey weathered effect which I think looks fantastic – especially when combined with brick or stone. Varnishing or staining any of these is a huge mistake as it is the varnish that weathers badly and needs constant maintenance – not the timber.
The Ranelagh School, The Timber Building and the Civic Offices in Tullamore are all great examples of well detailed untreated timber. I fully expect that in 5 years time the Glucksman will look just as well.I understand that but the wood finish on those flats i think jungle mentioned in Bishopstown have gone an ugly ugly grey and look quite horrible. Shouldnt the corporation impose conditions on this type of development demanding their up keep? Surely the planners are educated enough to know the various timber types and which will need maintenance and those which will not. I wish i had a photograph to prove the point.
lexington wrote:Housing AwardHighly-Commended
Project: Student Housing, Victoria Cross, Cork
Architects: DerekTynan Associates, Dublin
Contractor: Bowen Construction Ltd, Cork
The repetitive and cellular nature of student housing has not been allowed, in this instance, to give rise to a bland and boring project. The “zig-zag†building creates a dynamic series of spaces on a beautiful site between two rivers. The varying building height culminates in a fitting dramatic cantilever at the apex of the site. We admired the rigorous detailing of the exterior wall plane]
Gobsmacked isnt the word!!! ‘Repetitive’, ‘cellular’ not allowed? are we looking at the same building??!!
@lexington wrote:
From the CCC’s perspective, the height cap stands to see them lose out on development contribution fees as projects are relocated elsewhere – i.e. CorkCoCo jurisdiction. Indeed, a certain level of the market will always seek that apartment along the Victoria Cross Road – but the market catchment is substantially reduced.
A case of Cork Corporation’s loss is the County Council’s gain. Given that a lot of suburban periphery is governed by the county council, isnt it quite possible that will be see no real low-rise style suburb as such?? in fact, it seems to me it could make the city look very disproportionate and at the county councils gain.
@lexington wrote:
The implications of the ban are far more extensive than people realise. First, off, the City Council will have to draw up and assess where suburbs logically begin and end – this in itself automatically creates a clear divide among regions and residents of the city at large. Second, it creates exclusionary isolationalism which is not sustainable and in direct conflict with the certain sections of the Planning & Development Act 2000. Third, it is a rich-man’s motion – for so-called champions of the ‘working class’, their representatives have really let them down, that includes Sinn Fein, the Labour Party, the Socialist Party and the likes of Dave McCarthy et al. The preception that investment will continue as is, unaffected by the ban, is naive. As house prices increase, those on the lower end of the wage bracket will be forced to seek home elsewhere, even if they have lived in areas like Bishopstown all their lives. Consequently, the demand will force the accelerated consumption of green areas in and around the city as development is shifted to cater for new homes and more sustainable prices. Fourth, what happens as the city develops and suburban boundaries are reassessed? Will the entire city by subject to sprawling blcoks of monotonous 2 and 3 storey homes and apartment blocks? Such a ban cannot last in the interests of sustainability. The policy is the most ill conceived, self centred policy considered at the hands of CCC in many years and shows complete disregard for the broader public. And that’s not scare-mongering, I can do that too, but this is fact. Councillor McCarthy’s argument that the new residential developments equate to those being demolished in the likes of Togher and Blackpool is fecious – the standard and quality of those flats don’t even compare to the issue proposals. And even the social/affordable housing redeveloped at the former Blackpool flats extends to 6-storeys, commonly regarded as a superb example of s/a development.
Maybe i’m missing something here, but just a few points…and first let me say that i neither condone nor agree with the motion but…
a. arent housing prices growing as it is anyway? Why is such a ban a neccessary catalyst for increasing house prices?
b. some of the prices on these apartments as it is are outrageous – 325000 for a 2 bedroom apartment? Thats almost as much as a house in some places.
c. if a development is in breach of a development plan, don’t the appeals board usual refer to a local authority’s development plan concerning patterns of development in its deliberation?
But that said I agree that it is a stupid motion.
@lexington wrote:
😎 Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely have been awarded a grant by ABP on their plans to develop 22 no. residential units comprising of 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses at Grianbru, Dennehy’s Cross. The project, which will range between 2 and 4-storeys, also includes 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit with 33 basement car-parking spaces. The project, designed by Kiosk Architects, was approved by the Bord following an initial refusal recommendation by the Planning Inspector.
Aerial View (S to N) of the Grianbru site/Dennehy’s Cross – outlined in red.While i must say i like the plan for Dennehy’s Garage…I am not pleased about the appeal decision for the former Post Offic and house at Grianbru. Disappointing for me personally. I think it borders too close to housing in the area and that the student accommodation to the rear was sufficiently close. I dont really have a problem with most other development down along the Victoria Cross road that direction. I just hope this block appears better in life than what i’ve seen of it.
The Blarney Gold course hotel seems very underwhelming,
More ridiculous pishposh in the paper today about Dennehys cross. If it werent for the obituraries…
Its unfortunate to hear about the closure of Hickeys. Its always saddening to hear about a well established local business being put up against the wall. i only hope whatever the future holds for its staff, it is a positive one. And perhaps a successful redevelopment of the maylor street premises will allow for the creation of new indigenous enterprise and employment.
I’ll be honest, its not what I was expecting. I live nearby and was quite frankly dreading the prospect of this development. As a standalone proposal it looks quite pleasant but i would be concerned at how it looks when viewed from the crossroads. A part of me is undecided on this but i don’t see this proposal detracting significantly from our area. Personally i’m a little more concerned at how the other proposal for the car showrooms will look as it is deeper in the bosom of some very sensitive homes. Cleary a 5 storey type building in this location would be utterly unsuited no matter how good the design is. I’ll await anxiously and will need a lot of convincing. But for the time being, i suppose I’m pleasantly surprised to some extent and see how this could be a valuable rather than negative addition to the area. Owner occupiers will be important to tag though.
Very disappointed in this design. I don’t approve of this being constructed. At the very least I would not settle for anything over 9 floors at this site, even still the existing Crows Nest bar is a pleasant building as it is and don’t see why it should be compromised. I am confident that this proposal will not meet planning approval in its current form. Something mindaltering and amazing would really be needed to convince me of this development.
I think were i too drink from the Seine i may as well admit myself to the nearest hospital in expectancy!!
Its been a while since I’ve heard any talk on the event centre? has anyone any news on it?? I would have thought following the Marquee event this summer, of all those encouraged by the success of the arrangement, McCarthy Developers would be the most interested in trying to get a permanent fixture off the ground. the Showgrounds seemed like an ideal location to me.
