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- AndrewP wrote:[quote=”Why the hell should the metro north continue through Ranelagh to Bray ? just to add to the DART & LUAS is it? not quite enough choice for the spoilt southsiders then ?
Has anyone else detected a note of northside discrimination in the negative rumblings about the metro? From the start, various commentators have been raising eyebrows and asking why we need a rail service to foreign-sounding places like Lissenhall.
The only reason this is going ahead is because it was sold as an airport link, thereby allowing tourists to get straight to Grafton street without having to see the sprawling slums of DNS. If anyone proposed spending that much money on something as frivolous as letting northsiders get in and out of town they wouldn’t have had a hope. And the only reason it’s going on out to Swords is because Fingal CC fought tooth and nail for it. More often than not, it’s still referred to as the airport metro in the media, the Times being the most reluctant to accept its ultimate destination.
Of course this is nothing new. The public transport experience on the southside has been a much happier one for a long time. The DART line there is nearly twice as long, running deep into another county while pretty much all of north county Dublin is left to cram into infrequent commuter trains. Luas is exclusively a southside commuter service. Out of 36 stops (correct me if I’m wrong) , a grand total of seven are on the northside, all of them in the city centre and useful only to tourists and lazy criminals going to court.[/QUOTE”]you must also bear in mind that the population of the southside is way higher. The DART runs to the entire built up extent of North Dublin, and beyond to Malahide, the same as on the southside. I don’t know where these northside slums between the Airport and Town are. Whitehall and Drumcondra? Hardly. Of course Metro North should be built as should the Finglas Luas. However it’s the northsiders that vote FF in higher numbers and it’s the northsiders who provided us with Bertie Ahern and Charlie Haughey. Call it karma if you like.
It’s very strange to read in the IT one day that Swords is to grow to 100,000 people in the next 20 years, and the next day that it doesn’t merit a rail line. I think Frank is wrong. This has to be built. And the interconnector. I fail to understand his logic whereby he trumpets the urban design benefits of Line BX with absolutely no reference to it’s uselessness in tackling congestion or the huge costs (financial and disruption) yet questions a line which will link up with 2 existing LUAS lines and the Maynooth line, and serve a town that’s bigger than Galway as well as the Airport.
@StephenC wrote:
Aaaah OF course!
stands for Oh Fuck which is what you hear most when someone who’s just missed one sees the timetable
there was an article today in IMoS all about this, and the court cases that will inevitably ensue after the DDDA board meeting tomorrow.
More importantly Archiseek gets a mention! Hurray!
“In the immediate aftermath of the controversy (original decision) Archiseek.com, a popular online resource for architects, canvassed competition entrants and found six that had not been contacted by the auditors”
Not exactly a riveting mention, but a mention nonetheless. Tomorrow should bring interesting news though. Maybe the title of this thread should then be changed to “War? – U2 Tower to be Taller”
😮 The true cost to the city however is the sad loss of Fibber Magees’ beer garden, once the biggest and rockingest outdoor drinking spot in town. So many memories….:(
ah the block at the bottom? I think they’re referred to as the three ugly sisters! They were meant to go with the redevelopment of the axis from Exchequer Street to Dublin Castle. Perhaps it’;s been forgotten about
Much higher – 20-30 storeys. They’ll probably go for 35, the IGS will go bananas coz the view from the jacks window in TCDs 1937 Reading room will be compromised, while Norris is sittin there doin the Crosaire, or some such piffle, and a 25 storey building will go up. Finally the potential for a high density / high rise cluster around Tara Street will be realised. Pity we’ll never get one at Pearse, where the future transportation offer will be far greater…
Gonna miss Hawkins and Apollo though. Their sheer brutal ugliness made so many other horrific blocks seem “not so bad”
Like stacking their caravans?
I kid, but i disagree. It’d be nice to think that a functioning, clean, halting site could be provided in this area, but all you would hear would be a collective cry of “there goes the neighbourhood” echoing up the Liffey.
I’d agree that GCD looks to be better. There’s already 2 medium rises breaking the monotony on the southside compared to the muck in the IFSC
All I’ll say is if we were rich enough to build so much shite we were rich enough to build higher quality stuff. To accept the built environemtn created by the boom without question smacks of Irish self deprecating “sure it’s grand, we’re only Ireland” ballsology. The Docks is a monument to this attitude. It’s better than what it was, but totally useless compared to what it should have been. It’s not “moaning”, it’s striving for a better country…
why is he standing on the EU flag? Is it a subliminal message from above to reject the Constitution?
I think it looks fantastically kitsch and it serves as a reminder that although massive changes have occurred in Irish society, manifested significantly in the built environment, nowhere more dramatically than this part of Dublin, this will always be a nation with a powerful Catholic legacy. I prefer this to a phone kiosk, uber-bin, or metropole…
Marino is the other great 1930’s estate, built in the same design. Sorry I don’t seem to be able to post a map or satellite link. I’ve heard 2 reasons for the Celtic Cross design. The first is to do with the rise of Nationalism at this time and the desire to promote Ireland as a country post independence. The second is to commemorate the Eucharistic Congress which happened in Dublin in the 30’s.
this thread has gone way past it’s sell by date ~(a bit like 1970’s transport planning philosophy). We’re both rehashing the same arguments. Once again you quote an employee of the motorway builders to back up your argument. Once again, someone will point out the flimsiness of it all. And we’re back to square one. And not an inch of railway has been laid in the meantime, which just shows how damn backward this society really is.
Just to clarify, Sue i am not an “eco-warrior”. I’m a qualified town planner and a practising transportation planner.
vincent don’t waste your time engaging with the asphalt-terrorists like Sue. We’ve all learned to ignore her and her promotion of the automobile over culture, history, heritage and the environment.
Alex, that would be a road safety engineering matter, not a planning one. If the DCC engineer failed to comment on the access arrnagements when consulted, a planner is unlikely to in his/her decision. Should have been spotted by someone though, from either profession. Also it’s not entirely beyond the realms of fantasy that the architect could have seen it?
